The Gog Magog War

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November 2, 2015 at 10:53 am#804402
Miia
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November 2, 2015 at 10:54 am#804403
Proclaimer
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t8, I just can’t see what significance the nation of Israel has to do with anything today, (I constantly see the mention of Israel). They are a country like any other. Jerusalem and Mount Zion are now heavenly? (Hebrews 12, and Galatians 4, etc).
When Jesus returns, he will rule from here. In the meantime, rulers, authorities, and cosmic powers over this present darkness desire to rule from here. And who would doubt that when you see the unrest in this area. Even in Islamic prophecy, the Mahdi is said to rule from Jerusalem and the Dome of the Rock in particular.
Zechariah 12:3
On that day I will make Jerusalem a heavy stone for all the peoples. All who lift it will surely hurt themselves. And all the nations of the earth will gather against it.
Surely, God has not forgotten the significance of Israel and Jerusalem. Nor has Jesus. He will rule from here after all.
Interesting fact. If you are against Israel or for it, state your view in public or social media and watch a vigorous argument ensue. There are few subjects that get people riled up like Israel. Jerusalem is indeed a heavy stone for the world. And of those who try to move her or take over her, look how injured they become.
Who would doubt that Israel by all rights should not even exist if it were a nation like the others. With all those enemies, they should have been wiped out a while back. But they exist and prosper in the middle of a sea of enemies that surround them. They live in a desert and are the biggest or one of the biggest fruit exporters to Europe. We read about the miracles in Israel in ancient times, but many ignore what is happening there now and want to relegate Israel as nothing special. Perhaps that attitude existed in ancient times too? But the prophets never held that view according to scripture while the world may have.
November 2, 2015 at 11:43 am#804406
Miia
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When Jesus returns, he will rule from here. In the meantime, rulers, authorities, and cosmic powers over this present darkness desire to rule from here. And who would doubt that when you see the unrest in this area. Even in Islamic prophecy, the Mahdi is said to rule from Jerusalem and the Dome of the Rock in particular.
When Jesus returns he will rule from here? Where? T8, when Jesus returns the world will be destroyed, (2nd Peter 3). If you are looking for an earthly rule, it will be a deceiver, (looks like Jesus, acts like Jesus, but will not be the real Jesus).
Zechariah 12:3
On that day I will make Jerusalem a heavy stone for all the peoples. All who lift it will surely hurt themselves. And all the nations of the earth will gather against it.
Surely, God has not forgotten the significance of Israel and Jerusalem. Nor has Jesus. He will rule from here after all.
Again, that is absolutely not so. Since Jesus, Jerusalem and Zion are heavenly, (Hebrews 12, and Galatians 4, etc).
Zechariah 12.3 regards Jesus’ first advent does it not? You need to look at these verses spiritually.
[10] “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of compassion and supplication, so that, when they look on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a first-born.
[11] On that day the mourning in Jerusalem will be as great as the mourning for Hadadrim’mon in the plain of Megid’do.
Next chapter:
Zech.13
[1]”On that day there shall be a fountain opened for the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem to cleanse them from sin and uncleanness.
[6] And if one asks him, <em>What are these wounds on your back?' he will say,The wounds I received in the house of my friends.'”
[7] “Awake, O sword, against my shepherd,
against the man who stands next to me,” says the LORD of hosts.
“Strike the shepherd, that the sheep may be scattered.
Who would doubt that Israel by all rights should not even exist if it were a nation like the others. With all those enemies, they should have been wiped out a while back. But they exist and prosper in the middle of a sea of enemies that surround them. They live in a desert and are the biggest or one of the biggest fruit exporters to Europe. We read about the miracles in Israel in ancient times, but many ignore what is happening there now and want to relegate Israel as nothing special. Perhaps that attitude existed in ancient times too? But the prophets never held that view according to scripture while the world may have.
Firstly, you need to understand more, (please watch the video). Secondly, my family are Hebrew (from Judah). Apparently, we have the right to return, today, but would not.
Ezek.9
[1] Then he cried in my ears with a loud voice, saying, “Draw near, you executioners of the city, each with his destroying weapon in his hand.”
[2] And lo, six men came from the direction of the upper gate, which faces north, every man with his weapon for slaughter in his hand, and with them was a man clothed in linen, with a writing case at his side. And they went in and stood beside the bronze altar.
[3] Now the glory of the God of Israel had gone up from the cherubim on which it rested to the threshold of the house; and he called to the man clothed in linen, who had the writing case at his side.
[4] And the LORD said to him, “Go through the city, through Jerusalem, and put a mark upon the foreheads of the men who sigh and groan over all the abominations that are committed in it.”
[5] And to the others he said in my hearing, “Pass through the city after him, and smite; your eye shall not spare, and you shall show no pity;
[6] slay old men outright, young men and maidens, little children and women, but touch no one upon whom is the mark. And begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the elders who were before the house.
[7] Then he said to them, “Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain. Go forth.” So they went forth, and smote in the city.
[8] And while they were smiting, and I was left alone, I fell upon my face, and cried, “Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou destroy all that remains of Israel in the outpouring of thy wrath upon Jerusalem?”
[9] Then he said to me, “The guilt of the house of Israel and Judah is exceedingly great; the land is full of blood, and the city full of injustice; for they say, `The LORD has forsaken the land, and the LORD does not see.’
[10] As for me, my eye will not spare, nor will I have pity, but I will requite their deeds upon their heads.”
[11] And lo, the man clothed in linen, with the writing case at his side, brought back word, saying, “I have done as thou didst command me.”
November 2, 2015 at 12:43 pm#804410
terraricca
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was it God that make Israel of today or was it men and politics ? and money from germany/the usa/ and their ability of defending better than anyone else
Israel has nothing left of God for the exception of their museum on the scroll ,all other are traditions upon traditions ,and some old foundation not even sure of those either , but they have a lot of pagan religion in it and especially in Jerusalem ,
where is GOD in that tell me ?
November 2, 2015 at 5:47 pm#804418
Ed J
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Firstly, you need to understand more, (please watch the video). Secondly, my family are Hebrew (from Judah). Apparently, we have the right to return, today, but would not.
Hi Miia,
The video is nonsense: I see YOU have more verses missing from of YOUR bible…
“I bring you out from the people, and gather you out of the countries wherein ye have been scattered;
and I will be sanctified *IN YOU* before the heathen. And ye shall know that I the LORD God,
when I shall bring you into the land of Israel, into the country for the which
I lifted up mine hand to give it to your fathers.” (Ezekiel 20:41-42)
God said (in Prophecy) EXACTLY when Israel would be brought back together as a Nation.
The Abomination of Desolation (spoken of by Daniel the Prophet) was set up in 688AD
Jesus told Israel to “Flee to the Nations” and Rev 12:6 states for how long: 1,260 days.
Prophecy is given as “each day for a year” (ref. Ezekiel 4:6 and Numbers 14:36)
688AD + 1,260years = 1948AD The year of Israels return as a Nation …[b](Link)[/b]
“We have also a more sure word of prophecy;
whereunto ye do well that ye take heed,
as unto a light that shineth in a dark place” (2Peter 1:19)
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God Bless
Ed J
November 3, 2015 at 2:20 am#804432
terraricca
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Edj
you are lost in your reenacting twice old prophecies ,just to make your opinion ,this is how the deceivers in religion show their deceit understanding ,tv,youtube are full of them ,
November 3, 2015 at 2:35 pm#804439
Proclaimer
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Rev 20:7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison
Rev 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.
Rev 20:9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Rev 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
Rev 20:13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.
Rev 20:14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
Rev 20:15 If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
to me it is clear what will happen after the 1000 years are ended this is a big smoking gun
Good. I think it is certainly a viable view. It seems to tick all the boxes.
November 3, 2015 at 2:46 pm#804440
Proclaimer
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Again, that is absolutely not so. Since Jesus, Jerusalem and Zion are heavenly, (Hebrews 12, and Galatians 4, etc).
Revelation 21:2-4
¹Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”^[a] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. ²I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.³And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. ⁴‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’^[b] or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
Revelation 21:10
And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.
Does this city descend to where men dwell or not? After all it does say later in Revelation 10 that “The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it“.
November 3, 2015 at 4:04 pm#804446
terraricca
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yes that is what will happen when all has been done ;meaning the cleaning of the earth the renewal of the resurrected and now the provision of healing begins and yes the 144k will come down to be the temple of God (meaning the way to see God holy and pure by them 144k) the new Jerusalem no corrupted priest in it ,
November 3, 2015 at 5:32 pm#804450
Proclaimer
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In my opening post I posted a video that believes the view you promote. It seems quite sound to me. Of course I remain open to other views and will continue to test things.
🙂
November 3, 2015 at 10:39 pm#804455
Miia
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was it God that make Israel of today or was it men and politics ?
Men and politics. Of course, there are those who teach otherwise.
Israel has nothing left of God
The Jews are in exile living among the nations. They will only return to Israel when messiah comes, (they do not know – yet – that Jesus IS that messiah). They believe that when messiah comes, it will be a divine gathering, rather than today’s human political gathering. They believe the nation of Israel today goes against God. Christian Zionists will teach otherwise because they do not understand the heart of it.

November 3, 2015 at 10:48 pm#804456
Miia
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The video is nonsense
What would you know, Ed? Tell me – what do you know to claim the gathering of tens of thousands of Jews is nonsense? You are speaking against something you know nothing about. do you understand what exile means? Do you understand anything they are saying? Can’t you hear their cries???? You do not understand!
November 3, 2015 at 10:56 pm#804457
Miia
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Revelation 21:2-4
¹Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”^[a] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. ²I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.³And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. ⁴‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’^[b] or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
How do you know that is not now t8? I am not saying that as a statement, I am just saying how do you know that is not now? Does God not wipe away our tears? Does God not dwell with men through his spirit? When we die do we not go to be with the Lord? Did Jesus not say that he who believes in him will not die, though he die, he live? Are the old things not passed away? (I’m only thinking).
Revelation 21:10
And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.
Does this city descend to where men dwell or not? After all it does say later in Revelation 10 that “The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it“.
22But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, 23and to the assembly^a of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

Again – only thinking. Rev is a spiritual book.
November 3, 2015 at 11:21 pm#804460
Miia
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tens of thousands of Jews
Correction: hundreds of thousands of Jews.
November 4, 2015 at 9:28 am#804463
Proclaimer
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“I bring you out from the people, and gather you out of the countries wherein ye have been scattered;
and I will be sanctified *IN YOU* before the heathen. And ye shall know that I the LORD God,
when I shall bring you into the land of Israel, into the country for the which
I lifted up mine hand to give it to your fathers.” (Ezekiel 20:41-42)
God said (in Prophecy) EXACTLY when Israel would be brought back together as a Nation.
The Abomination of Desolation (spoken of by Daniel the Prophet) was set up in 688AD
Jesus told Israel to “Flee to the Nations” and Rev 12:6 states for how long: 1,260 days.
Prophecy is given as “each day for a year” (ref. Ezekiel 4:6 and Numbers 14:36)
688AD + 1,260years = 1948AD The year of Israels return as a Nation …(Link)
“We have also a more sure word of prophecy;
whereunto ye do well that ye take heed,
as unto a light that shineth in a dark place” (2Peter 1:19)
Hi Ed J.
I confess to passing over your posts is a habit of mine due to the whole gematria thing of which I have no time for.
But I took a look just now at your post and it looks interesting.
I will look into it.
November 4, 2015 at 2:55 pm#804464
terraricca
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Edj/t8
if what he says is true ,the entire letter from Paul to the Hebrews was false and lies ,
so I declare Edj totally wrong for scriptures to me do not lie ,
November 4, 2015 at 11:44 pm#804468
Miia
Participant
Good luck listening to EdJ, t8.
Well, guess there’s nothing more to say. (Don’t know why I waste my breath half the time…)
November 5, 2015 at 9:36 am#804469
Proclaimer
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I would just like to add that just because Gog Magog are mentioned as existing near the end of the Millennium, it is not certain proof that the Ezekiel War will happen then.
Scripture often uses the ancient names of places and doesn’t mention modern names, even millennia later. We don’t read about the USA or Australia for example and we read about ancient places as existing near the end of the age.
That said, the fact that a land with unwalled villages is attacked with a peaceful and unsuspecting people, couple that with the existence of God and Magog during the Millennium, and you are left with the strong possibility that it will happen then. Especially if there is no evidence for it happening in the past.
November 5, 2015 at 9:40 am#804470
Proclaimer
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Good luck listening to EdJ, t8.
Thanks. I would like to think that I could listen to him, of course that is no guarantee that I would believe him. But God does speak through unsuspecting people at times. For me, to hear the voice of the shepherd is to not only hear him in your heart, but also hear him through others, even others that we wouldn’t think.
Also, I like to give people chances, even if they have blown chances in the past. One reason for that is people change, and also I hope that God doesn’t give up on me even though I myself have blown many chances he has given me. In other words treat others as I would like to be treated. With the same measure I give, is the same measure I receive.
November 5, 2015 at 9:43 am#804471
Proclaimer
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Edj/t8
if what he says is true ,the entire letter from Paul to the Hebrews was false and lies ,
That’s a bit harsh Terr. We see through a glass dimly. Unless we have crystal clear vision on prophecy, we should not condemn other views harshly IMO. If we take that stance, we endanger ourselves with missing the truth because we do not have all the answers right now.
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