• Profile picture of Proclaimer

    The Bible teaching a solid dome hypothesis
    Stop saying that the bible teaches a glass dome / firmament. It doesn’t. Firmament just means sky.

    “And God said, Let the waters swarm with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.”

    Ask yourself. Did the glass dome open up allowing birds to escape?…[Read more]

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    One possible explanation is the dense atmosphere. It blocked out light. Then as then as the atmosphere cleared, the sun’s light filtered through the watery (cloudy) atmosphere. Later in Day four, the atmosphere completely cleared to the point that you could see the actual sun, moon, and stars.

    Another explanation is that darkness here means chaos…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of Lightenup

    Mike,

    You said:

    Satan, of course.  Just like every single commentator on this page (including Barnes and Gill) believes.

    Do they also believe that Jesus was created?

    See how you want to make another ridiculous point.

    Do you think that the true Light that entered the world has some people blinded?

     

  • Profile picture of Lightenup

    Mike,

    You asked:

     Yes or No, please.

    Yes. Not the same part though. There is the “them” part and the “us” part. The Father and Son are of the “US” and the followers of Christ are to be part of the “them.”

    There is an “us” and a “them”…a “we” and a “they.” There will always be an “us” and a “them.” Those in the “US” group are desiring to be a…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of Lightenup

    Mike,

    This is also a ridiculous question of yours:

    You asked:

     Who is right, Kathi?  Proclaimer or the Bible?

    The answer has nothing to do with us both having the same concern about your teaching.  If we have different views of what passage abc means, it is ridiculous to extrapolate that as a reason we couldn’t both be concerned about what yo…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of mikeboll64

    Mike: You say he is a PART of that God .

     

    LU: So does Jesus.

    John 17:20   …You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You.

    John 17:21…  that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.

    So in your mind, is that Jesus saying that his disciples – and all…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of Lightenup

    Another ridiculous comment from you, Mike:

    You asked:

     Are we told anything otherwise about Adam that we aren’t also told about Jesus?

    How about this…

    Gen 2:7 Then the LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being.

  • Profile picture of mikeboll64

    Mike:  2.  And is Jesus the Son OF the God that you worship and serve as the Creator of heaven, earth, sea, and all that is in them?

     

    LU:  I worship both the Father and the Son as the creator of heaven and earth, sea, and all that is in them.

    That’s not what I asked you.  Please directly and honestly answer the question I actually asked.  Thanks.

  • Profile picture of Lightenup

    Mike,

    You said:

    You say he is a PART of that God .

    So does Jesus.

    John 17:20   …You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You.

  • Profile picture of mikeboll64

    Mike: No scripture ever mentions “biological son” in reference to Jesus and God.

    LU:  That is an example of one of your ridiculous arguments that you think should actually be made.

    Great.  Let’s see if the argument actually IS ridiculous, or if maybe you just don’t understand it.

    LU:  A son, by default is a biological offspring of the parent.…

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  • Profile picture of mikeboll64

    LU:  I see two people here that have given you a lot of their time trying to help you and we are both telling you similar things.

    Correction, you are both attacking me personally – instead of my scripturally supported arguments.  Case in point…

    LU:  …you are the one being exposed as the puppet of the master deceiver. It isn’t even hard for…

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  • Profile picture of Lightenup

    Mike,

    You ask:

    2.  And is Jesus the Son OF the God that you worship and serve as the Creator of heaven, earth, sea, and all that is in them?

    I worship both the Father and the Son as the creator of heaven and earth, sea, and all that is in them.

    Rev 5

    13And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and al…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of Lightenup

    Mike,

    You said:

    No scripture ever mentions “biological son” in reference to Jesus and God.

    That is an example of one of your ridiculous arguments that you think should actually be made.

    A son, by default is a biological offspring of the parent. That should be your assumption unless told otherwise. The term “biological son” isn’t used of any son…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of mikeboll64

    Mike:  1. KATHI, WHO EXACTLY IS THE “GOD” THAT YOU WORSHIP AND SERVE AS THE CREATOR OF HEAVEN, EARTH, SEA, AND ALL THAT IS IN THEM?

     

    LU:  YAHWEH, THE GOD OF GODS AND THE LORD OF LORDS.

    2.  And is Jesus the Son OF the God that you worship and serve as the Creator of heaven, earth, sea, and all that is in them?

    LU:  Mike, who exactly do you thi…

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  • Profile picture of Lightenup

    Mike,

    You asked:

    Can you see the similarities?

    I see two people here that have given you a lot of their time trying to help you and we are both telling you similar things. Maybe you should ask YHVH if there is any truth to it instead of just dismissing it.

    Today the pastor was sharing about how he was planning on doing something in ministry…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of mikeboll64

    LU: …you don’t believe that the only begotten God, Jesus, shares the name of YHVH. I do. That very point is blinding you to the gospel of God.

    Does anyone in the NT call Jesus “Yahweh”?  Since not, are Jesus’ apostles who wrote the NT also blinded to the gospel?  (They do, however, call him the servant OF the God who created all things, rig…[Read more]

  • Profile picture of Lightenup

    1.  KATHI, WHO EXACTLY IS THE “GOD” THAT YOU WORSHIP AND SERVE AS THE CREATOR OF HEAVEN, EARTH, SEA, AND ALL THAT IS IN THEM?
    YAHWEH, THE GOD OF GODS AND THE LORD OF LORDS.

    Mike, who exactly do you think is the theos of this age that blinds the mind of the unbelievers?

  • Profile picture of mikeboll64

    Hi Kathi.  I just read every word of your novel, and wanted to point something out.  Here are a couple snippets of things Proclaimer has said recently…

    Proclaimer:  Take gadam for example. He has come to the conclusion that the Bible is myth and Mike just adds more myth and gadam eats it up. They bounce off each other but the sad part is Mike is…

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  • Profile picture of Berean

    Hi Mike

    Proclaimer, if heaven and earth and sun were already in existence by the end of Gen 1:1, why was there darkness over the surface of the deep in Gen 1:2? 

    God question Mike 👍

  • Profile picture of Lightenup

    Mike,

    To sum up all your posts today, you don’t believe that the only begotten God, Jesus, shares the name of YHVH. I do. That very point is blinding you to the gospel of God. In that way, the God of this age (Peter’s righteous God and Savior, Jesus Christ) has blinded you. This is not so different to  the light came into the world and some…[Read more]

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