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  • August 14, 2015 at 1:52 pm#802145
    NickHassan
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    Hi kW,

    Inherited ORIGINAL SIN is  a catholic invention not found in scripture.

    August 14, 2015 at 1:56 pm#802147
    Proclaimer
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    What if any are the main scriptures used for ‘original sin’ being passed down from Adam?

    Is it this?

    For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

    August 14, 2015 at 2:02 pm#802149
    NickHassan
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    Hi t8,

    Men are not punished because of the sin of Adam.

    Each man has to make an account of his own life at the judgement, not the sin of Adam.

     

    And forgiveness for all who come to Jesus is offered.

    August 14, 2015 at 2:30 pm#802150
    Proclaimer
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    So why did Christ die for our sins?

    August 14, 2015 at 3:18 pm#802151
    terraricca
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    kw

    Nick,

    Job 25:24 gives voice to the mystery of Godliness.

    The answer is to live by the Spirit and that can only be done through faith Jesus Christ.

    what bible do you use for mine does not contain Job 25;24

    August 14, 2015 at 3:21 pm#802152
    NickHassan
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    Hi t8,

    The god of this world rules men from within. Men are not even aware of their dire predicament.

    By choosing to obey unto death Jesus condemned sin in the flesh.

    Thos the son sets free are free indeed.

    August 14, 2015 at 3:42 pm#802154
    terraricca
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    Nick

    The god of this world rules men from within. Men are not even aware of their dire predicament.

    any good scripture for this ?

    August 15, 2015 at 2:52 am#802159
    GeneBalthrop
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    Terricca…..Nick does not believe spirits give us their intellects, so how could the god of anything rule within us. He speaks out of both sides of his mouth.

    The words of BILDAD the Shuhite can not be taken as fact nor his frinds because GOD SAID “THEY DID NOT SPEAK CORRECTLY”. Job 42:7

    Nick you need to be careful what you say. IMO

    peace and love to you and yours. ……………gene

    August 15, 2015 at 7:14 am#802161
    NickHassan
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    Hi GB,

    Should we believe your ideas as if they were truth?

    August 15, 2015 at 7:29 am#802164
    kerwin
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    Terrarica, Nick, and Wilsonphi,

    kw

    Nick,

    Job 25:24 gives voice to the mystery of Godliness.

    The answer is to live by the Spirit and that can only be done through faith Jesus Christ.

    what bible do you use for mine does not contain Job 25;24

    You are correct the correct address is Job 25:4

    August 15, 2015 at 12:02 pm#802175
    terraricca
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    kw

    you better read this first before quoting Job 25;4

    Job 26:1 Then Job replied:
    Job 26:2 “How you have helped the powerless!
    How you have saved the arm that is feeble!
    Job 26:3 What advice you have offered to one without wisdom!
    And what great insight you have displayed!
    Job 26:4 Who has helped you utter these words?
    And whose spirit spoke from your mouth?

    Job 26:5 “The dead are in deep anguish,
    those beneath the waters and all that live in them.
    Job 26:6 Death is naked before God;

    August 15, 2015 at 4:40 pm#802178
    kerwin
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    terraricca,

    Nick is the one that introduced Job 25.

    I was pointing out the questions asked in 25:4 were the mystery of Godliness and the answer to that mystery is through faith in Jesus Christ.

    Job is speaking of how they used the words of God to falsely accuse him and not to encourage him.

    August 15, 2015 at 4:52 pm#802181
    terraricca
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    kw

    Job 25:1 Then Bildad the Shuhite replied:

    all chapt 25 is of the friend called Bildad not Job

    August 16, 2015 at 12:56 am#802183
    kerwin
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    terraricca,

    Yes, and he used the word of God to falsely accuse Job of being “one without wisdom”.

    Job himself was guilty of self righteousness in the discussion.

    August 16, 2015 at 1:00 am#802184
    kerwin
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    Terraricca,

    Bildad the Shuhite used the words of Job 25:4 to accuse Job while I pointed out they sum up the mystery of godliness.

    August 16, 2015 at 1:42 am#802185
    GeneBalthrop
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    Kerwin…..JOB 42:7…..”and it was so that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job, the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against you, “AND YOUR TWO FRIENDS”: because you have NOT SPOKEN OF ME the thing that is right, as my servant Job has.

    Now why would you use what Bildad the Shuhite said for somekind of proof as what is right?

    peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene

    August 16, 2015 at 2:13 am#802186
    kerwin
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    Gene,

    I mentioned their sin and that of Job as well for he repented of his sin with these words.

    42 Then Job replied to the Lord:

    2
    “I know that you can do all things;
    no purpose of yours can be thwarted.
    3
    You asked, ‘Who is this that obscures my plans without knowledge?’
    Surely I spoke of things I did not understand,
    things too wonderful for me to know.

    4
    “You said, ‘Listen now, and I will speak;
    I will question you,
    and you shall answer me.’
    5
    My ears had heard of you
    but now my eyes have seen you.
    6
    Therefore I despise myself
    and repent in dust and ashes.”

    It is not wise to use their words in the same way they did but all four men are credited with being humans of God despite their sins or God would not have commanded them to sacrifice beasts for the forgiveness of their sins.

    August 16, 2015 at 2:17 am#802187
    terraricca
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    kw

    Job 25:4 How then can a man be righteous before God?
    How can one born of woman be pure?

    how are those two questions ;;; “they sum up the mystery of godliness.”;;; HAS YOU SAY ? please explain

    August 16, 2015 at 4:36 am#802188
    kerwin
    Participant

    Terrarica,

    The answer to those questions is only through faith in Jesus Christ. (Romans 1:16-17)

    August 16, 2015 at 5:30 am#802189
    terraricca
    Participant

    kw

    you don’t make sense ;for many have been declared righteous way before the coming of Christ

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