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If my son is the spitting image of me, then no one is going to think my son is me right?

Why is it that the one who is called image of God, who is the son of God, and the firstborn of all creation, is considered God as well?

Surely being the image of God means you are another, but like God right?

Man was made in the image of God and no one should think based on this, that man is a manufactured God. Rather, we are considered children of God and sons of God at best and so it is with Jesus, who is the image of God and the son of God.

Jesus is the one that God made both Lord and Christ. Why is that not enough to believe as to who Jesus is. Why do we need the additional third century doctrine of the Trinity too? This Trinity Doctrine is really a contradiction of him being the image, son, and the one that God made Lord and Christ.

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  • May 24, 2015 at 6:05 am#798334
    kerwin
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    Nick,

    You are correct that to live by the Spirit you must first receive it.

    May 24, 2015 at 12:22 pm#798353
    942767
    Participant

    Hi David:

    The “Word” is the Greek “Logos” which means that which God has spoken and emodies an idea or plan.  It pertains to Jesus, but is not him as a sentient person.   The “Word” was and is God, and we have seen “God” manifested through the life that Jesus lived in obedience to  “The Word”  or obedience to the Father.  Jesus existed in the heart of God from the beginning, but was manifested to the world at the time that God has seen from the beginning.

    Jesus said the following in John 14:

    7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

    8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

    9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

    10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

    In John 17 he said the following:

    18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

    19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

    20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

    21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

    Hebrews 1 states that “he is the express image of God’s person”, and that should be understood through the scriptures that I quoted above. Also, Jesus prays that we will be “one” with him and the Father just as “he is one with the Father”.

    I hope this helps you to understand.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    May 24, 2015 at 4:20 pm#798359
    davidH
    Participant

    with the word ‘one’ as posted in the above message,I cannot be you and vice versa. as jesus said that they be one AS WE ARE ONE>  so it must be total absolute unity in thought word and deed

    May 24, 2015 at 4:25 pm#798360
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Davidl,

    Yes.

    Spiritual unity.

    Not sameness. Not equality.

    May 24, 2015 at 7:39 pm#798363
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick & DavidL,

    Yes.

    May 25, 2015 at 6:45 am#798369
    DavidL
    Participant

    t8

    If my son is the spitting image of me, then no one is going to think my son is me (his Father) right?

     

    So why is it then that the one who is called image of God, who is the son of God, and the firstborn of all creation is considered God as well?

    “No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.” – John 1:18 NIV

    “I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are.” John 17:11

    Notice in this verse it says God has given Jesus His own name – God Himself calls the Son ‘GOD’…not god or a god, but has bestowed His own name upon the Son..!!

    “But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.” Hebrews 1:8

    Concerning Himself Jesus says, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.”

    In Revelation 1:8 Jesus reveals Himself, stating -“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

    So why is the Son considered to be God as well?

    Simply because this is what Scripture (not man) teaches..!!

    He was with God – He was God..!!!

    May 25, 2015 at 6:49 am#798371
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    How many gods do you serve?

    Three?

    May 25, 2015 at 7:05 am#798381
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    John 1:18Young’s Literal Translation (YLT)

    18 God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, who is on the bosom of the Father — he did declare.

    vs

    “No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.” – John 1:18 NIV

    These are not just different translations they are completely different structures, meanings and phrases….unbelieveable!

    May 25, 2015 at 7:13 am#798382
    DavidL
    Participant

    “No man has seen God at any time; The Only Begotten God Who is in the bosom of The Father, he has declared him.” – Aramaic Bible

     

    May 25, 2015 at 7:15 am#798384
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Does rebellion drive you seek distant hopes as reality?

    May 25, 2015 at 7:22 am#798385
    kerwin
    Participant

    Bodhitharta,

    Not really, take out the words “who is himself God” and they are paraphrases of one another.

    There is manuscript difference that partially explains the difference but translators also “paraphrased” the words and so inserted their own ideas.

    John 1:18New King James Version (NKJV)

    18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son,[a] who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
    Footnotes:

    John 1:18 NU-Text reads only begotten God.

    a sincere jew reading the words “only begotten god” would not see the word as meaning the one true god but would instead see it as meaning a human that was superior to other humans. the same interpretation works for the niv even though the translators attempted to get around that.

    Note: I used one case to symbolize the fact that Koine Greek only uses one case. Any change in case it a decision made by translators.

    May 25, 2015 at 7:34 am#798386
    kerwin
    Participant

    DavidL

    The bottom line is the manuscripts disagree on the wording of John 1:18 and which enables teachers to cherry pick whichever version they deem is more friendly to their teaching.

    I have no trouble with either as I know that not only was a John a Jew but his audience was as well. The Jews of Jesus’ days were not Trinitarians and would not have interpreted even the words the only begotten god as meaning the one true God. They would have just seen it has meaning the superior child of God.

    The biggest difference between the teachings of Paul and those Jews that did not believe was that he taught that Jesus was the Messiah they waited for and they did not believe him. He did not teach Trinitarianism which which is a radical departure from what is clearly written in the OT and what the Jews of that day believed.

    May 25, 2015 at 10:02 am#798388
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    HI @DavidL

    “No man has seen God at any time; The Only Begotten God Who is in the bosom of The Father, he has declared him.” – Aramaic Bible

    That’s even again a different entire structure but what’s more if you are a begotten God then you were not always God, right?

    May 25, 2015 at 10:31 am#798392
    kerwin
    Participant

    bodhitharta,

    Good point but I will point out that the word god has multiple meanings in either English or Koine Greek. To presume is means the only true God in any sentence is a dangerous error.

    May 26, 2015 at 3:57 am#798420
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    DB…….you said, “YOU COULD NOT HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A GOD IF YOUR WERE BEGOTTEN OF HIM”. Good point. There is only ONE TRUE GOD, ALL OTHERS ARE FALSE GODS, WHILE THE WORD GOD IS A RELATIVE TERM, THERE IS “ONLY” ONE WHO “TRULY” FILL THAT TERM, AND HE IS THE LORD (adonia) OUR GOD.

    peace and love to you and yours. ……………………gene

    June 8, 2015 at 10:58 am#799179
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    What’s funny is the actual image you use of Jesus, the image itself is false and is the image of a Pope’s son

    Bod, who are you talking to? No one here thinks that is the image of Jesus and no one has suggested it or even hinted at it.

    Are you talking to yourself, because you are not talking to me or anyone else who comes here as far as I know.

    I have rejected Catholicism and these traditions that have been passed down.

    We are seeking the real faith which is a personal relationship with the one true God and his only begotten son. If you did the same, then we could seek together. But you insist on Islam and then throw Catholicism in our face? What’s up with that? We reject both.

    June 8, 2015 at 11:09 am#799180
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    “No man has seen God at any time; The Only Begotten God Who is in the bosom of The Father, he has declared him.” – Aramaic Bible

    DavidL, you lack diligence in accurately handling the word of truth. We need to work harder than a quote from one translation especially when translations differ. We need to go into the original or older languages ourselves or compare translations before making silly absolute statements based on a differing translation.

    Further, many are called ‘theos’ and are not the one true God. You ignore this because it is convenient for you to do so. This is not an honest approach. To receive truth, your heart must be true.

    Anyway, I have done such a study. Feel free to point out fault or encouragement if I have done a good job.

    https://heavennet.net/writings/supporting-the-trinity-doctrine/john-1_18/

    June 10, 2015 at 8:50 am#799299
    DavidL
    Participant

    DavidL, you lack diligence in accurately handling the word of truth.

    Bible study is good – but our intellectual understanding can never replace the revelation given by the Spirit…

    If you’re confused about Text – why not ask Him to reveal Himself to you.

    Yes, many are called ‘theos’ – but isn’t it obvious to you that Christ is called more than ‘a god’…!?!?!

    June 10, 2015 at 8:54 am#799300
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    The revelation of the Spirit reflects the teaching of Jesus Christ. Jn 14.26

    That is our safeguard.

     

    But Jesus never mentioned any trinity and claimed to be the Son of God.

    June 10, 2015 at 9:22 am#799305
    DavidL
    Participant

    Do you not yet know the Father and the Son
    in the One Holy Spirit?

    Your words remember…

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