Where is Jesus in the Old Testament?

Many argue that Jesus is not mentioned in the Old Testament. Of course many religious Jews believe this to be the case because they do not believe he is the prophecied messiah. But there are also others who are not religious Jews who believe the Old Testament scriptures never mention or allude to Jesus being the messiah. Is this correct? Did the New Testament writers get a little too creative when they claim that Jesus fulfilled prophecies in the scriptures? Let’s take a look.

There is no argument that the New Testament contains gospels, letters, and teachings centred around the theme that Jesus is the Messiah. And we know that the Old Testament talks about the Messiah. But is there enough evidence to link this messiah to Jesus. Is there proof that he fulfilled the prophecies of the coming messiah as written in the Old Testament?

Yes indeed. There are Old Testament scriptures and prophecies that only Jesus of Nazareth has fulfilled. While his name is not mentioned for obvious reasons, Jesus Christ is certainly the only person in history to fulfil the prophecies and scriptures that we will look at.

Isaiah 51

This verse of the suffering messiah clearly speaks of Jesus. If you asked anybody who this verse is talking about, there is no doubt that the average person on the street would say it was Jesus. Even if you asked the average Jew this question, they too would say it is Jesus (Yeshua). Below is a video that proves this statement.

Next, we take a closer look at this chapter. While it seems to clearly point to Jesus Christ, some argue that it is talking about Israel. This is the go to interpretation for those who deny Jesus. Let’s imagine this is true and draw some conclusions from this interpretation to see if it makes any kind of sense. Listed below are the points this chapter makes that do not fit at all with Israel. The list comprises of 4 sentences with the word ‘Israel’ added in to see if it makes any sense. Following on from that, are the actual words of Isaiah 51.

  1. Israel has no beauty or majesty to attract us to him;
  2. Israel took up our pain,  bore our suffering, pierced for our transgressions, and by Israel’s wounds we are healed;
  3. Israel was assigned a grave with the wicked,  and with the rich in his death, though Israel had done no violence;
  4. Israel poured out his life as an offering for sin and will justify many,  and bear their iniquities.

1. Who has believed our message
    and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
    and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
    nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
    a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
    he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
4 Surely he took up our pain
    and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
    stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
    he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
    and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
    each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
    the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
    yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
    and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
    so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away.
    Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
    for the transgression of my people he was punished.
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
    and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
    nor was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
    and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
    and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
    he will see the light of life and be satisfied;
by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
    and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
    and he will divide the spoils with the strong,
because he poured out his life unto death,
    and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
    and made intercession for the transgressors.

If you are fair and unbiased, it seems that Isaiah 51 is talking about Jesus. Further, Israel doesn’t seem to fit in this verse. While somethings could fit, points like suffering and dying for the sins of humanity doesn’t fit with Israel in the slightest.


Psalm 22

Just before Jesus died on the cross for humanities sins, he quoted Psalm 22:1. It is important to know that it was a practice to quote a scripture and the hearers recite the rest of the scripture. It was a good way to remember the scriptures. Jesus quoted the first verse in that Psalm so that the hearers might understand what was happening before their eyes. See Matthew 27:46:

About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?”
(which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).

Now look at Psalm 22:

My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from saving me,
so far from my cries of anguish?
2 My God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
by night, but I find no rest.
3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;
you are the one Israel praises.
4 In you our ancestors put their trust;
they trusted and you delivered them.
5 To you they cried out and were saved;
in you they trusted and were not put to shame.
6 But I am a worm and not a man,
scorned by everyone, despised by the people.
7 All who see me mock me;
they hurl insults, shaking their heads.
8 “He trusts in the Lord,” they say,
    “let the Lord rescue him.
Let him deliver him,
    since he delights in him.”
9 Yet you brought me out of the womb;
you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast.
10 From birth I was cast on you;
from my mother’s womb you have been my God.
11 Do not be far from me,
for trouble is near
and there is no one to help.
12 Many bulls surround me;
strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.
13 Roaring lions that tear their prey
open their mouths wide against me.
14 I am poured out like water,
    and all my bones are out of joint.
My heart has turned to wax;
it has melted within me.
15 My mouth is dried up like a potsherd,
and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
you lay me in the dust of death.
16 Dogs surround me,
    a pack of villains encircles me;
    they pierce my hands and my feet.
17 All my bones are on display;
people stare and gloat over me.
18 They divide my clothes among them
    and cast lots for my garment.

If you look at the above scripture and particularly the verses that are bolded, you will see that they are a very apt description for the death of Jesus. Let’s read what John wrote regarding the time just after the death of Jesus. It spells out some of the prophecies that were fulfilled.

John 19

31 Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jewish leaders did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down.
32 The soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man who had been crucified with Jesus, and then those of the other.
33 But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs.
34 Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus’ side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water.
35 The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe.
36 These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken,”
37 and, as another scripture says, “They will look on the one they have pierced.”

The New Testament writers certainly believed that Jesus fulfilled Old Testament scripture. If you do not believe this to be the case, then ask yourself who in history has fulfilled these. If you are rational about it, you would at least have to admit that Jesus was the lead contender. In fact the only contender to date.


Daniel 3

In the Book of Daniel, it appears that the Son of God makes an appearance with three men who have been cast alive into a furnace. A fourth person appears who King Nebuchadnezzar says “the fourth looks like a son of the gods.” In other words, if the gods had a son, then this was him. Of course, there is but one Almighty God, and yes he does have a son. It is possible that this fourth person is an angel, but throughout the Old Testament an appearance of the Angel of the LORD is frequent. Many say that this is Jesus Christ before he came in the flesh, but others say it cannot be him as the Son of God was never an angel. This view does have a lot of merit though. Let’s address it by first reading Daniel 3:15-25.

15 Now when you hear the sound of the horn, flute, zither, lyre, harp, pipe and all kinds of music, if you are ready to fall down and worship the image I made, very good. But if you do not worship it, you will be thrown immediately into a blazing furnace. Then what god will be able to rescue you from my hand?” 16 Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego replied to him, “King Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter. 17 If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God we serve is able to deliver us from it, and he will deliver us[c] from Your Majesty’s hand. 18 But even if he does not, we want you to know, Your Majesty, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up.” 19 Then Nebuchadnezzar was furious with Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, and his attitude toward them changed. He ordered the furnace heated seven times hotter than usual 20 and commanded some of the strongest soldiers in his army to tie up Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego and throw them into the blazing furnace. 21 So these men, wearing their robes, trousers, turbans and other clothes, were bound and thrown into the blazing furnace. 22 The king’s command was so urgent and the furnace so hot that the flames of the fire killed the soldiers who took up Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, 23 and these three men, firmly tied, fell into the blazing furnace. 24 Then King Nebuchadnezzar leaped to his feet in amazement and asked his advisers, “Weren’t there three men that we tied up and threw into the fire?” They replied, “Certainly, Your Majesty.” 25 He said, “Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of the gods.”

The word Angel is found throughout the Old Testament. It usually refers to heavenly creature who delivers a message from God to humans. However, it can also refer to humans as they can be messengers too. Thus, angel or messenger can be applied to many kinds of being if they are a messenger of God. So this answers the concern that Jesus is not an angel. He actually is an angel or messenger, but not the usual messenger which are usually heavenly cherubs etc.

But there is a also a specific angel called: ‘The Angel of the LORD’ who appears numerous times in the Old Testament, but never in the New Testament. One reason for this could be that this messenger is none other than Jesus Christ before coming in the flesh and who would deny that Jesus is the main Messenger of God?

If this is him, then you would expect no appearances of this messenger during the time Jesus was alive on Earth and this is the case. It is also interesting to note that persons who saw this messenger as recorded in the Old Testament often said that they have seen God even though God himself is invisible. How do we make sense of this? Well in Colossians 1:15-16 we read:

The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.

Colossians certainly fits with Jesus being the Angel of the LORD in the sense that there is no double up of them appearing at the same time and the fact that Jesus Christ is the exact image of the invisible God in bodily form whiches matches the description of seeing God. Let’s read more about the Angel of the LORD to see if this could be the identity of Jesus before he was born into this world.

To be continued.

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  • #309680
    kerwin
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    To all;

    If God chose to place the soul of a beast into the body of a human being is the resulting creature a human being?

    #309681
    kerwin
    Participant

    Gene,

    I already asked what since those in Sheol/Hades shall “neither have they any more a reward” does it mean they will not enter the kingdom of heaven?

    Mike answered it but you did not.

    Jesus soul went to Sheol but on the third day it was clothed in a changed tabernacle; a tabernacle that did not see corruption as David's did.

    While in Sheol/Hades the soul of Jesus saw the thief on the  Paradise side at Abraham's bosom.

    #309690
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 17 2012,16:07)
    i have to ask a question ;what power would the black arts or
    a medium,
    have to waken Samuel 's soul ???a righteous man ?


    You tell me, Pierre.  Does scripture say Samuel was wakened or not?

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 17 2012,16:07)
    the Soul his our written history ,with all our knowledge ,emotions ,wills ,envies ,and deepest sentiments ,a real hardrive so to speak,

    when we will be resurrected we will be exactly the way we were at our dead ,and specially at the second resurrection ,


    I can go along with that.  But what do those things have to do with our spirit, which goes back to Him who gave it when we die?

    See?  Even YOUR own words indicate that our soul is something different than our spirit, because our soul goes to sleep with our fathers, but our spirit goes back to God.

    #309692
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 18 2012,01:40)
    Mike,

    That sounds reasonable, but why isn't the same context applied to the words “but the dead know not any thing”?


    The [souls of the] dead are conscious of nothing at all, Kerwin.  With the exception of Samuel being wakened from his unconscious rest for a minute, this is always the case.  They are asleep with their fathers, until they are wakened by God for the final judgment. While sleeping, they are unaware that they are sleeping, because they are conscious of nothing at all.

    #309694
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 18 2012,02:03)
    While in Sheol/Hades the soul of Jesus saw the thief on the  Paradise side at Abraham's bosom.


    This is possible from the text, Kerwin, but not the most likely understanding, IMO.

    Luke 23:43
    Jesus answered him, “I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.”

    Only one comma, that was placed by English translators, makes it read as you understand it.  But what if we moved that comma?

    Jesus answered him, “I tell you the truth today, you will be with me in paradise.”

    By moving a simple comma, which wasn't even in the original text, we change the meaning from “you will be with me TODAY” to, “I'M TELLING YOU TODAY, that you will [someday] be with me in paradise”.

    I understand the latter. I think Jesus was saying, “I'm telling you RIGHT NOW, that you will EVENTUALLY be with me in paradise.”

    #309696
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 19 2012,02:05)

    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 18 2012,02:03)
    While in Sheol/Hades the soul of Jesus saw the thief on the  Paradise side at Abraham's bosom.


    This is possible from the text, Kerwin, but not the most likely understanding, IMO.

    Luke 23:43
    Jesus answered him, “I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.”

    Only one comma, that was placed by English translators, makes it read as you understand it.  But what if we moved that comma?

    Jesus answered him, “I tell you the truth today, you will be with me in paradise.”

    By moving a simple comma, which wasn't even in the original text, we change the meaning from “you will be with me TODAY” to, “I'M TELLING YOU TODAY, that you will [someday] be with me in paradise”.

    I understand the latter.  I think Jesus was saying, “I'm telling you RIGHT NOW, that you will EVENTUALLY be with me in paradise.”


    Mike B.

    Not you will be eventually with me in paradise;but today you will be with me in paradise.
    It does not mean that he is in paradise now,from our time zone perspective.

    To the thief yes since he is dead; and time stands still for him.
    When he opens his eyes,it will be the same day to him.

    Same with Jesus; he did not go to paradise that same day,from our time perspective.
    He was in the grave for 3 days.

    wakeup.

    #309697
    mikeboll64
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    That is also a good assessment, Wakeup.  I can live with that because I agree that, to the dead, judgment day will seem like they only closed their eyes for a second – not like they've been dead for thousands of years.

    But the fact still remains that the Greek words can be translated as, “Truly I tell you today, that you will be with me in paradise.”

    Do you see how this has a meaning of “I'm telling you today”, and not, “You will be with me in paradise today”?

    #309706
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 19 2012,02:24)
    That is also a good assessment, Wakeup.  I can live with that because I agree that, to the dead, judgment day will seem like they only closed their eyes for a second – not like they've been dead for thousands of years.

    But the fact still remains that the Greek words can be translated as, “Truly I tell you today, that you will be with me in paradise.”

    Do you see how this has a meaning of “I'm telling you today”, and not, “You will be with me in paradise today”?


    Mikeb.

    I agree with that;Just to move the comma can change the meaning.But the wording will not sound proper.

    wakeup.

    #309708
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 19 2012,08:53)

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 17 2012,16:07)
    i have to ask a question ;what power would the black arts or
    a medium,
    have to waken Samuel 's soul ???a righteous man ?


    You tell me, Pierre.  Does scripture say Samuel was wakened or not?

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 17 2012,16:07)
    the Soul his our written history ,with all our knowledge ,emotions ,wills ,envies ,and deepest sentiments ,a real hardrive so to speak,

    when we will be resurrected we will be exactly the way we were at our dead ,and specially at the second resurrection ,


    I can go along with that.  But what do those things have to do with our spirit, which goes back to Him who gave it when we die?

    See?  Even YOUR own words indicate that our soul is something different than our spirit, because our soul goes to sleep with our fathers, but our spirit goes back to God.


    mIKE

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    See?  Even YOUR own words indicate that our soul is something different than our spirit, because our soul goes to sleep with our fathers, but our spirit goes back to God.

    this is because you mixing the spirit (soul that God gives to all )with our spirit (the things we think,and do and forms in our heart )

    in the wicked those are two different spirits ,but in the righteous those two spirit are the same in action and thoughts

    and both are saved for judgement each in is own time

    #309709
    mikeboll64
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    Wakeup, truly I tell you today that I think the wording sounds just fine. :)

    #309710
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 18 2012,10:30)
    this is because you mixing the spirit (soul that God gives to all )with our spirit (the things we think,and do and forms in our heart )


    Pierre,

    1. The soul, spirit, and body are listed IN SCRIPTURE as three different things.

    Can you deny this?

    2. When we die, our body decays, our soul goes to Sheol/Hades, and our spirit goes back to Him who gave it.

    Can you deny this?

    #309713
    terraricca
    Participant

    Mike

    1Sa 28:11 Then the woman asked, “Whom shall I bring up for you?”
    “Bring up Samuel,” he said.
    1Sa 28:12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out at the top of her voice and said to Saul, “Why have you deceived me? You are Saul!”
    1Sa 28:13 The king said to her, “Don’t be afraid. What do you see?”
    The woman said, “I see a spirit coming up out of the ground.”
    1Sa 28:14 “What does he look like?” he asked.
    “An old man wearing a robe is coming up,” she said.

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    You tell me, Pierre. Does scripture say Samuel was wakened or not?

    so you tell me what scriptures tells ,

    did SAUL sew Samuel ? no

    did the medium saw him or was she seeing him in a dream type image,??

    this story as puzzled me for decades to me it seems NO,but many will argue that he did ,and so gives powers more to men (women in this case) than to God ,

    #309716
    mikeboll64
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    And where do you think those men and women get those powers, Pierre? By what power did the medium raise Samuel from his sleep? By what power did the Egyptian priests turn staffs into snakes and water into blood?

    #309717
    mikeboll64
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    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 18 2012,11:14)
    1Sa 28:13 The king said to her, “Don’t be afraid. What do you see?”
    The woman said, “I see a spirit coming up out of the ground.”


    Btw Wakeup, in verse 13, the medium actually says, “I see a god (elohim) coming up out of the ground.”

    #309720
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 18 2012,22:35)

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 18 2012,10:30)
    this is because you mixing the spirit (soul that God gives to all )with our spirit (the things we think,and do and forms in our heart )


    Pierre,

    1.  The soul, spirit, and body are listed IN SCRIPTURE as three different things.

    Can you deny this?

    2.  When we die, our body decays, our soul goes to Sheol/Hades, and our spirit goes back to Him who gave it.

    Can you deny this?


    Mike,

    Pierre is correct but you seem to be correct as well. That which returns to God is not the spirit as in the one that can be lived by. In the other hand there is a spirit that returns to God while the soul descends to Sheol/Hades.

    #309721
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 19 2012,10:35)

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 18 2012,10:30)
    this is because you mixing the spirit (soul that God gives to all )with our spirit (the things we think,and do and forms in our heart )


    Pierre,

    1.  The soul, spirit, and body are listed IN SCRIPTURE as three different things.

    Can you deny this?

    2.  When we die, our body decays, our soul goes to Sheol/Hades, and our spirit goes back to Him who gave it.

    Can you deny this?


    Mike

    I do not deny any of those things ,

    you just understand them,

    MT 10:28 “Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

    does all men carry the same spirit ??? and is that same spirit that goes back to God who gived it ??? I believe that it is the SOUL that we receive but when it goes back ,it is filled with what we have done and so can be judge accordingly,

    MT 16:26 “For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?

    so this scripture shows that it is in our power to do what we want with what we recieved from God our SOUL

    MT 22:37 And He said to him, “ ‘YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.’

    let see the tree components ,the body (flesh) all our hearts ,and our mind (spirit) means intention,our will,our desirs , and all our SOUL; this to me means the combination of all two in the performance of the act of LOVE for God,
    this is the way for men to save his soul,

    LK 12:19 ‘And I will say to my soul, “Soul, you have many goods laid up for many years to come; take your ease, eat, drink and be merry.”’
    LK 12:20 “But God said to him, ‘ You fool! This very night your soul is required of you; and now who will own what you have prepared?’

    JN 12:27 “ Now My soul has become troubled; and what shall I say, ‘ Father, save Me from this hour’? But for this purpose I came to this hour.

    understand this scripture above ,was it the flesh that was troubled ?? was it his mind ?? or was it his mind and soul ??
    his mind for he knew what is coming,but also his soul because he understood that Gods will comes before his own,??

    #309724
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 18 2012,20:57)

    Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 18 2012,01:40)
    Mike,

    That sounds reasonable, but why isn't the same context applied to the words “but the dead know not any thing”?


    The [souls of the] dead are conscious of nothing at all, Kerwin.  With the exception of Samuel being wakened from his unconscious rest for a minute, this is always the case.  They are asleep with their fathers, until they are wakened by God for the final judgment.  While sleeping, they are unaware that they are sleeping, because they are conscious of nothing at all.


    Mike,

    Ecclesiastes 9:5
    King James Version (KJV)

    5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

    The whole sentence has the same context and so the words “the dead know not any thing” has the same context as “neither have they any more a reward”.

    * the living know that they shall die
    * the dead know not any thing for the memory of them is forgotten
    * neither have the dead any more a reward for the memory of them is forgotten

    This is a mystery I find in this passage and that is “Why is “for the memory of them is forgotten” the reason for the dead know nothing or have no memory?

    Jesus teaches us of Sheol/Hades and the rich man knows torment while Lazarus knows pleasure. The rich man knows he has brothers and of Lazarus. So in the parable the dead have knowledge.

    How do these two Scriptures go together?

    #309727
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 19 2012,12:00)
    And where do you think those men and women get those powers, Pierre?  By what power did the medium raise Samuel from his sleep?  By what power did the Egyptian priests turn staffs into snakes and water into blood?


    Mike

    the DEMONs ,Saul was abandon by God and even ad the evil spirit give him an hard time,only when David play music did it calm down,

    when God leave you ,it means you have used up all your credit,and so become fair play for the devil,and his gang

    #309728
    terraricca
    Participant

    Mike

    Quote
    5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

    this is only related to the living on earth ,right ???

    but the SOUL that his were God send them are still in ignorance because they do not have a body ,and what is it that it knows or does it is like a hardrive in a boxe on a shelve ,waiting to be in use again.in the box or on the shelve the drive does not lose any of his info,right ??yes

    #309729
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 19 2012,12:02)

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 18 2012,11:14)
    1Sa 28:13 The king said to her, “Don’t be afraid. What do you see?”
    The woman said, “I see a spirit coming up out of the ground.”


    Btw Wakeup, in verse 13, the medium actually says, “I see a god (elohim) coming up out of the ground.”


    Mike

    do gods comes out of the ground ???

    were was the ground were that vision came out ???

    Saul did not see anything why ???

    so it is only the description of the women that we have right ???yes

    all what has been said by her is well known history to all because Samuel told Saul while he was alive what he ad done .

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