Upon this rock, Jesus Christ built his Church

For many Christian denominations, the foundation of their faith is usually a version of the Trinity Doctrine in some form. But is this doctrine really the true foundation of the Church? Let’s take a look at the actual foundation that Jesus Christ built his Church on.

Matthew 16:13-18
13 Jesus came into the country of Caesarea Philippi. He asked His followers, “Who do people say that I, the Son of Man, am?”
14 They said, “Some say You are John the Baptist and some say Elijah and others say Jeremiah or one of the early preachers.”
15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
16 Simon Peter said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus said to him, “Simon, son of Jonah, you are happy because you did not learn this from man. My Father in heaven has shown you this.
18 “And I tell you that you are Peter. On this rock I will build My church. The powers of hell will not be able to have power over My church.

Read the above clearly. Jesus did not build his Church on Peter. He built it on the truth that Peter spoke concerning the true identity of Jesus Christ. And what was that truth? That Jesus is the Son of God and the Christ.

Peter did not say that Jesus was God or one member of a triune God, yet that is the foundation for many. So what is it that tries to fight against the true foundation? Is it not the Gates of Hell that is trying to prevail against this truth. But for what benefit is there to attack the true foundation of the Church, which is the Body of Christ?

Here is the thing. Roman Catholics believe that the foundation was Peter and this is where their line of Popes supposedly comes from. They also believe that the foundation of their faith is the Trinity Doctrine. Not only are they wrong, but their fruit over the centuries proves that this tree was not good.

So which is it? The Catholic faith or the true faith?

Many do not realise that they side with the Catholic faith. However, it is true that this faith and foundation cannot sustain eternally any work built upon her.

For they labour in vain those who build on another foundation.

Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 8:6: for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

He also wrote in Ephesians 4:5-6: one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

And Jesus said it so clearly in John 17:3: Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Are you willing to believe the truth about who God is and who Jesus is over any contrary tradition that was passed down to you?

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June 27, 2015 at 7:06 am#800251
DavidL
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“And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but My Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” – Matthew 16:17-18
You will never be able to see Scripture in a clear light while you continue to use it as a means of supporting and propagating your own pre-conceived ideas..period.
True faith is built upon the revelation God gives through His Word – not the dead and deceitful interpretations of men, who seek to use truth as a means of promoting their own cult teachings..
Consider the information you present on this site (to confound belief in the triune nature of God) – is it the teaching of flesh and blood..? or the inspired revelation that comes from the Father…??
You prove time after time that it is nothing but the dead product of your own carnal reasoning…
While the triune nature of God is clear to all Spirit-filled believers as the perfect Spirit-breathed truth of God Himself..
But because of logical conclusions drawn from the study of dead creeds (and carefully selected verses) – you now have your own dead creed..
That foolishly attempts to deny the actual revelation and reality of God..
Which He Himself has revealed through His Living Word.
June 27, 2015 at 7:09 am#800252
NickHassan
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Hi davidl,
So is trinity a revelation from the Word?
It is not written anywhere.

So do you not have TRUE FAITH?
June 27, 2015 at 7:12 am#800253
NickHassan
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Hi davidl,
“While the triune nature of God is clear to all Spirit-filled believers as the perfect Spirit-breathed truth of God Himself”
I know you claim to be Spirit led
but who gave you authority to speak for others?
At best you may speak for yourself but you seem to be a lone voice of rebellion.

June 27, 2015 at 7:33 am#800254
NickHassan
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Hi davidl,
At best the trinity idea is based on supposed inferences that knitted together could lead the immature to their conclusion.
It that the sort of rock you think the church is based on?
June 27, 2015 at 7:42 am#800255
DavidL
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“And this is life eternal, that they might know Thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom Thou hast sent.” – John 17:3
We all know that this is the selected verse you take to support and defend your contrived argument against the Trinity…
Selected… because you do not compare it against other verses that clearly show His Deity..
Like Jesus’ own statement – “Before Abraham was born, I AM.”
or Hebrews, which declares – “But unto the Son He saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of Thy kingdom.”
But instead you do want is typical of cult teaching – deny all verses that don’t happen to line up with your own specific interpretation..
In quoting John 17:3 you ignore the context of it and use it as an overall base for your own selective doctrine..
Scripture tells us that Jesus came from a place of Oneness and equality with the Father..
Not to present Himself in His Deity
But to become a man
THIS is the context and setting for His prayer, in which He (as a man) defines the Father as the only true God..!!
But even in this chosen verse, which you’ve construed for your own purpose..
We clearly see the very thing you attempt to deny – the Oneness of Jesus with God – as God…!!!
Is eternal life found in the Father alone..?
Or in Father and Son together…??
The simple truth is that you cannot have the Father alone without the Son or the Holy Spirit..!!!
The Three are united as One – in what Scripture reveals as the ‘Godhead’
Or what we know today as THE TRINITY.

June 27, 2015 at 8:31 am#800262
NickHassan
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Hi Davidl,
Your cult is based on ignorance and the attempts of men to try to develop ideas to surmount it.
Having only natural minds they cannot grasp spiritual matters .
June 27, 2015 at 8:42 am#800263
NickHassan
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Hi davidl,
You would need to add continual layers of contextual explanations if you just accept what YOU said
-that the trinity idea sprang from men trying to oppose error
-and go back to the divine source of truth.
Thy word is truth.
June 27, 2015 at 9:04 am#800269
DavidL
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You would need to add continual layers of contextual explanations if you just accept what YOU said
No – but as YOU prove, you must add continual layers of carnal explanations if you deny what the Holy Spirit reveals.
June 27, 2015 at 9:23 am#800270
NickHassan
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Hi davidl,
No need to continual doctrinal justifications if you just listen to the words of Jesus Christ.
”I go to my Father and your Father, my God and your God”
simple
June 27, 2015 at 2:21 pm#800277
kerwin
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DavidL,
Who or what is the rock the out assembly of Christ is based on?
June 27, 2015 at 2:26 pm#800278
kerwin
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Nick,
Hi davidl,
No need to continual doctrinal justifications if you just listen to the words of Jesus Christ.
”I go to my Father and your Father, my God and your God”
simple
David does not believe that and does not bother to attempt to use the “reasoning” that many Trinitarians use for not believing Jesus’ words.
June 27, 2015 at 5:21 pm#800287
DavidL
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You take certain verses that on there own make you think they deny the Deity of Christ – when in fact they simply don’t. The problem is with your understanding, which is obvious when you’re born again – but to the carnally minded..you think you see the whole picture, when in reality all you see is the tiny walls of the theological rut you’ve dug yourself into.
June 27, 2015 at 11:41 pm#800292
NickHassan
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Hi Davidl,
For us there is one God
For you-two or three?
June 28, 2015 at 8:59 am#800308
DavidL
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Yawn…..yawn..
Do you not yet know the Father and the Son
in the One Holy Spirit?
June 28, 2015 at 9:20 am#800313
NickHassan
Participant
Hi davidl,
So two in one and not three?
June 28, 2015 at 9:28 am#800317
942767
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Hi DavidL:
Well, your allegation that the scriptures reveal that God is triune in nature and that the “Trinity doctrine” correct is simply not true. I also am a Spirit filled believer, and have been studying the scriptures since 1980, and God has spoken to me in many ways since then, and has corrected me on several occasions, and I have yet to see this revelation, and every morning as part of my routine prayer, I ask God to correct me if I am teaching anything that is not His Word or doing anything that is not His will. He has not shown me that I am wrong in not believing your doctrine,
Yes, God called the Son, God, but he also called the judges gods, not saying that our Lord is not greater that the judges. We know that without his sacrifice, none of us would be Spirit filled believers. Nevertheless, the scriptures state that he is a man, the last Adam, and we also are being conformed to his image. He is the “express image of God’s person”, (Hebrews 1), image of not God’s person, not God Himself also. In other words, we have seen God’s character manifest through Jesus’ life of obedience to God our Father. He said in John 14 that we who have seen him have seen the Father, but he stated that it was God doing the works through Him. He obeyed God’s Word without sin even unto death on the cross. Indeed he is “one with the Father, and we also if we are in him and obeying God’s Word.
This is what John 17 states in the following verses: Jesus prayed to God:
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
And so, these scriptures show that we are “one in the spirit”. The scriptures also state that God is a spirit and that God is love. We have become that “last Adam through the Word of the Living God”.
But enough is enough, you and the rest of so called Orthodox Christianity will be responsible to God for what you teach. John 12, these are the Words of our Lord to you and me, and to all.
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: THE WORD THAT I HAVE SPOKEN, the same shall judge him in the last day.
49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

June 28, 2015 at 9:34 am#800321
NickHassan
Participant
Hi davidl,
You admit having TWO DEITIES but cannot bring yourself to say you have THREE.
What will your masters think?
June 28, 2015 at 9:40 am#800323
942767
Participant
Hi DavilL:
As to the question relative to “on what rock was Jesus speaking that his church was to be founded”?
Take a look at the following scriptures for your answer:
Matthew 7:
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
June 28, 2015 at 9:46 am#800328
DavidL
Participant
The Three are One in Unity…Tri-Unity
You simply cannot have the Father without the Son or the Holy Spirit..period.
June 28, 2015 at 9:47 am#800329
NickHassan
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Hi 94,
Yes.
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