The true meaning of the word ‘God’ – The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God?
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of ‘God’
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources

An important but much overlooked fact when understanding the word ‘God ‘in the bible is that both the Old and New Testament are translated from a number of different words and each original Hebrew or Greek word for ‘God’ have a wide range of uses.

Theos

Theos {theh’-os} is by far the most common Greek word that we translate as God or god. Below are the possible meanings of the word ‘theos’.

1) a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities
3) spoken of the only and true God
3a) refers to the things of God
3b) his counsels, interests, things due to him
4) whatever can in any respect be likened unto God, or resemble him in any way
4a) God’s representative or viceregent
4a1) of magistrates and judges

So the Father is God because of his authority. However God the author also sends messengers with his authority, so when our Father anoints someone to speak His words, that person is can be given the title ‘god’ whether he be an angel or a man. Also, someone or something that takes takes the place of God is also called a god, in particular a false god. In addition, the word god can be used when describing something great, like a great earthquake.

Let’s now look at some biblical verses that apply the word God (Theos) to denote different identities or as a description.

Below we see a verse where the word ‘theos’ is used when referring to the Father.

The Father

Ephesians 1:3 (English-NIV)
Praise be to the God (theos) and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ.

Satan

The word ‘theos’ in the next verse is used to describe Satan / The Devil as he is the god of this world/age.

2 Corinthians 4:4 (English-NIV)
The god (theos) of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God (theos).

Man

The word (theos) is also used to describe man / judges.

John 10:34 (English-NIV)
Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, `I have said you are gods (theos)’

The Old Testament was written in Hebrew and again we see that the word “God” can apply to our Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ, Angelic & Demonic powers, mankind, idols, and even things or events.

El

The NIV & NASB translate the following 3 words as God “el” “eloah” & “elohim”
Each is a generic term, meaning “God” or “mighty one”.
Normally when one of these words occur in the OT, it designates either the true God or something that the pagan nations viewed as a god. In a few instances these words are also used of angels and human beings.

The Father

Below is a scripture that shows that the Father is God.

Malachi 2:10 (English-NIV)
Have we not all one Father ? Did not one God (El) create us?
Why do we profane the covenant of our fathers by breaking faith with one another?

Jesus Christ

The next verse uses the Hebrew word “eloah” which used to describe Jesus.
We will be looking at this scripture in more depth in Part 5 (Scriptures used to support the Trinity Doctrine).

Isaiah 9:6 (English-NIV)
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God (El), Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Idols

The following verse uses ‘Elohim’ to denote idols.

Exodus 20:23 (English-NIV)
Do not make any gods (Elohim) to be alongside me; do not make for yourselves gods (Elohim) of silver or gods (Elohim) of gold.

Elohim

The word “Elohim” is the most common word that is translated God in the Old Testament.

The Father

Genesis 1:1 (English-NIV) says:
In the beginning God (Elohim) created the heavens and the earth.

Man / Judges

“Elohim” can also be ascribed to Man. See next the verse.

Psalms 82:6 (English-NIV)
“I said, `You are “gods” (Elohim); you are all sons of the Most High.’

When Jesus said “you are gods (theos)”, as quoted previously on this page, he was actually quoting the above Psalm.

Angels

And, angels are called gods in Psalm 97:7. This verse is actually quoted in the Hebrews 1:6 and it is referring to the Angels.

Psalm 97:7
All who worship images are put to shame, those who boast in idols; worship him, all you gods (Elohim)!

Earthquake or City

Finally the word elohim can be used to describe something that was exceedingly great like an earthquake or a city.

1 Samuel 14:15
And there was trembling in the host, in the field, and among all the people: the garrison, and the spoilers, they also trembled, and the earth quaked: so it was a very great (elohim) trembling.

Jonah 3:3
So Jonah arose and went to Nineveh according to the word of the Lord. Now Nineveh was an exceedingly (elohim) great city, a three days’ walk.

Conclusion

These scriptures clearly show us the wide usage of the word that we know as God/god. It is a term or title that is used to identify God but is not always used in that sense. Rather it is a term that can apply to many types of authority, to idols, and even to things that are very great.

When the word God is being used to identify an authority, it is important to read the context because The Most High God is completely different to the god of this age and saying that God is always the one true God of Heaven and Earth, then we can mistakenly make Satan the one true God. In other words the type of God that is being referred to is determined by the adjective or context of the sentence. It is incorrect to read the word ‘God’ as the Most High God in every case. In fact the very term ‘Most High God’ leads us to conclude that there must be lesser gods.

We know that the word ‘Elohim’ is a term or title and not a name, but does God have a name? Yes he does. ‘YHWH’ which is called the “tetragrammaton,” meaning “the four letters,” is the revealed name of God, which scholars translate as Yahweh, Jehovah, Yahvah amongst others. Knowing that there is no such letter in Hebrew that makes the sound of a ‘J’, there are many Hebrew names that contain an emphasis on the *Yah* sound. Even Jesus name in Hebrew has this sound. ‘Yahshua’ is Jesus name in Hebrew and it is where we get the English name Joshua. But the word Yahweh is not actually a translation of the tetragrammaton, it is a transliteration meaning the sounds of those original Hebrew letters have been reproduced into another language. Other biblical names that have been transliterated include: Abraham, which in Hebrew is pronounced Abrawhawm and Sarah is pronounced Sawraw. Today if the president of the USA goes to Germany they will pronounce his name rather than change it into a German word of the same meaning. In the same way ‘Yahweh’ should be pronounced exactly the same in all languages.

God first reveals his name in Exodus.3:15 and Psalm 135:13
And Elohim said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, YHWH, Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

God’s response to Moses, shows us clearly that ‘God’ (Elohim) is not a name, but a title and we saw earlier how this particular title can refer to others including men, angels, and false gods.

Understanding the usage of the word theos and elohim in scripture clearly shows that these words are ascribed to more than God Almighty, especially when there is mentions of another person or thing. And the assumption that all who are called theos that are not the Almighty are by reason of that, a false theos, is not true either. Scripture applies theos and elohim in a positive way to men and angels. And can an earthquake be a false God?

Knowing that the Father is predominately the one being referred to when we see the word God, as pointed out, it is not always exclusively the Father. How many times is Jesus called God? Well let’s put it into perspective. Overwhelmingly it is the Father. Secondly, the term is used of false gods. Finally Jesus, angels, men, and Satan are mentioned only once  to a few times.


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  • #814859
    hoghead1
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    Good question, Nick.  The Bible is not a work in metaphysics and so does not give a solid, clear working out of the Trinity. One traditional Trinitarian model is to say  God is like the Sun, and the Son and Spirit like the sunlight.  There has never been a time when there wasn’t sunlight.  Hence, Christ has always existed. Still, there is a problem with saying Christ is the Son, in that implies two separate distinct  egos and also that the Father is the Boss of bosses, the principum and fons of all the rest, God, strictly speaking, with the Son as a mere lieutenant, a lesser divinity,  send to do the Father’s bidding.  As Calvin said, the Father did not come down here, but he who was sent by him: the Father did not suffer and die, but he who was sent by him. Such subrodinationism, of course, undermines the whole idea of the Trinity. That’s why I have said and will say that the Trinity is a very problematic doctrine.

    #814860
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Hogshead,

    Yes trinity is pure confusion.

    Know that God anointed Jesus with the Holy Spirit.

    Know that he was led by the Spirit who spoke and worked through him.

     

    People who do not understand this think that Jesus was talking about himself.

    #814863
    kerwin
    Participant

    hogshead1;

    Yes, definitely. The passage is saying the Word is God.

    Many in the church are taught to misunderstand those words for “the word” is not the Christ Person and “is” is not saying what kind he is but instead it is describing the qualities of the word.

    The teaching of that there was three persons of the one God kind did not exist in the first century but arose afterwards possibly due to the imperial cults that existed among the Gentile nations. Because of its lack the Jews that John writes to would not interpret the words to mean the Christ is the one God kind.

    In short we have to put aside the things we have been taught and look at Scripture from the eyes of those the words are addressed to.

    #814865
    kerwin
    Participant

    hogshead1,

    Should it not read “the Word was in the form of God”?

    Perhaps I misunderstood you as these words are the equivalent of saying “the word has the qualities of God”.

    #814887
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Hoghead1,

    I’ve been studying the Bible for over 40 years, and have learned much in that time.
    I’m interested is sharing new information that people have yet to consider,
    rather than going over the same old tired arguments without resolution.
    Read through my posts on this thread and tell me what you think:

    Trinity and non-Trinity

    ____________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #814894
    hoghead1
    Participant

    Hello, Kirwin,

    I’m not quite sure I understand what you are getting at.  Jn. makes  clear the Word is God.

    I tis true that no one comes to Scripture, with a blank mind.  Everyone reads Scripture through a lens, generally their church’s teachings.

    The term “person,” as used in the early Trinitarian formulas does not mean “person” in the same sense we use this term today.

     

     

    #814895
    hoghead1
    Participant

    Hello, Ed,

    I have limited time and cannot read through all you previous posts.  Wish I cold, but I can’t.  If there are some particular ones you want me  to look at, I would be happy to do so.

    #814896
    hoghead1
    Participant

    Hello, Nick,

    Are you saying Christ is not God? As I said before, the Bible is ambiguous here.  Some passages clearly state that he is; others that he isn’t.

    #814898
    hoghead1
    Participant

    Yes, Jn. is saying the Word  has the qualities of God.  The passage affirms that Christ is God.

    #814899
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi hoghead1,

    I say what Jesus Christ said-that he is the Son of God.

    Should we argue with him?

     

    Before he was taken up he said he was returning to his God and our God.

    Jn 20.17

     

    Do you disagree?

    #814902
    hoghead1
    Participant

    Hi, Nick,

    We need to be clearer on what he means by son of God. And that isn’t easy.  In some biblical passages, Christ is equated with God and presents himself that way.  In others, Christ presents a subordinationalistic  view of  himself, which isn’t Trinitarian. That’s one of the major dilemma of the Trinity.

    #814904
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi hoghead,

    There is no trinity spoken of in scripture.

    Should we add this human concept?

    If you understand that is all about the Spirit of God using human vessels then there is no confusion.

    2 Tim 2.20f

    #814906
    hoghead1
    Participant

    Hi, Nick,

    I am well aware that  the term “Trinity” is not used in Scripture .  I am also aware of the fact that the Trinitarian doctrines are largely extra-biblical in nature and use terms foreign to Scripture. Nevertheless, Scripture implies a Trinity.  I have no trouble applying human concepts.  As I mentioned  in a previous post, I view al knowledge as analogous knowledge.  We have to generalize from the familiar to the unfamiliar.  Since what we know best is human existence, there must be some genuine likeness or uniformity between ourselves and God, or we haven’t got an inkling what’s going on.

    #814907
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi hoghead1,

    If you are taught trinity then it is natural when you read scripture to see this concept implied.

    But the fact that it is nowhere written should cause us to drop it completely.

    It divides what are not divided. God is one with His Spirit.

    It makes several gods but God is one.

    babylonian confusion.

     

    #814912
    hoghead1
    Participant

    But ,Nick, as I readily explained, the Trinity is strongly implied in Scripture.  So for me,one really can’t just up and drop it. I cannot dismiss the whole Trinity, with a simple stroke of teh pen.  Nor can endorse all Trinitarian formulations, with a simple stroke of the pen.   I appreciate that the doctrine is very complex, that we are dealing with a very complicated issue here. I am convinced the problems all have to do with the Hellenic concept of God and God’s perfections, which classical  theism used.

    #814916
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi hoghead1,

    It depends who you serve.

    The Lord God wrote the scriptures through men.2 peter

    The speculations of men are carnal.

     

    #814926
    hoghead1
    Participant

    True, Scripture was written by men, i.e., males, and therefore reflects their prejudices.   However, all we have is human thinking and speculation.  There is no way for us t step outside our humanness.  So carnal  it may be, human wisdom is all we have and therefore cannot be completely invalid.

    #814927
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi hoghead 1,

    Not so.

    If man is our hope we are lost.

    Pay attention to scripture as Jesus did.

    We are given tools from scripture to establish truth .

    Try 2 Cor 13.1 and the verses in scripture that say the same thing.

     

    Thy word is a lamp to my feet

    ps 119

    #814929
    kerwin
    Participant

    hogshead,

    was a form of the word be.

    Simple Definition of be

    —used to indicate the identity of a person or thing

    —used to describe the qualities of a person or thing

    —used to indicate the condition of a person or thing

    Many teach that was means that the word has the identity of God but doing so there reveal there ignorance Hebrew monotheism. No devout and knowledge believe would see the word being identified as God nor the condition of being God. Instead such an individual would see that the word has the qualities of God. It is a teaching that was already among the people of God in the first century.

    There are Trinitarians that acknowledge this but also claim being the one true God is among those qualities. That is because they have been taught that and do not consider the unwritten context of the beliefs of the people of that time. I could claim that Jimi Hendrix is the god of guitars and all I mean is that he exceeds all others in playing them. In conclusion the qualities of the word do not include being the one true God.

    #814936
    Ed J
    Participant

    Scripture was written by men, i.e., males, and therefore reflects their prejudices.

    Hi Hoghead1,

    Have you considered the possibility that creation is God’s own self-evolution from unconsciousness and mere potentiality into self-consciousness, personality, and self-actualization? Those are intriguing possibilities I am interested in.

    The culture you describe is here:
    Have you read the book of Urantia?

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