The human soul is NOT eternal

The human soul

Many teachers out there teach that the human soul is inherently eternal, and consequently the souls of the wicked must also always exist which leads to the doctrine of Eternal Suffering. But is this true?

Some ask the inevitable question, “how can a God of love subject anyone to such a terrible fate? Let’s see if this idea of eternal suffering is true by looking at the very scriptures that these teachers use to support their teaching. Before we begin though, let’s think this hypothesis through.

First off, how are the wicked alive if they are cut off from the God of the living? Do they have another life power source apart from God? Or do they get to keep the breath that gave them life in the first place. If so, why does it say that the spirit goes back to God who gave it in Ecclesiastes 12:7?

and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

And what happens when you forfeit your soul, does it mean you keep it?

And what do you benefit if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul? … For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul? (Mark 8:36)

These scriptures answer our sensible questions regarding what eternal judgement must entail.

Are these just isolated scriptures taken out of context though? Let’s read on and discover more scriptures that tell a completely different story to the Doctrine of Eternal Suffering.

First we will investigate if the human soul is eternal as many assume.

  • the soul that sins shall die (Ezekiel 18:20)
  • Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.(Matthew 10:28)

This is enough to answer anyone who believes that the human soul never dies. We have to clear witness scriptures that teach that the human soul can actually die. But there is more. In fact there is a wealth of teaching about the possible destruction and death of the human soul and the destruction of the wicked. After all, do we not already hold to the fact that eternal life is for the righteous soul ONLY.

  • for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls.
  • hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.
  • But transgressors will be altogether destroyed; The posterity of the wicked will be cut off.
  • He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.
  • What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath–prepared for destruction?
  • And death and Hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 
  • They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
  • I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.
  • I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.
  • For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
  • and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
  • Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
  • Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is on earthly things.
  • They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power
  • By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
  • For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Anyone who denies that the wicked will be destroyed, perish, forfeit their soul, die, or thrown into the Second Death that also destroys the present earth and heaven simply deny scripture and prophecy regarding what is taught on Eternal Judgment. In the Book of Revelation. we clearly read that Death and Hell are thrown into the Lake of Fire, and we know that the SAME fire that destroys the heavens and earth also destroys the wicked.

This teaching that says that both the righteous and wicked will have their soul exist for all eternity is clearly not aligned with scripture. But how important is the correct belief on Eternal Judgement? Well it is is one of the foundational doctrines of the true faith. See Hebrews 6:

1 Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God, 2 instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3 And God permitting, we will do so. 4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, 6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. 7 Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God. 8 But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned. 9 Even though we speak like this, dear friends, we are confident of better things in your case–things that accompany salvation. 10 God is not unjust; he will not forget your work and the love you have shown him as you have helped his people and continue to help them. 11 We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, in order to make your hope sure. 12 We do not want you to become lazy, but to imitate those who through faith and patience inherit what has been promised.

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  • #792853
    Proclaimer
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    It would make no difference from our point if view if we went to be with Jesus immediately or if we slept and awoke to be with him. Unless sleeping meant consciousness, then we would die and the next thing we know would be us with Christ, except time would have passed by in the meantime. I am open to either view.

    It is written that the dead in Christ will rise first, and then we who remain will be taken up to be with the Lord. If the dead in Christ rise first, then is that all in the same moment, or is it when we are away from our body.

    There are a number of things to consider.

    • Graves were opened and some saints of old came to life after Jesus rose from the dead.
    • The souls of men killed for their testimony of Christ during tribulation are under the throne of God and are told to rest a little while longer till their number is complete.
    • Hades was divided into two parts, one for the righteous and the other for the wicked. This may not be the case since Jesus died though.
    • Just as people are destined to die once, after that we face judgment,

    Whether we go to be with Christ immediately, or at an allotted time, if there is no consciousness between, it will from our perspective be no different. If sleep is in a conscious state, then it should be beautiful because we will be with the Lord as it is written. If we go to be with Christ immediately, then of course that will be beautiful too. But all these issues on timing may not make sense to us in this world compared to an eternal realm. Things could we way different to how we imagine things. Eye has not seen what God has in store for those that love him.

    #792902
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Andrew,

    No it is spiritual language you are dealing with.

    When Jesus said they would not die what did he mean?

    He meant that though they died and slept in the earth, because they were of the eternal Spirit they would rise again and never see the second death.

     

    So Just as Abraham is alive to God so are they.

    #793153
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Andrew,

    Eph 2.4

    “..but God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ[by grace you have been saved]and raised us up with him, and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness towards us in Christ Jesus”

    Spiritually we are one with Jesus as soon as we share his Spirit.

    #793981
    carmel
    Participant

     

    Spiritually we are one with Jesus as soon as we share his Spirit.

    Nick,

    I would mostly appreciate it if you were to make clear what actually do you mean, and how by:

    SHARING CHRIST’S SPIRIT

    SINCE ONLY THAT WAY WE ACQUIRE HIS UNFATHOMABLE POURING OF HIS GRACES!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #793992
    NickHassan
    Participant

    hi C,

    The Spirit of Christ was poured out on the disciples at Pentecost.

    The same blessing was promised to those who obeyed the words of Peter in acts 2.38-39

    Nothing has changed. God is still willing to join all He calls to Christ Jesus by giving them of the Holy Spirit.

     

    Then we become one in Spirit with the Father and the Son and the others in the Body of Christ

    #794970
    carmel
    Participant

    Nothing has changed. God is still willing to join all He calls to Christ Jesus by giving them of the Holy Spirit.

    Then we become one in Spirit with the Father and the Son and the others in the Body of Christ

    Nick,

    So God would call a particular person, and this person would believe in Jesus!and then what?

    How would he receive the Holy Spirit?

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #794971
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    What does Acts say?

    Those who repented were baptised in the name of Jesus and hands were laid on them to receive the Holy Spirit.

    There are many many examples that God gave us in this book.

    #794972
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    Romans 8 says if we do not have the Spirit of Christ we are none of his.

    It is vital.

    Acts 2.39 says the promise remains for those who respond

    #795065
    carmel
    Participant

     

    Those who repented were baptised in the name of Jesus and hands were laid on them to receive the Holy Spirit.

    Nick,

    So according to you when a person is baptised, he would receive the Holy Spirit, he would be saved, SIMPLY BECAUSE  he was baptise, and  he would be sharing Jesus Christ’s spirit!

    EVEN IF HE LIVES COMPLETELY A SINFUL LIFE THROUGHOUT!

    IS THAT RIGHT???

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #795066
    carmel
    Participant

    Nick,

    Also I am still curious HOW WE SHOULD SHARE CHRIST’S SPIRIT!!!

    To share something is to have:

    a part or portion of a larger amount which is divided among a number of people, or to which a number of people contribute.

    So what actually Christ’s spirit OBVIOUS, Jesus when he was like all his brethren on earth did, obtained, and achieved, in order to have a share of all what he DID,OBTAINED AND ACHIEVED?

    Peace and love in Jesus

     

    Chgarles

     

    #795070
    kerwin
    Participant

    t8,

    Hades was divided into two parts, one for the righteous and the other for the wicked. This may not be the case since Jesus died though.

    I do not see any evidence of a change in nature of things.

    Jesus died and went to the Paradise of Sheol.

    Revelations does mention souls that are under the altar but since the book of Revelations is prophecy that is most like a symbolic representative of the truth. The only passage of Scripture I know that may aid in understanding the symbology of that passage from Revelations is Exodus 27:5. I believe there is more.

    #795161
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi c,

    No someone who has repented and been baptised does not necessarily receive of the Spirit.

    Ask, seek, knock.

     

    Many stumble at the first hurdle

    #795162
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    The Father shared the Spirit of Christ with the believers at Pentecost.jn 14.26

    That Spirit is shared among all who come and join the body of Christ.

     

    But only an earnest of the Spirit is given and again it is up to us to build on the investment God made in us.

    Ask, seek, knock.

    #795163
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    a part or portion of a larger amount which is divided among a number of people, or to which a number of people contribute.

    So what actually Christ’s spirit OBVIOUS, Jesus when he was like all his brethren on earth did, obtained, and achieved, in order to have a share of all what he DID,OBTAINED AND ACHIEVED?”

    Can you please explain what this means.

     

    #795241
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    I do not see any evidence of a change in nature of things.
    Jesus died and went to the Paradise of Sheol.
    Revelations does mention souls that are under the altar but since the book of Revelations is prophecy that is most like a symbolic representative of the truth. The only passage of Scripture I know that may aid in understanding the symbology of that passage from Revelations is Exodus 27:5. I believe there is more.

    When we die we are present with the Lord. When Jesus Christ rose from the dead, the graves of some were opened.

    Jesus took the keys of death right. So the dead in Christ rise first. We are told that they are with him the moment they die.

    Where is Christ now?

    Looks to me like there is plenty of evidence of a change.

    #795244
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    “We are told that they are with him the moment they die.”

    Where is this specified?

    #795308
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Paul teaches that to be away from the body is to be present with the Lord.

    We are also told that the dead in Christ rise first, even before the those who are alive and remain are transformed and taken up.

    It is not one instant moment of all being raised and transformed at the same time according to at least two scriptures that Paul penned in his letters.

    #795312
    kerwin
    Participant

    t8,

    His point is not that when he looses his body he will be with God but rather he would rather loose his body and be with God than have a body and not be with God. In verse 4 he states he does not want to be unclothed.

    2 Corinthians 5:1-10Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    5 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: 3 if so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. 4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. 5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit. 6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: 7 (for we walk by faith, not by sight:) 8 we are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

    #795313
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T8,

    But it does not say INSTANTLY?

    #795316
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Paul says ” we are confident, I say, and willing rather to be …”

    The only when that he mention is when the sheep and the goats are present before our Lord Jesus Christ.

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