Seven Gentile Empires

The Beast

The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.

The Beast of Revelation represents seven empires that ruled in succession in the area around the Great Sea, the Mediterranean. These seven empires are a historical fact that fits perfectly with the Beast of Revelation and what it means. From our view in history, we can see that the seven empires were:

Egypt – 3100 to 677 BC (Genesis 12:10)
Assyria – 677 to 626 BC (Genesis 2:14)
Babylon – 626 – 539 BC (Daniel 1:1)
Medo-Persia – 539 – 449 BC (Daniel 5:28)
Greecia – 449 – 146 BC (Daniel 10:20)
Rome – 146 BC-476 AD eastern leg / 1453 AD western leg or Byzantium (Daniel 9:26 & Romans 1-7)
Ottoman – 1453 – 1924 AD (Future empire when Revelation was written, but historical empire today)

Notice that this Beast is no more today in 2021. The reign of empires ended at the conclusion of WWI when the Ottoman army fought alongside Germany and Austria-Hungary. They were defeated in October 1918. If the Ottoman Empire was the last empire or the seventh head of the beast, then it partially fits with the following verse.

And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.”

For it to fully fit though, an eighth king or kingdom which comes from the seventh would need to arise in the future. That could be another Islamic Caliphate especially considering the seventh in this view was an Islamic caliphate. Further, given the spread of Islam which dominates this part of the world (around the Great Sea) and which has recently infiltrated Western Europe, it seems that an Islamic Caliphate would be the most likely empire to rise from this region. Forget America, China, India, Australia, etc. These are not located around the Great Sea. These empires and countries are not part of the Beast with seven heads and 10 horns.

Revelation 17:8
The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction.,

Revelation 17:11:
The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

Daniel 7:1-3
In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon, Daniel had a dream, and visions passed through his mind as he was lying in bed. He wrote down the substance of his dream. Daniel said: “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me were the four winds of heaven churning up the great sea. Four great beasts, each different from the others, came up out of the sea.

Revelation 13:1
“And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.”

It is also possible that the eighth king / kingdom to come could be from the seven heads (not seventh head). This would mean it is comprised of all empires that came out of the Great Sea previously. Now look at the next verse.

You saw the iron mixed with clay–the peoples will mix with one another but will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with fired clay.

Regarding the iron mixed with clay, it is worth noting that the word for ‘clay’ in Aramaic is ‘arab’. After the two legs of iron in the statue (Rome) , we see the toes are mixed with iron and clay. In other words it appears that two peoples will live side by side but their seed will not mingle. And indeed we see this with the break up of the Roman Empire and the Ottoman invasions. The invaders (Arabs) mixed with the iron (Romans) but never became one people.

Of the seven empires in the Book of Revelation, Daniel addressed four and perhaps a fifth with the mixture of iron and clay. His revelation was focussed around his time however and not as wide in scope as the Book of Revelation.

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  • #848787
    Berean
    Participant

    Hi t8

     

    In Revelation 13  it is more

    clear

    7)And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
    [8] And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

     

    Did the Ottoman Empire rule over all of the kindreds, tongues and nations…? Could he do it in the coming days if he is reborn?

    #848789
    Berean
    Participant

    In the  past the beast ruled the world 42 months

    In symbolic prophecy such as this, a day symbolizes a literal year

    (Eze 4:6; Num 14:34). 1260 days = 1260 years.

    1 month=30 days

    one Prothetic days = one year

    42 months X 30 = 1260 days/years

    And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

    1260 years

    538   AD  to  1798  is the time of supremacy Papal

    In Daniel 7

    We read :

    21] I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

    …..

     

    And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

    One time=360 days/years

    Times = 360 X 2= 720 days/years

    the dividing of time =360 divided by 2 = 180 days/years

    Total

    360 + 720 +180 = 1260 days/years

    So Daniel say the same time that

    John  1260 years

     

    In Revelation 12  idem

     

    And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

     

    The Beast and the Little Horn of Daniel 7 are one and the same power

    Little Horn of Daniel 7
    verse 8: Is a KINGDOM. Horns represent kingdoms.

    verse 8: Arose “among” the 10 kingdoms of Europe

    verses 2-8: Arose after a lion, bear, leopard, & dragon

    verse 25: Reigned 3 1/2 “years” (42 months)

    verse 25: Persecuted and killed Christians

    verses 7-8: Grew from a dragon (fourth beast)

    verse:  8 Has the eyes of MAN

    verse 8: Has a MOUTH (prominent spokesman)

    verse 25: Spoke great things

    verse 25: Thought to CHANGE GODʼS LAW

    Beast of Revelation 13:1-10
    verses1-2: Is a Beast. Beasts represent KINGDOMS. The beast is made up of the kingdoms of Dan 7

    verse 1: Arose from the “sea” – a populated area

    verse 2: Made up of a lion, bear, leopard, dragon

    verse 5: Reigned for 42 prophetic months

    verse 3: Persecuted and killed Christians

    verse: 10 Received power from a dragon

    verse 18: Has the number of A MAN – 666

    verse 6: Has a MOUTH

    verse 5: Spoke great things & blasphemies

    verse 6: Has the Mark of the Beast

     

    #848794
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Berean……..non of that happens till the end of the millennium when Satan is released,  and it lasts for only 3 1/2 years. Please go and read what I wrote on Rev 17 , it lays it all out for you clearly.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene

    #848795
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Gene, all you have is an opinion in this matter. It sounds like something you could make up in 10 minutes.

    Personally speaking, I do not fully subscribe to any end-time interpretation, but most have way more going for them than your opinion. And factoring in Islam certainly ticks most if not all the boxes.

    We are already told what the Antichrist is as they deny the Father and son. Not only does Islam deny the Son, it is even written in the Holy place in Jerusalem.

    And only in Islam will you find Believers being beheaded. Just think about the tribulations that have occurred to make Christians all but extinct where they once were so high in number, even the Roman Empire had to embrace them to some degree in order to survive.

    Where today is persecution the greatest? In the Islamic world around ‘The Great Sea’ .

    #848796
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Further, Muslims believe God has no son and worship this God prostrate multiple times a day. I wonder which God that is who has no son.

    Muslims make up somewhere between one quarter to one third of the world’s population. They also have a high fertility rate guaranteeing they will be an even stronger force in the future. Even Europe could be Muslim majority in our lifetime. Imagine Sharia Law in Europe.

    Anyone with eyes can see what is coming.

    #848808
    Berean
    Participant

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    2] Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
    [3] And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

    Antichrist’spirit was in the days of John

    That spirit confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh

    Now read

     

    Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
    [19] They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

     

    John say : They went out from us, but they were not of us; 

     

    Did Islamic people went out from

    True Christians. …?????

     

    The answer is No

     

     

     

     

    #848809
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Hi Berean.

    How do you explain this?

    “He gave me this explanation: ‘The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it.

    He said, “The fourth animal will be the fourth of these kingdoms on earth. It will be different from all other kingdoms. It will devour, trample, and crush the whole world.

    #848828
    Berean
    Participant

    Hi J 8

    Roman Empire is the fourth animal (legs of iron /Dan.2)

    not Ottoman empire.

     

    #848829
    Berean
    Participant

    Chapter 2, Rome was represented by the iron legs. The ten toes of the statue become ten horns, ten kingdoms that rise from the ruins of the Roman Empire. Tyranny was terrible in the days of pagan Rome. Never before had there been such a powerful and merciless world empire. Rome put the height of its iniquity to the test by participating in the crucifixion of the Son of God and by murdering many of the first Christians. In judgment God will make him bear the responsibility.

    #848830
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Berean……Good job,  those who went out of the Church were the Gnostic’s, who taught Jesus was a preexisting devine being, they were the ones who left the church and continued to preach and introduce the idea of a preexisting DEVINE JESUS, . Who they said was only desguised as a flesh man . They were called antichrist because they denied the need for Jesus to be “anointed” by God as Moses and others were in order to carry out the will of God.

    The Moslim religion of Islam did not even exist then,  it started some time in 700 or 800 AD,  So  you are right it had nothing  to do with the ANITCHRIST.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

    #848845
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Hi J 8

    Roman Empire is the fourth animal (legs of iron /Dan.2)

    not Ottoman empire.

    Agreed Berean, it is the Roman Empire, but you are not paying attention to what I am actually saying.

    My question is about this fourth animal trampling the WHOLE EARTH.

    Explain that if you can.

    He said, “The fourth animal will be the fourth of these kingdoms on earth. It will be different from all other kingdoms. It will devour, trample, and crush the whole world.

    #848846
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Gene, when I see you in my mind, I see a man who likes to buck the trend which is in itself not a bad thing, but will then embrace a doctrine and then hold onto it even if it is found wanting later on. A stubbornness seems to show through from you in these forums. I believe your end time doctrine is extremely weak as are many other doctrines you teach here. And when you are challenged, you do not like being straight up about it and refuse to answer even a simple yes or no to fair questions. Then you have the no free will doctrine to fall back on that covers your weakness as you can then say, well it’s not my fault because I have no free will.

    #848860
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    T8……if you believe “my ” so-called end time doctrine is weak then why not ask a “honest” specific question about it, instead of making a general statement with  no “specific” proof that contradicts what I have written. In fact I would enjoy serious questions on anything I have written.  Yes please show where I have been challenged on what I have written on the end time teaching,  Rev 17. Or any other thing I have written as far as that goes.

    You try to make it appear as if what you challenge is right even if it is wrong,  please take some time and let see if I am wrong, but also understand you yourself can be equally as wrong.

    Jodi and I have both posted thing that contradict some of your teachings and you do exactly what you are accusing me of. How many time have we both questioned you false belief on the preexistence of Jesus, with so many posts which you fail to even answer?

    T8……talking about the pot calling the kettle black.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene

     

     

    #848861
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Berean…..The fourth beast (rise of the Babyloian Empires on this earth , is in fact the fifth. The one we live in now,  the world wars I and 11, plus so many others wars of massive destructions, the empires of this world today are the most powerful Nation that have ever existed on this earth, even the smallest of today’s nations could have defeated any of the past empires alone and by itself.

    But first let me explain why it really is the fifth instead o the fourth.   AT THE TIME OF THAT PROCESS WAS GIVEN ,  The first was already in existence when that prophesy was given,  so you need to add that in, and when you do you come to the fifth Babyloian kingdom to rise on this earth. That is the Babyloian kingdom we are now living in, the feet of Iron and Clay.  It is different then all the others before it, 

    Peace and love to you and yours…………gene

     

     

    #848863
    Berean
    Participant

    T8 Hi

    You say me:

    Agreed Berean, it is the Roman Empire, but you are not paying attention to what I am actually saying.

    My question is about this fourth animal trampling the WHOLE EARTH.

    Explain that if you can.

    He said, “The fourth animal will be the fourth of these kingdoms on earth. It will be different from all other kingdoms. It will devour, trample, and crush the whole world.

     

    1 fourth animal= fourth kingdom on earth

    2 different of all others kingdoms(Different from the three previous ones )

    3 It will devour. …trample, and crush…

    devour, trample and crush the faith (if possible) of the children of God

    First by coercion, force or /and religious deception…

    Dan.11.33

    And they that understand among the people shall instruct manyAnd they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.: 

    Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour(:1 Peter. 8)

    Rev.12.12

    Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

     

    Rev.12.13] And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth .

     

     

    #848864
    Berean
    Participant

    Dragon

    1  the devil

    2 pagan Roman Empire

    Pagan Roman Empire was the instrument of the devil against Christ and the first Christians .

     

    #848865
    Berean
    Participant

    [8] And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
    [9] I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
    [10] Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulati

    on ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
    [11] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

     

    ten days  = 10 years

     

    #848866
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Berean. Two questions:

    1. Is the Roman Empire that fourth beast?
    2. Did it trample the whole planet?

    Yes or no please, followed by your explanation if you so choose.

    #848876
    Berean
    Participant

    Hi Gene

    In view of Daniel 2 Yes, we live in the time of the feet of iron and clay. Knowing that the feet are the extension of the iron legs, nevertheless they come after the Iron Legs (the fourth empire which is the Roman Empire). To make the connection with Daniel 7 The feet of the statue (extension of the iron legs,) are in Daniel 7 the horns of the fourth animal.

    Of the fourth animal (Roman Empire) was born Europe(10 horns) which shared the fallen Roman Empire.

    But these 10 horns which were pagan came under the domination of the “little horn”.

    Daniel 7:23-25

    FOURTH KINGDOM

    23] Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom on earth, different from all kingdoms, and it shall devour all the earth, and tread it down, and break it in pieces.

    PAGAN EUROPE:10 horns

    24] And the ten horns of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise

    CATHOLIC EUROPE: LITTLE HORN+ (10 minus three)

    and  ANOTHER shall rise up after them; and he shall be different from the first, and shall subdue three kings. 25] And he shall speak great words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and shall think to change times and laws; and they shall be delivered into his hands until a time and times and the dividing of time.

    #848877
    Berean
    Participant

    Hi T8

     

    23] Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

     

    The whole earth….

     

    As far as their conquests have taken them. . . Not America. And others.

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