Proclaimer:  Anyway, what is the biggest outstanding question or assertion you have and I will answer.

I assert that your meme with three people supposedly all looking north and seeing the southern cross at the same time is rubbish, since it could never be nighttime in all three places at once.

What is your answer?

LU:  If you don’t think that YHVH is Jesus’ Father’s name, then who is Jesus referring to as his father in John 17?

Kathi, the point is that EVERYONE knew that Jesus was referring to Yahweh as both his own God and heavenly Father and our God and heavenly Father.

It’s not like when Jesus claimed to be the messiah/son of God, they all wonder…[Read more]

LU:  Yes that works for that verse.

So in one day you’ve failed the world’s easiest math quiz, the world’s easiest comprehension test, and now the world’s easiest grammar test?  Wow!

Kathi, do you REALLY believe that “their belly is their belly” is the the correct meaning?  REALLY?  Come on, now. 😅

LU:  Let’s not pretend that I haven’t posted those verses many times as the foundation of my understanding.

Let me rephrase my teaching into questions then.

Does the fact that Jesus (in Rev 17:44), Nebuchadnezzar (in Daniel 2:37), and Artaxerxes (in Ezra 7:12) are all called King of kings NECESSARILY mean that they are part of some “Unity Entity…[Read more]

Mike,

You asked: Do they work, Kathi?

Yes that works for that verse. I gotta go do some work. Nice chatting.

Mike, I think that Jesus made known to his followers what his Father’s name is by claiming that Yahweh was his father, like I said.

Do you understand that the one that Jesus refers to as his own father when talking to his followers, is Yahweh?

If so, how do you know?

Jesus’ teaching was all about the God in heaven who was the God of Abraham,…[Read more]

LU:  In Phil 3:19 god =belly or physical appetite for food.

Let’s see…

Philippians 3:19… their god is their belly…

Kathi’s definitions:

1.  their belly is their belly
2.  their physical appetite for food is their belly

Do they work, Kathi?

But then it came to the point that he just wanted to post videos he hadn’t watched and couldn’t explain when pressed, and a bunch of nonsensical memes like this one he just posted…

What rubbish.

The memes and videos all made very good pounts that debunked you. And they were pisted more for people looking for the truth with this subject unlik…[Read more]

Mike: Both questions require a yes or a no, Kathi.  And no, “el” is not “one of God’s literal names”.  El means god, and god is a title, not a literal personal name.  We can address Joe Biden as “President” or “Mr. President”, and people in America would know who we’re talking about, but “president” is not one of Biden’s literal names.  It…

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LU:  Whenever Jesus referred to Yahweh as his father, he identifies his father’s name to his followers. For instance, when he was 12 years old and stayed behind from the caravan and was found teaching in the temple, Jesus identified who his Father was…Yahweh. He said that he was in his father’s house which they knew as Yahweh’s house…and so on.…

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Mike,

You said: Yes, exactly?

Let’s not pretend that I haven’t posted those verses many times as the foundation of my understanding. The problem is not that I don’t use words right out of the Bible translation, it is that one of us believes that Jesus is the literal and only Son of God who is one with his Father as the Head over all creation.

LU: Mike,

Paul would give the same answer.

I’m not sure what you’re talking about, or why you would presume to know what Paul may or may not have done in any particular situation.

LU: You mean like this:

Deut 10:17 For the LORD your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, who does not show partiality, nor take a bribe.

Rev 17:14 These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them because He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him…

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Mike,

You asked:

Btw, I had asked you quite a while ago to DEFINE the word “god” in Phil 3:19.

In Phil 3:19 god =belly or physical appetite for food.

LU:  Very good. I call Jesus the only begotten Son of God too.

Yes I know.  Unfortunately, one of us is apparently oblivious to the FACT that the Son OF God cannot very well BE the very God that he is the Son OF – and therefore, if the son of God in question is a god at all, he must NECESSARILY be a DIFFERENT god.

This is a very easy thing to u…[Read more]

Mike,

You said:

 And no, “el” is not “one of God’s literal names”.  El means god, and god is a title, not a literal personal name.

It is often used as a name for Yahweh. It also can be used as a title.

Mike,

You asked:

Really?  In what NT scripture can I read this literal name of God as Jesus was making it known to his followers?

Whenever Jesus referred to Yahweh as his father, he identifies his father’s name to his followers. For instance, when he was 12 years old and stayed behind from the caravan and was found teaching in the temple, Jesus…[Read more]

Mike,

Paul would give the same answer.

Mike: Kathi, do YOU think the word “name” in John 17:26 refers to God’s literal name?

LU: Yes.

Really?  In what NT scripture can I read this literal name of God as Jesus was making it known to his followers?

LU:  I already answered the second question in that post, btw.

No you didn’t, actually.  Here’s what I asked…

Mike:  Exodus 23:20-22……

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Mike,

You asked:  Why not just teach your understanding using terminology that IS in the Bible?

You mean like this:

Deut 10:17 For the LORD your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, who does not show partiality, nor take a bribe.

Rev 17:14 These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb…[Read more]