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Supporting the Trinity Doctrine? – The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God?
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of ‘God’
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources

This page is dedicated to the scriptures that people use when supporting the Trinity Doctrine. We look at why they are used to support this doctrine and test their hypothesis to see if they stand the test of scrutiny.

Each scripture is listed with a link to its own page showing biblical evidence as to why these are not supporting the Trinity Doctrine.

Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

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Is Jesus called God in 1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)?

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Did Thomas call Jesus, his God in John 20:28 (KJV)?

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Because YHWH calls himself “I am”  in Exodus 3:13-14, did Jesus claim to be Yahweh when he said “I am” in John 18:5-6?

5 “Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “I am he,” Jesus said. (And Judas the traitor was standing there with them.)
6 When Jesus said, “I am he,” they drew back and fell to the ground.

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1 John 5:7 lists the three so-called persons of the Trinity and says they are one. Does this prove the Trinity?

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

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Does Isaiah 9:6 prove the Trinity because it calls Jesus the mighty God?

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”‘

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Does the baptismal formula in Matthew 28:19 prove the Trinity Doctrine?
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

John 1:1 says the Word was God. Does that mean that Jesus is God because he is the Word?

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

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John 1:18 calls Jesus ‘the begotten God”. Does this prove that Jesus is God and provide support for the Trinity Doctrine?

“No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Is Jesus called the Alpha and Omega in Revelation 1:8, thus making him God?

8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

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Colossians 2:9-10 says that Christ is the fullness of the Deity. Does this make Jesus God?

9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.

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Philippians 2:6 says he existed in the form of God. Is this scriptural proof that Jesus is God?
who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,.

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Does Mark 12:36 support the Trinity Doctrine because of the usage of ‘Lord’?

David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared: “`The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.”

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Did Jesus claim to be God in John 10:33 according to an accusation made by some Jews?

“We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

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Was Jesus inferring he was God in John 5:18-19 when the Jews said he was making himself equal with God ?

18 For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
19 Jesus gave them this answer: “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Does the word “us” in Genesis 1:26 mean that God consists of plural persons as the Trinity Doctrine teaches?

Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness

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Did Jesus infer that he was God in John 10:30 when he said he was one with the Father?

“I and the Father are one”.

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Hebrews 1:6 states that Jesus is worshipped by angels. Does that make him God?

And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

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Does Hebrews 1:8 state that God called Jesus, God?

But concerning the Son, “Your throne O God is forever and ever.”

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Does Isaiah 48:11 support of the Trinity Doctrine because God does not give his glory to another?

For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

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Does Titus 3:4-6 support the Trinity Doctrine because God is called our saviour?

4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared,
5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior,

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Does Revelation 1:8 & Revelation 1:17-18 prove that God is a Trinity because of the term First and Last?

Revelation 1:8
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.
&
Revelation 1:17-18
And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.
“I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen.

Read why these verses do not teach the Trinity →

Does Deuteronomy 6:4 and Genesis 2:24 prove that God is a Trinity because ‘one’ means ‘unity’?

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
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Genesis 2:24
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

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Does Isaiah 45:23 & Philippians 2:10-11 read together prove that Jesus is God because we will bow to God?

Isaiah 45:23
By myself I have sworn,  my mouth has uttered in all integrity  a word that will not be revoked:
Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.
&
Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Read why these verses do not teach the Trinity →

Does 1 Peter 2:6-8 & Isaiah 8:12-15 read together prove that Jesus is God because he is the stumbling stone?

1 Peter 2: 6-8
6 For in Scripture it says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”
7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,”
8 and,“A stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall.”
&
Isaiah 8:12-15
11 For Jehovah spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying,
12 Say ye not, A conspiracy, concerning all whereof this people shall say, A conspiracy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be in dread thereof .
13 Jehovah of hosts, him shall ye sanctify; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
15 And many shall stumble thereon, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.

Read why these verses do not teach the Trinity →

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  • November 30, 2013 at 1:33 am#777612
    DavidL
    Participant

    I share with you my understanding and you blindly retort that I’m identified with Babylon…and need to repent of idol worshiping…!!!
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    you think I’m deceived because I won’t accept your one selected verse as proof against the trinity…a verse you “use” in a way Jesus never intended it to be used…(to deny His own Deity), and that you somehow think validates your false doctrine… (when John 1:1 clearly blows your false concept clean out of the water) –
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    You talk about the love of the truth, but this is exactly WHY your doctrine is rejected – your deceitful tactics are as obvious as the JW’s…and prove only that you are as equally devoid of the Spirit’s guidance…!!!

    November 30, 2013 at 1:37 am#777613
    DavidL
    Participant

    so again I ask you….what part of what I shared relates to this Babylonian trinity you are so obsessed with…?

    November 30, 2013 at 6:06 am#777614
    Admin
    Keymaster

    The Trinity is the answer you are looking for. It originated in Babylon. You cannot show one scripture that teaches the Trinity because its origin is not in scripture. So it originated elsewhere. And when you go back as far as you can, there is Babylon. Tamuz th son was even born on Dec 25.

    November 30, 2013 at 7:30 am#777615
    DavidL
    Participant

    Your Babylonian teaching is completely off track – when the trinity (complete unity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) is traced back to it’s origin, you end up in Genesis 1:1 (not Babylon) – I have shown you many Scriptures that reveal the trinity…But it is the Apostle John who points us back to the very first verse of Scripture, revealing Father and Son together in the one word “GOD” – (and in the next verse the Holy Spirit is also at work in creation)…of course you only see what you want to see..because you’ve already committed to a doctrine that is at odds with the whole revealed Word of God..and so you can’t acknowledge what you don’t want to be true..you have too much at stake, and are locked into your deception..now you can only hope against hope that in the end your house of cards won’t be blown away..but sadly the whole foundation of your teaching is wrong.

    November 30, 2013 at 2:32 pm#777616
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    david

    you did not give me another scripture that support Mat 28;19,

    I would like to see where the connection is made from ,

    December 1, 2013 at 12:52 am#777617
    Admin
    Keymaster

    Our own understanding means nothing if it is not in scripture or contradicts scripture. Credit is given where credit is due. If you can probe it from scripture then good. But you have failed the scriptural test. We judge your doctrine with scripture and your doctrine is not there.

    December 1, 2013 at 12:54 am#777618
    Admin
    Keymaster

    We both know you won’t get one.

    As believers we do all in the name of Jesus to the glory of God the Father.

    Others do things in other names, such their own name, Mary the Mother of God, a Babylonian God such as a trinity God, etc.

    December 2, 2013 at 10:44 am#777619
    DavidL
    Participant

    Mat 28:19 – “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”
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    In the Great Commission recorded in Luke we again see Father, Son and Holy Spirit together as ONE – “And now I [Jesus] will send the Holy Spirit, just as my Father promised. But stay here in the city until the Holy Spirit comes and fills you with power from heaven.” – Luke 24:49

    December 2, 2013 at 5:51 pm#777620
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    David

    Luke 24;49 as nothing to do with Math 28;19 ;but more with the verse 20 ,

    read the words of Christ by excluding verse 19 and see for yourself that there is no need for that verse to be there,this must be something that was added ,just like the word POOR is miss translated 99 % of the time,

    why ??? to make the people follow men and give to men (leaders)

    December 3, 2013 at 12:46 am#777621
    DavidL
    Participant

    Here is given you a perfect mathematical illustration of the trinity (not like the other ones you love to ridicule)…but typically your response is just to brush it aside as meaningless and unimportant…
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    Conclusion – your misguided understanding of God (and misinterpretation of Scripture) is making you completely unable to accept or acknowledge any evidence of the truth…

    December 3, 2013 at 1:06 am#777622
    DavidL
    Participant

    The connection between these two verses is – Father, Son, and Holy Spirit united together as ONE GOD…
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    t8 teaches that the Father alone is God…”the only true God” quoting the word’s of Jesus (but not being honest as to the context of this prayer – 1. that Jesus is obviously speaking from His humanity acknowledging the Father is the only true God, 2. but also that the Jews were devoutly monotheistic in their understanding of God and could not yet even receive the revelation of Jesus as Messiah…let alone of Him as GOD) But in dethroning Christ of His proper Deity t8 has to alter the wording and continue to change the meaning of Scriptures starting with the most obvious one (John 1:1) denying John’s revelation of Jesus existing not only with God – but AS God…therefore he has to make Jesus some other god (“existed with God as another identity” or “the Father is God and Jesus is another.”)…when the very Scriptures declare THERE IS NO OTHER…!!
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    “I AM THE LORD, AND THERE IS NO OTHER; APART FROM ME THERE IS NO GOD…” – Isaiah 45:5
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    “For who is God besides the LORD? And who is the Rock except our God?” – Psalm 18:31
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    “There is no one holy like the LORD; THERE IS NO ONE BESIDES YOU; there is no Rock like our God.” – 1 Samuel 2:2
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    1 Corinthians 10:4 says – “…AND THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST.”..!!!
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    SO IS JESUS “ANOTHER” – OR IS HE GOD….??

    December 3, 2013 at 8:19 am#777623
    Admin
    Keymaster

    DavidL, you can give me the so-called perfect mathematical illustration, shape, diagram, wooden sculpture or whatever, but I just want to see scripture. My trust is in God, not man.

    December 3, 2013 at 10:50 am#777624
    Admin
    Keymaster

    Jesus said unto them, “If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me”.

    Jesus said, “”And this is eternal life, that they may know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom Thou hast sent,”.

    Jesus also said, “But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. ″My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.

    Let’s see. If God were your Father, and if he was the only true God to you, then you would obviously listen to the one whom he sent.

    Those who stubbornly hold to the Babylonian Trinity Doctrine after being shown these scriptures, don’t believe in the only true God being the Father, and they do not listen to Jesus Christ who said the only true God is the Father. Therefore you would have to question whether they were his sheep. That would be the only conclusion because opposing Jesus and saying you are his sheep cannot be reconciled.

    December 3, 2013 at 2:01 pm#777625
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    David

    but Chuck Missler is a man just like me ,but he as a great financial empire ,I only have my voice ,and what I know in scriptures what the truth i believe ,not what men tells me what I should believe or not believe ,

    unless you show me in scriptures that the trinity was teach by Christ and his disciples and also in the OT scriptures ,because God never change,

    you have no faith to share ,

    December 3, 2013 at 2:10 pm#777626
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    if you do not have a spirit,and soul and a body (envelope)you are not a being ,

    so do not get confused between the composition of the being and the trinity what is a composition of three beings this would end up as 9 factors not 3 ,

    but you are free to satisfy yourself in any way ,so many Catholics are, and others too , with the trinity that is ,

    December 3, 2013 at 7:00 pm#777627
    DavidL
    Participant

    Quote: “…However, there is a mathematical way to illustrate how 1 + 1 + 1 can equal 1. This is by using the concept of infinity: one infinity plus one infinity plus one infinity equals three infinities, and, as any student of mathematics knows, three times infinity equals one infinity. So one infinity plus one infinity plus one infinity equals one infinity. One infinite Father plus one infinite Son plus one infinite Holy Spirit equals one infinite Godhead. Since God is infinite, this is a suitable mathematical description of the doctrine of the Trinity. This in no way detracts from the mystery of the doctrine since infinity, like the Trinity, is beyond our ability to comprehend. It is simply hoped that this mathematical description will satisfy those who accuse Christians of having a conception of God which is irrational or polytheistic.”
    – Arthur Manning

    December 3, 2013 at 7:07 pm#777628
    DavidL
    Participant

    You must determine for yourself what is true – I’m just offering some support for belief in the trinity, on a site that only gives you biased information.

    December 3, 2013 at 7:21 pm#777629
    DavidL
    Participant

    You say our understanding means nothing if it is not in Scripture…but isn’t this why I reject your understanding..??? It’s not based on Scripture, rather it has come from your study of church history, and the philosophy of scientific men like Isaac Newton…!
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    My point is this: If you prayed and meditated on the words of John 1:1, rather than try and make sense of them in a purely theological way…you will reach an entirely different conclusion to the one you currently hold…

    December 3, 2013 at 7:27 pm#777630
    DavidL
    Participant

    “My sheep hear My voice….” – the problem t8, is when you quote these words of Jesus to validate your teaching, we cannot hear the voice of the Master…only the sound of something the resembles a cheap car salesman…!

    December 3, 2013 at 8:21 pm#777631
    Admin
    Keymaster

    This is what I teach and they are Jesus words, (not mine), and he is not a cheap car salesman.

    “This is eternal life, that you may know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom he has sent.”

    My Lord corrects you with his words.

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