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Revelation 1:8

Revelation 1:8
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

The scripture says it was the “Lord God” according to most translations, so it is clearly referring to the Father. But some argue that it is talking about Jesus because the context or verses before this one are in deed talking about Jesus. So let’s dig deeper and see if this means that Revelation 1:8 is also talking about Jesus.

In the beginning of the book in Revelation 1, it says that there is an actual angel speaking the words of the Revelation and it is this angel who quotes Jesus, who in turn quotes the Lord God.

Revelation: 1-1
The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

Then in verse 4 & 5 we see this snippet:
4 Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne, 
5 AND from Jesus Christ,

So it is clearly talking about God and then Jesus as another. It then continues to talk about Jesus right up to verse 7 and so the argument goes that verse 8 is also Jesus. However, it clearly identifies “The Lord God” as being the one who is the Alpha and Omega. And we know that Jesus got his revelation from this God.

Revelation 1:8
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

But let’s imagine for a minute that it is actually referring to Jesus even though it clearly is not. Even if that were the case it still doesn’t teach the Trinity. Either way you argue it, neither view teaches the Trinity. The term first and last can have many contexts. I could be the first and the last regarding this web site. I was definitely the first to post here, and if I outlive all of the active members here, then I would be the last. So the term first and last certainly doesn’t make me God or part of a Trinity does it.

However, as has been clearly demonstrated above, it is the Father who is the Alpha and Omega in verse 8 of the Book of Revelation.

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  • March 2, 2017 at 6:38 pm#818823
    AndrewAD
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    I do think Paul thought of Jesus as an angel/spirit in his preexistence-in the form of God.And I understand how the angel of the Lord appearances in the OT can be thought of as Christ.I’ve even said this on this forum before.But to say Jesus was the Jehovah that appeared on Sinai and gave the Law I don’t see the NT teaching. Do you think it really was Jehovah that appeared and gave the law to Moses? Exodus says it was Jehovah and he came to the door of the tabernacle and talked to Moses face to face.Why should we not believe this? even if we only accept the later story that only God’s backparts were seen it still implies he’s in the form of a man. And if it was really Jesus that appeared on Sinai then why protest if people call Jesus Jehovah or God? In terms of the NT was it the Father or the Son that appeared to Moses and gave the law? If it be the Father then clearly he’s been seen and if it be the Son then clearly he’s Jehovah and perhaps even his own father.

    But what saith Paul in Galatians?3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Here Paul claims the law was ordained by angels,and Stephen says the same in Acts7:53. Does this means it was angels who gave the law or appeared at Sinai? And if this is so then why didn’t Exodus say this? Is this angels interpretation not another later revelation which changes the first yet again,and from what I understand is what the Pharisees also taught.

    Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. Paul isn’t saying Christ is also a schoolmaster that brings us to Christ. If so then why not just stay under the schoolmaster?

     

     

    April 21, 2020 at 7:53 pm#863234
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Scripture states

    No one has ever seen God;

    No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him;

    And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form.

    Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen;

    The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

    April 21, 2020 at 7:59 pm#863235
    Berean
    Participant

    Amen!!!

    April 21, 2020 at 9:57 pm#863237
    Togel
    Participant

    Joh 14:23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and WE WILL come to him and make OUR HOME with him.

    April 21, 2020 at 10:53 pm#863238
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Yes. We can be one with God and one with Jesus Christ just as Christ is one with God.

    I and the Father are one…

    …that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

    This oneness doesn’t negate the fact that no man can see God. More importantly however, this oneness helps the world believe that Jesus was sent by God. Division of course will not help.

    April 21, 2020 at 11:18 pm#863239
    Togel
    Participant

    What are we talking about? This topic is from years ago.. I think we are talking about the divinity of Jesus Christ. People here are Unitarians, right? You do not believe that Jesus is God as much as the Father is God, right? Or what are we talking about?

    April 22, 2020 at 1:52 am#863241
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Togel,  welcome to the site,  you have it right concerning me and Jodi, and I think Mike , just a few here believe in ONE,  and “ONLY ” ONE “true”  GOD.  Most believe the way trinitarians believe.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

    April 22, 2020 at 2:56 am#863243
    Togel
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    Thank you for the welcome 🙂 Actually I was here some years ago…
    Yes, I am definitely in the mainstream Trinitarian belief…

    Thank you, peace and love to you and yours too 🙂

    May 1, 2020 at 9:54 pm#863572
    Ed J
    Participant

    Joh 14:23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and WE WILL come to him and make OUR HOME with him.

    Yes Togel,

    Jesus returned in spirit form on Pentecost!

    “I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.” (John 14:18)

    (2 Corinthians 5:16) “Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea,
    though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more (after the flesh).”

    ____________
    God bless
    Ed J

    May 5, 2020 at 7:57 am#863687
    Jodi
    Participant

    Hi All,

    Jesus is a servant unto our heavenly Father our Almighty God who is the Alpha and the Omega, ALL THINGS ARE UNTO THE GLORY OF OUR FATHER. Jesus is the CHOSEN human, the man ordained by God to judge us.

    Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

    Mark 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

    Phil 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

    Phil 4:19 But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus. 20 Now unto God and our Father be glory for ever and ever. Amen. 

    Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of HIM that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, HE that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

    Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

    Our ONE GOD THE FATHER makes all things new through our lord Jesus where our Father’s Spirit is directing all His ways. 

    6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

    7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

    1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every MAN (HUMAN) in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. 

    ALL is to the GLORY of our ONE GOD THE FATHER, He is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, of which He declared that end from the beginning. 

    Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

    5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to Him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

    7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

    He comes in the glory of His Father who promised to raise us from the dead as He did Jesus at Jesus’s return, why we read the next verse say, 

    8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord,which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

    Isaiah 13:5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land. 6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

    Isaiah 11:3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: 4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. 

    The Day of the LORD is the day that our LORD, our heavenly Father, brings forth the day of our lord Jesus Christ’s return where through our LORD’S Spirit upon our lord Jesus he raises up those who are his and he puts enemies under his feet. Our lord Jesus judges not by his own eyes and ears but through our heavenly Father’s Spirit. 

    9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, 11 Saying,I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

    Rev 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. 11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. 16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. 17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

    Isaiah 41:4 Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he……8 But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend. 9 Thou whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called thee from the chief men thereof, and said unto thee, Thou art my servant; I have chosen thee, and not cast thee away.

    Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. 7 And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them. 

    Isaiah 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: 11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.

    Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; ..

    30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

    Again,

    Phil 4:19 But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus. 20 Now unto God and our Father be glory for ever and ever. Amen. 

    May 5, 2020 at 2:33 pm#863714
    Togel
    Participant

    Jodi,
    Then explain this verse:

    Joh 14:23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and WE WILL come to him and make OUR HOME with him.

    Jesus and the Father will come and make THEIR home with those who love Jesus. If Jesus is a mere man, this is definitely is a blasphemy!! There are now billions of believers, and in them all there is the Spirit of Jesus and the Father… so, Jesus could not be just a mere man!
    Please do not read only ONE side of the Scripture and disregard the OTHER side!

    Jesus also has the power to send the Holy Spirit of God… how can a mere man has such a power?

    Jesus also said that He will resurrect His Body:

    Joh 2:19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” 20 The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?”
    21 But he was speaking about the temple of his body.

    So, who raise Jesus from among the dead? God. But Jesus said that He will raise His body.. so that is saying that Jesus is God…

    When Thomas called Jesus ho kurios mo kai ho theos mo.. My Lord and My God! John 20:28, Jesus did NOT correct Thomas.. so Jesus approves what Thomas said, which means Jesus, as the Son of God, is also God like the Father.
    I am not saying that glory must not go to the Father.. yes, that verse is true, but so are the verses that talks about the Divinity of Jesus.

    Jesus is the way to the Father.. but that way is Divine, although our final destination is the Father.

    May 5, 2020 at 4:02 pm#863715
    Jodi
    Participant

    Hi Togel,

    Thanks for reading my post and giving a reply.

    YOU:

    Jodi,
    Then explain this verse:

    Joh 14:23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and WE WILL come to him and make OUR HOME with him.

    Jesus and the Father will come and make THEIR home with those who love Jesus.

    ME:

    Speaking of the son of David,

    1 Chronicles 17:11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be of thy sons; and I will establish his kingdom. 12 He shall build me an house, and I will establish his throne for ever. 13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee: 14 But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore.

    Bringing it back to Rev 1,

    :5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

    The MAN Jesus, the son of David who God had promised He would be a Father to, is also promised to enter God’s house. They share a house.

    Don’t forget we are said to be joint heirs with Christ being heirs of God. Jesus entered God’s house and we are to enter sharing their house. 

    Togel, why don’t you explain how it is that we are told that we are joint heirs with Christ being heirs of God.

    May 5, 2020 at 5:20 pm#863716
    Togel
    Participant

    Jodi,

    You got it wrong Brother… it’s Jesus and the Father making THEIR home IN US! So, the Holy Spirit is basically the Spirit of the Father and the Spirit of Christ, because we know that it is the Holy Spirit that indwells in us.

    Ro 8:9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.

    Dean Braxton, there are a lot of videos in Youtube of his testimonies, when he died from a lot of illnesses, he went to heaven, and when about to enter heave, Jesus looked at him and saw Himself (Jesus) inside him, and so he got in. No Jesus within, and you will not get in.

    This shows Jesus’ divinity.

    No Christian ever denies that Jesus was a man… yet, He who became man was not mere man like the rest of us.

    You definitely cannot explain that verse.. so you should not have asked me to explain that verse.. but actually what ‘we are joint heirs with Christ’ means that we will rule the kingdom together with Christ, to replace the heavenly beings that are currently ruling the kingdom… you can watch Dr. Michael Heiser on that.. including here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7OKTgHhmiM

    In short, if you people deny Jesus’ divinity, then you are practically being heretical, because the Scripture clearly says that Jesus is divine, whether or not you accept it.

     

    May 6, 2020 at 2:29 am#863717
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Togel…….Jodi’s post # 863714,  is “exactly” right, she has not added her own conjectures to any of the scriptures she had “directly” quoted from scriptures, and make perfect sense, to all who love the truth.

    Where Jesus said we shall come to a person means,  Jesus is and was doing the one will of God, he is a human being doing the complete will of God, by the Fathers Spirit dwelling in him, so wherever the Spirit of the Father is at work so is he, and everyone also who has the Spirit of God in them are one with God also.  That applies to all who have the  Spirit of the Living God in them,  haven’t you ever read, where Jesus said I in you and you in me, and he was in the Father and the Father was in him, so where ever the Father is so are those who have His Spirit in them.

    GOD IS A SPIRIT, so if his Spirit dwell in you, you are one with him, remember Jesus saying this, “me and the Father are one”? 

    One in Spirit, not one in being, as you people falsely believe.  The greatest error of so-called “christanity” is seperating Jesus’ human identity from the rest of humanity’s.  That is exactly what Satan wants  you to do, make Jesus different the us, move him away from humanity, so he sets him up a another God, to make people think GOD the Father m can do in you what he did in the Man Jesus.

    But what does scripture say?,  “until “we all”  come unto the measure and “full stature”  of Jesus Christ, and we must do it the same way he did it also. That’s how we come to the Father , the “same way” Jesus did. By that “same SPIRIT, working in us exactly as he did in him. 

    True believe never “seperate” Jesus from themselves, as fallen christanity  has done. 2ths2.  Explains what fallen Christanity has done with the Man Jesus. If you have eyes to see.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

    May 6, 2020 at 3:01 am#863719
    Togel
    Participant

    Unfortunately, you have in fact added your own twisted interpretation of that verse. Jesus is equalizing Himself with the Father by saying that He and the Father will come and dwell within us. He is claiming omnipresence and omnipotence.

    Have you ever found the term ‘the Spirit of Peter’ or ‘the Spirit of Paul’ or the Spirit of Matthew in the Scripture? No! Never! But that’s what you’re trying to say… as if we can be of equal status with Christ entirely! No we can’t… we are just mere human beings but Christ is different, although He has become one of us. Paul equalizes the Spirit of Christ with the Spirit of God:

    Ro 8:9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.

    the Spirit of God is the Spirit of Christ.. and so Christ is God. Can you say that of your own spirit? The Spirit of Gene is the Spirit of God? That’s blasphemy!

    Again, Thomas called Jesus his Lord and his God.. and Jesus did NOT correct him.. but you guys are trying to correct him in Jesus’ place. You guys are truly lost.. repent before your judgement come… please…

     

    May 6, 2020 at 3:41 am#863720
    Jodi
    Participant

    Hi Togel,

    YOU: Jesus and the Father making THEIR home IN US! So, the Holy Spirit is basically the Spirit of the Father and the Spirit of Christ, because we know that it is the Holy Spirit that indwells in us.

    ME: What you say is not what I see the scriptures teach.

    There is ONE SPIRIT and it is our ONE GOD THE FATHER’S. Jesus being the promised son of Jesse and David received this Spirit making him an anointed of the Spirit, we are promised to receive the full measure of the Spirit as Jesus has, when he returns.

    2 Thes 2: 13 But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Where unto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Romans 8:6 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. 

    Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

    Luke 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

    Ephes 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

    John 15: 26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

    John 3: 34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

    Togel, Jesus received the Spirit and it dwells in him, he is not the Spirit. The Spirit came upon him an anointing where he was sent to set us at liberty.

    When he died you are told that he was raised receiving the Holy Spirit according to a promise. You are told prophecy fulfilled where on that day of his resurrection the son of David was begotten by God and we are told that he is a human who is first begotten of the dead, the firstborn of many brethren. 

    Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

    either way, if Romans 8 is speaking of the “spirit” of Christ or the “Spirit” of Christ, there is but One Spirit that dwells in us and is promised to dwell in us in full measure at the Son of Man’s return.

    The spirit of Jesus was anointed with God’s Spirit, thus the spirit of Jesus the anointed is a spirit led by God’s Spirit, and we too need to be of a spirit that is led by God’s Spirit like Jesus. 

    The Spirit of Christ, meaning the Spirit of the Anointed, is the Spirit of God dwelling in Jesus’s spirit.

    May 6, 2020 at 5:22 am#863722
    Berean
    Participant

    TO ALL

    He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
    [16] And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
    [17] And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

    For the Jews who did not believe, Jesus was the son of the carpenter and Mary.
    Peter answered him well because it was the Father who revealed to him that Jesus is his own Son;

     

    WHO CAN FORGIVE SINS?

    When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.
    [6] But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,
    [7] Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?
    [8] And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?
    [9] Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and take up thy bed, and walk?

    [10] But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)
    [11] I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy bed, and go thy way into thine house.

    https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/mark-2-7.html

    Mark 2:7Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies?
    &c.] They took Christ to be a mere man, and reasoned with themselves, that he must be a blasphemer, in assuming that to himself, which was peculiar to God: they seem astonished at his words, and wonder at his arrogance, and to be filled with indignation and resentment at him; saying,

    who can forgive sins but God only?
    this was a generally received maxim with them, and a very just one. The Chaldee paraphrase of ( Job 14:4 ) , runs thus;

     

    who can give a pure man out of a man that is defiled with sins, but God, who alone is he, (hyl qwbvy yd) , “that can pardon him?””
    They even deny that Metatron, so they call the angel in ( Exodus 23:20 ) , of whom they say, that his name is as the name of his master, has a power of forgiving sins; for which reason the Israelites rejected him as a messenger F9. They were right in saying, that none but God could forgive sin, against whom it is committed; but wrong in charging Christ with blasphemy on this account; because he is truly God, as well as man, as his omniscience and omnipotence hereafter manifested, did abundantly show.

    That no mere creature can forgive sin, is certain: good men may, and ought to forgive o ne another, and even their very enemies; but then they can only forgive sin as an injury done to themselves, NOT AS COMMITED AGAINST GOD.

    The ministers of the Gospel may be said to remit sins ministerially, or declaratively, by preaching the doctrine of pardon, declaring, that such as believe in Christ shall receive the remission of sins; but for any man to assume such a power to himself, as to grant pardons and indulgences, to absolve from sins, is anti-christian, as the pope of Rome does; in which he takes that to himself, which is peculiar to God; so that he, as God, sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God, ( 2 Thessalonians 2:4 ) . Nor can any man procure the forgiveness of his sins by any thing he has, or can do; not by his riches, which will not profit in a day of wrath, they being not a sufficient ransom price for a man’s self, or any of his brethren and friends; nor by his repentance, for though this, and remission of sins, go together in grace and experience, yet repentance is not the cause of remission of sins, but rather the effect of remission applied; nor by his faith, for faith does not procure, but receives this blessing: and much less by good works, for then the forgiveness of sins would not be according to the riches of grace; and a man would be saved by his works, since a principal part of salvation lies in the pardon of sin; and besides the blood of Christ would be shed in vain. That God only can forgive sin, is evident, because it is against him, and him only, that men sin: sin is a transgression of his law, a contrariety to his nature, and a contradiction of his will, an affront to his justice and holiness, a contempt of him, who is the lawgiver, that is able to save and to destroy; it is of the nature of a debt, which he only can loose from. Moreover, if there were any besides himself that could forgive sin, he would have one equal with him, and like unto him; whereas, “who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity?” ( Micah 7:18 ) . This is a prerogative peculiar to him, which he challenges to himself: “I even I am he that blotteth out thy transgressions”, ( Isaiah 43:25 ) , but then this is common to all the three divine persons in the Godhead, Father, Son, and Spirit. The Father, he has prepared this grace in his own heart; for the moving cause of it, is his sovereign grace and mercy; he has promised and secured it in the covenant of his grace; he set forth, and sent forth his Son to obtain it, by the shedding of his blood, that so his justice might he satisfied; and it is for Christ’s sake he forgives all trespasses. The Son of God is concerned in it: as man, his blood was, shed for it; and that being the blood, not of a mere man, but of him that is God, as well as man, it was effectual to that purpose; it is in his name that it is preached, and he is exalted as a Saviour to give it; and as the advocate of his people he calls for it, and requires it; and as he is truly and properly God, he has equal power to bestow it, and apply it as his Father. The holy Spirit, as he makes men sensible of their need of it, he shows it to them, and their interest in it; he sprinkles the blood of Christ upon their consciences, and declares them pardoned through it; he bears witness of the truth of it to them, and seals it up unto them; so that it is wholly of God. 

    May 6, 2020 at 5:56 am#863724
    Ed J
    Participant

    Jodi,

    You got it wrong Brother… it’s Jesus and the Father making THEIR home IN US! So, the Holy Spirit is basically the Spirit of the Father and the Spirit of Christ, because we know that it is the Holy Spirit that indwells in us.

    Ro 8:9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.

    Go Togel go!

    ____________
    God bless
    Ed J

    May 6, 2020 at 5:57 am#863725
    Jodi
    Participant

    Hi Berean,

    APPLY the fact that Isaiah’s prophecies are not yet completed. 

    Who judges you and how is it that he judges? 

    A man ordained of God judges you. 

    A man who has God’s Spirit upon him, an anointing. 

    A man who does not judge by his own eyes and ears. 

    Jesus judges us through his God and our God, as our God directs all of Jesus’s ways.  

    May 6, 2020 at 6:18 am#863729
    Jodi
    Participant

    Hi All,

    Jesus is the man who executes his God and our God’s purpose. Jesus does nothing of himself, he does all things through our God directing all his ways. 

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