Proclaimer, I’m still waiting for a DIRECT answer. Are you saying that what happened to allow the light to reach the earth is that a polluted atmosphere cleared up?

Correct. Natural pollution is one explanation. Scripture doesnt tell us for how long the earth was formless and void.

How about you, Berean?  Does the God you worship and serve as the Creator of heaven, earth, sea, and everything in them have a son and servant named Jesus Christ?

Mike:  2.  And is Jesus the Son OF the God that you worship and serve as the Creator of heaven, earth, sea, and all that is in them?

Kathi, what is your “Yes or No” answer to the question?

Proclaimer:  When the Bible talks about kingdoms of the world / earth, it is not talking about the planet. Earth for example just means land, but those ignorant think it means what we call earth today, the whole planet.

Everybody remember these words from Proclaimer.  I will use them against him soon.  In the meantime…

Mike:  You suggest that…

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Proclaimer: …it seems clear that either Jesus was given a vision of all the kingdoms or that he saw the four corners of the earth…  Going up a high mountain was not to get a better view, but is what Jesus did when he went to pray to the Father.

Matthew 4:8-9… The devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the w…[Read more]

Proclaimer: I see. The waters were on the face and plants and seeds on the face of the earth.

And birds fly across the face.

So they are flying over the dome.

Interesting.

Don’t forget to put a bird outside the dome in your flat earth model.

Please stop embarrassing yourself.  If you stand on the shore looking at the ocean, what is the FAC…[Read more]

Danny:  15) If the Earth were truly a sphere 25,000 miles in circumference, airplane pilots would have to constantly correct their altitudes downwards so as to not fly straight off into “outer space;” a pilot wishing to simply maintain their altitude at a typical cruising speed of 500 mph, would have to constantly dip their nose downwards and desc…

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Danny: Hi Mike,

The article “200 Proofs Earth is Not a Spinning Ball”
has many great arguments.
What I’m going to say is hard for me but I will say it anyway:
At this time, I’m no longer convinced that our earth is a globe!
Argument 15 got me thinking.
I will share this argument in the following post.

Dude, I feel your excitement, confusio…[Read more]

The Real Mount Sinai – Shocking Exodus Evidence in Saudi Arabia
A Documentary Revealing Evidence for the Biblical account of the Real Mount Sinai in Saudi Arabia and the Exodus of Israel from the land of Egypt.

Flat Earth “Science” — Wrong, but not Stupid
This lady thinks that Flat Earthers should be taken more seriously. Let’s see what she says. Will watch this now.

Hi to all

Daily Devotional

JESUS ​​PRESENTED THE TRUTH USING FAMILIAR OBJECTS

Jesus tells the crowd all these things in parables. (Matthew 13.34)

The great Teacher spoke the truth to mankind, many of them could not be educated in rabbinical schools or study Greek philosophy. Jesus transmitted the truth to them in a simple and direct way, giv…[Read more]

Does buoyancy do away with the law of gravity?
Flatties disregard gravity and replace it with buoyancy. Is this idea sound or scientific?

No. This is another bad idea created to peddle lies.

DEBUNK STATUS: Debunked

DEBUNK DIFFICULTY: Medium.

I see. The waters were on the face and plants and seeds on the face of the earth.

And birds fly across the face.

So they are flying over the dome.

Interesting.

Don’t forget to put a bird outside the dome in your flat earth model.

Proclaimer:  Genesis 1:2
HEB: וְחֹ֖שֶׁךְ עַל־ פְּנֵ֣י תְה֑וֹם וְר֣וּחַ
NAS: was over the surface of the deep,
KJV: and darkness upon the face of the deep.
INT: and darkness was over the surface of the deep and the Spirit

Genesis 1:2
HEB: מְרַחֶ֖פֶת עַל־ פְּנֵ֥י הַמָּֽיִם׃
NAS: over the surface of the waters.
KJV: moved upon the face of the wat…

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Mike: You say that earth and heaven (including the sun, moon, and stars) were created by the end of Gen 1:1.

Proclaimer: It says that God created the heavens and earth and these things are part of the heavens. So that is what the text says.

Actually, it says “heaven”, not “heavens”.  Secondly, you assume – for no valid reason – that the c…[Read more]

Hilarious Danny. This really challenged you and made you doubt?

Planes fly by altitude and air pressure. So yes, if the plane follows that, then you it can fly around a globe. And on the flat earth, if you travel west say from Australia to South America, then the pilot has to constantly adjust the plane to the right or left, otherwise they will…[Read more]

@gadam123

As for the rest of your post, I will not address as it would take too long. But I am happy to address two points from it that you choose.

This idea of “the ends of the earth” is mentioned in the Bible, which says in Daniel 4:10-11: “These are the visions I saw while lying in bed: I looked, and there before me stood a tree in the middle of the land. Its height was enormous. The tree grew large and strong and its top touched the sky; it was visible to the ends of the earth.” On a rou…

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Now for my next MUST ANSWER question:
SINCE IT IS ABUNDANTLY CLEAR AND NOW ACKNOWLEDGED BY YOU THAT MY ANALOGY MICAH PROPHECY IS TALKING ABOUT LITERAL DAYS, IS THERE ANY SCRIPTURE THAT MAKES IT UNDENIABLY CLEAR THAT WHEN GOD USED THE SAME KIND OF LANGUAGE IN GENESIS 1 (NUMERICAL VALUES AND EVENING/MORNING ATTRIBUTED TO THE DAYS), AND THAT WHEN GOD…[Read more]

Another Bible passage which is interpreted in a similar way is the one in Matthew 4, in which Jesus, tempted by the Devil in the desert, is at some point brought to “a very high mountain” where the Devil showed Him “all the kingdoms of the world”.

gadam, a quick glance in your post show much regurgitated content that has been debunked in this top…[Read more]