Do you see how I tried to be the peacemaker that you claimed to be?  Do you see how I tried to explain to you the difference between an INTENTIONAL act to WILLFULLY deceive someone else on purpose, and somebody making a simple mistake?  Yet I was met with every post from you including the word “lie” – in some condescending further attack on my c…[Read more]

I think this is going little personally as your posts are attacking on personal spirituality which is not warranted on these unending debates. I have also asked you to study the Torah and get enlightened which you seem to ignore and take it so lightly. Please stop this black mailing with words like ‘carnal’ and ‘born  from above’ which are simp…

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Notice my correct response in the blue square.  Notice your immediate attack against my character in the red square. What part of what I said was wrong – or a lie?  Now you will later say that you didn’t *literally* come out and call me a liar – but anyone who reads your comment in the red box above will agree that you were indeed calling me a l…[Read more]

Do you really want to do this again?  Okay.  It started with you posting an illustration of a disk earth with 3 people looking off in different directions.  And you asked if the earth was flat, how could all 3 of those people see the same sky.  And I rightly responded that all 3 people WOULDN’T see the same sky – since they are on different par…[Read more]

Your second example contains your own words which I have no control over. That is not proof or evidence that I have said you are a liar is it?

If you cannot provide even one example Mike, then you are falsely accusing me.

Please provide an example or admit you are wrong.

Thanks.

Excuse me, but the statement I make in your first quote is correct. It stands on its own. Do you think we cannot utter this? Is this statement incorrect? You first example is a fail. It doesn’t show me saying, Mike is a liar for example.

From a year and a half ago…

The next day on the same thread…

And ignore you I did… for over a year.  In fact, I’ve just recently began having some very cursory discourse with you again.

And the above isn’t the only time I’ve called you out for calling other members here liars – as many of them can attest.

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Proclaimer,

You said regarding Heb 1:10:

If the psalmist were speaking of the Son and if God is speaking in Hebrews 1:10-12, then this adds massive confusion. This would mean that God is quoting the psalmist to say that God the Father is not the creator.

Or it means that the Father created through the Son and the Father is saying what He had the…[Read more]

Agreed. He is quick to call others liars, or insinuate that they are less enlightened than him, just because they interpret certain information differently than he does. I have condemned this behavior many times on this forum.

Show me the proof. A link to a post will be sufficient.

Proclaimer:

You said:

So you say that the Father and Son are one theos, so that would make the words “ye are gods” no different as that is a group too.

They are ULTIMATELY one theos because they act together, not independently, as two persons in one governing body.  The ones referred to as “many gods” in 1 Cor 8 or “ye are gods” are not ulti…[Read more]

Proclaimer

This is what was incorrect:

It simply is saying that ‘theos’ can be applied to one or many.

That is what is not true as well as your “sheep list.”

Hi Jodi,

I see that you have been busy. Welcome back. Please tell me how you think “dia” should be translated in Heb 1:2.

in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through “dia”whom He also made the world.

Hi Gadam

You

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Read carefully the following;

The most mediated verse in the Bible during Pandemic; 2 Chr 7:13-14

13 When I shut up the heavens so that there is no rain, or command the locust to devour the land, or send pestilence among my people, 14 if my people who are called by my name humble themselves, pray, seek my face, and turn fr…[Read more]

Hi Adam,

You wrote this verse recently as the remedy that YHVH gave for sin:

2 Chron 7:14 if my people who are called by my name humble themselves, pray, seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.

Have you been seeking His face? If so, what does the face of YHVH looks like?

Gene:  NO WHERE DOES ANY SCRIPTURE ACTUALLY  SAY ,  A physical body can not exist in the kingdom of God.

I never made any such claim.  I claim that flesh and blood (also known as “flesh and bone” – both of which are poetic ways of saying “human being”) cannot see, enter, or inherit the kingdom of God.  If Jesus is a human being, then he’s inel…[Read more]

Hi Adam,

I said this:

You admit that even the Jews understand the scriptures differently amongst themselves. Therefore, how can you use the reason that the Hebrew scriptures do not say _______________ (fill in the blank) therefore it is wrong, if the Jews do not even agree on what the Hebrew scriptures say?

Then you deny that you admitted that.…[Read more]

Adam:  Yes you got the point behind my negation of the NT as it had deviated from its original source and made the mess of every thing.

 

Proclaimer:  Whereas, I see that the mess is in your own mind…

I agree that the mess is in Adam’s mind, and of his own making.

Adam:  The book of Daniel is a non-prophetic book in the Hebrew Bible written in 2nd BCE by a pseudo writer.

Proof please?

Adam:  Hi Proclaimer, you seem to judge others so fast without knowing their heart.

Agreed  He is quick to call others liars, or insinuate that they are less enlightened than him,  just because they interpret certain information differently than he does.  I have condemned this behavior many times on this forum.

That being said, I don’t con…[Read more]

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