The Trinity Doctrine is an unnecessary stumbling block

In scripture we never read about people preaching the Trinity or insisting that people believe it in order to have true faith in God.

Over the centuries many Christians have diverged and insisted that people believe in the Trinity as the foundation of true faith in God. While this belief indeed is the Roman Catholic Faith, Christians should never make this doctrine a requirement as it only proves to alienate people from the way.

In scripture we are told that stumbling blocks are inevitable, but woe to the them that lay them. Think about it, if you insist on this doctrine and it keeps a person from receiving the son of God, then you have contributed to blocking the way of salvation to that person.

We should be wise and stick to teaching what is written. God sent his son into the world to save men. He died for our sins, rose from the dead, and is seated at the right-hand of God and interceding for us. This is written.

Keep it simple. Simplicity in Christ. He is the son of the living God, the messiah, and the one whom God made Lord. There is no point in insisting on things that are not written, especially if they become the deal breaker from them receiving the son of God.

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  • #820730
    Miia
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    1st Clement (authentic source). 33-99 AD.

    http://www.pseudepigrapha.com/LostBooks/1clement.htm

    Clement’s only existing, genuine text is a letter to the Christian congregation in Corinth, often called the First Epistle of Clement or 1 Clement. The history of 1 Clement clearly and continuously shows Clement as the author of this letter. It is considered the earliest authentic Christian document outside the New Testament.

    “Let us look steadfastly to the Father and Creator of the universe, and cleave to his mighty and surpassingly great gifts and benefactions, of peace. Let us contemplate him with our understanding, and look with the eyes of our soul to his long-suffering will. Let us reflect how free from wrath he is towards all his creation.” (Chapter 20).

    “The apostles have preached the Gospel to us from the Lord Jesus Christ; Jesus Christ has done so from God. Christ therefore was sent forth by God, and the apostles by Christ.” (Chapter 42)

    “May God, who seeth all things, and who is the ruler of all spirits and the Lord of all flesh who chose our Lord Jesus Christ and us through him to be a peculiar people grant to every soul that calleth upon his glorious and holy name, faith, fear, peace, patience, long-suffering, self-control, purity, and sobriety, to the well-pleasing of his name, through our high priest and protector, Jesus Christ, by whom be to him glory, and majesty, and power, and honour, both now and for evermore. Amen.” (Chapter 58)

    #820731
    Jael
    Participant

    t8, “The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.”.

    When you err so easily in claiming that the Son is the firstborn over all creation with a meaning that the Son was the first created, I know then why you err so easily over other matters.

    When you err so easily over the convoluted and CLEARLY BADLY ALTERED text that claims that all things are in the Son and the son created all things then it was through him but by god and that it was for him…yes, I can see why years of attempting to unravel ridiculous translations have contributed to the delusion you now believe in…!

    t8, you say that you have discovered great truths through hearing what others have said, and it has humbled you… believe me, it’s a credit to you, BUT, you need to hear the GODLY Truth instead, and let the Holy Spirit show you the pitfalls in the trinity-twisted scripture verses.

    Perhaps it hurts you when you read something that exposes the reality of your wrongful precepts… you stop reading and go elsewhere looking for someone to agree with you!

    You won’t have read this far but I’ll write it anyway:

    ’Son’, in Scriptures (TRUE SON OF A FATHER) means ‘One who does the works of the Father’. For Jesus to be ‘Son of God’ means he did (was doing) the what God showed him to do… t8, The Son MUST HAVE FIRST SEEN and then done before he could be said to be ‘DOING’ the works of the Father.

    ’Firstborn’, in Scriptures, means ‘The one who is CLOSEST IN PERSON to the Father. God did not give birth to Israel yet scriptures says God said, ‘Israel is my firstborn [of all the nations of earth?!]’… easily understood!

    Typically, the chronologically first birthed male is to be blessed (and called FIRSTBORN… note the difference.. because he ‘opened the womb’) but if that son sins against the Father, another of the male children is brought forward in dearmemt to the father and called, ‘my FIRSTBORN’ (I’m sure you know this…!)

    Jesus was made FIRSTBORN over CREATION when he fulfilled his duties and died and was made alive again… he BECAME the FIRSTBORN of mankind to the Father, first BORN from the dead. As such he is also GOD’s ONLY BEGOTTEN SON.

    And in case you don’t know it, BEGOTTEN, in this case means he has become A SON to the Father, and God has become A FATHER to him (See, ‘Onesimus being Begotten by Paul’)

    #820732
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Miia,

    Glad you finally decided to take my advice and read
    The First Epistle Of Clement To The Corinthians.

    It reads like Steven’s dissertation in
    Acts 7, but is a more complete version of it.

    ……..The Church age begins at the end of the 70 weeks of Daniel

    If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: (1 John 5:9)
    We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that
    ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place (2 Peter 1:19)

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #820733
    Miia
    Participant

    Hi Ed, I’m reading Polycarp now.

    It is a matter of researching which of the so called early church writings are genuine, and checking the online source as being trustworthy. So far all I have found (considered genuine) are 1st Clement and Polycarp.

    #820734
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Miia,

    Are you referring to:
    The Epistle of Polycarp to the Philippians ?

    Please watch the video (two posts up) on the 70 weeks of Daniel

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #820735
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    T8….Jael’s last post is correct, think about it brother.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

    #820736
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Miia….A very good and acurate video about the 70 week prophecy of DANIEL.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

    #820737
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    How are you doing my brother?

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #820743
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Edj….doing well for an old man I suppose. Hope all is well with you and yours.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

    #820753
    Miia
    Participant

    Hi Ed… What does that have to do with this topic? Wrong thread maybe?

    #820754
    Miia
    Participant

    Hi Gene, I have deleted my FB account in case you are wondering 🙂 (Karina Marie) as of tonight. Took up too much time.

     

    #820755
    Miia
    Participant

    Hi Ed yep – Polycarp to the Philippians.

    Polycarp. AD 69 – 155

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycarp#Surviving_writings_and_early_accounts

    It is recorded by Irenaeus, who heard him speak in his youth, and by Tertullian, that he had been a disciple of John the Apostle.

    The sole surviving work attributed to him is Polycarp’s letter to the Philippians, a mosaic of references to the Greek Scriptures, preserved in Irenaeus’ account of Polycarp’s life.

    http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/polycarp-roberts.html

    “Wherefore, girding up your loins, serve the Lord in fear” and truth, as those who have forsaken the vain, empty talk and error of the multitude, and “believed in him who raised up our Lord Jesus Christ from the dead, and gave him glory,” and a throne at his right hand. To him all things” in heaven and on earth are subject. him every spirit serves. He comes as the Judge of the living and the dead.

    But may the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ Himself, who is the Son of God, and our everlasting High Priest, build you up in faith and truth, and in all meekness, gentleness, patience, long-suffering, forbearance, and purity; and may he bestow on you a lot and portion among his saints, and on us with you, and on all that are under heaven, who shall believe in our Lord Jesus Christ, and in his Father, who “raised him from the dead.”

     

     

    #820772
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Miia,

    By their Fruit you will know them.

     

    Not their fancy words or their copied ideas.

    We know of the fruit of Peter and Paul.

     

    What of these others?

     

     

    #820773
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Miia,

    T8 has written, perhaps unwisely, that my fruit is evil though we have shown him kindness and given him hospitality in the past.

    May God be kinder to him.

     

     

    #820775
    Miia
    Participant

    Hi Miia,

    T8 has written, perhaps unwisely, that my fruit is evil though we have shown him kindness and given him hospitality in the past.

    May God be kinder to him.

    Ha ha Nick… YOU displaying bad fruit? I personally have never seen it. You are peaceful, patient, kind and long suffering, from what I have seen. You are one of the few…

     

    #820776
    Miia
    Participant

     

     

    Hi Miia,

    By their Fruit you will know them.

    Not their fancy words or their copied ideas.

    We know of the fruit of Peter and Paul.

    What of these others?

    I studied Art and Humanities recently, and learned somewhat how to study text from the past.

    In the beginning I used to print and study texts (without realizing that they might not even be genuine), such was my hunger for truth back then.

    #820780
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Miia,

    I think he confuses words with fruit.

    When the morning star rises in his heart he will see light.

    #820783
    Miia
    Participant

    Yes… the morning star.

    #820789
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ,

    trinity is a false god.

    Robbing millions of a relationship with the loving God of Israel entrapping them in false religion.

     

    Little children beware of idols

    #820943
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Accusations day and night is a fruit of the Devil right?

    God loves his children and is patient with them. And only God can scold continuously and say that he is right. Nick needs to realise this. He has no idea how many he has put off with his ‘I am right you are wrong attitude’. For sure, use scripture to prove doctrines and teachings as wrong. This is what I so and encourage others to do so. But he scolds day and night. He did it to Gene and now he agrees with him on at least one point. Nick denies that Jesus was the messiah until his baptism or until he actually saved people from death. He denies that Jesus was born the Lord too.

    The Antichrist spirit will give itself away because it cannot help but teach that Jesus is not the messiah or the son. Those under the influence of that spirit will have a multitudes of spin on this, but they will do it one way or another. For example, Islam teaches that Jesus is the messiah. But they also say that he didn’t finish his work and that he was not supposed to die on a cross. So God sent Muhammad to finish the job.

    Nick basically teaches that the baby that was born to Mary was not technically the messiah, but was a mere man only. Enough said because scripture directly conflicts with his teaching. It is plain to see.

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