Home Christian Writings Supporting the Trinity Doctrine? – The Trinity Doctrine Page 7

Supporting the Trinity Doctrine? – The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God?
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of ‘God’
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources

This page is dedicated to the scriptures that people use when supporting the Trinity Doctrine. We look at why they are used to support this doctrine and test their hypothesis to see if they stand the test of scrutiny.

Each scripture is listed with a link to its own page showing biblical evidence as to why these are not supporting the Trinity Doctrine.

Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Is Jesus called God in 1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)?

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Did Thomas call Jesus, his God in John 20:28 (KJV)?

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Because YHWH calls himself “I am”  in Exodus 3:13-14, did Jesus claim to be Yahweh when he said “I am” in John 18:5-6?

5 “Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “I am he,” Jesus said. (And Judas the traitor was standing there with them.)
6 When Jesus said, “I am he,” they drew back and fell to the ground.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

1 John 5:7 lists the three so-called persons of the Trinity and says they are one. Does this prove the Trinity?

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Does Isaiah 9:6 prove the Trinity because it calls Jesus the mighty God?

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”‘

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Does the baptismal formula in Matthew 28:19 prove the Trinity Doctrine?
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

John 1:1 says the Word was God. Does that mean that Jesus is God because he is the Word?

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

John 1:18 calls Jesus ‘the begotten God”. Does this prove that Jesus is God and provide support for the Trinity Doctrine?

“No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Is Jesus called the Alpha and Omega in Revelation 1:8, thus making him God?

8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Colossians 2:9-10 says that Christ is the fullness of the Deity. Does this make Jesus God?

9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Philippians 2:6 says he existed in the form of God. Is this scriptural proof that Jesus is God?
who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Does Mark 12:36 support the Trinity Doctrine because of the usage of ‘Lord’?

David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared: “`The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Did Jesus claim to be God in John 10:33 according to an accusation made by some Jews?

“We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


Was Jesus inferring he was God in John 5:18-19 when the Jews said he was making himself equal with God ?

18 For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
19 Jesus gave them this answer: “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Does the word “us” in Genesis 1:26 mean that God consists of plural persons as the Trinity Doctrine teaches?

Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Did Jesus infer that he was God in John 10:30 when he said he was one with the Father?

“I and the Father are one”.

Read why this verses does not teach the Trinity →

Hebrews 1:6 states that Jesus is worshipped by angels. Does that make him God?

And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Does Hebrews 1:8 state that God called Jesus, God?

But concerning the Son, “Your throne O God is forever and ever.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Does Isaiah 48:11 support of the Trinity Doctrine because God does not give his glory to another?

For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Does Titus 3:4-6 support the Trinity Doctrine because God is called our saviour?

4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared,
5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior,

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Does Revelation 1:8 & Revelation 1:17-18 prove that God is a Trinity because of the term First and Last?

Revelation 1:8
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.
&
Revelation 1:17-18
And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.
“I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen.

Read why these verses do not teach the Trinity →

Does Deuteronomy 6:4 and Genesis 2:24 prove that God is a Trinity because ‘one’ means ‘unity’?

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
&
Genesis 2:24
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

Read why these verses do not teach the Trinity →

Does Isaiah 45:23 & Philippians 2:10-11 read together prove that Jesus is God because we will bow to God?

Isaiah 45:23
By myself I have sworn,  my mouth has uttered in all integrity  a word that will not be revoked:
Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.
&
Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Read why these verses do not teach the Trinity →

Does 1 Peter 2:6-8 & Isaiah 8:12-15 read together prove that Jesus is God because he is the stumbling stone?

1 Peter 2: 6-8
6 For in Scripture it says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”
7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,”
8 and,“A stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall.”
&
Isaiah 8:12-15
11 For Jehovah spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying,
12 Say ye not, A conspiracy, concerning all whereof this people shall say, A conspiracy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be in dread thereof .
13 Jehovah of hosts, him shall ye sanctify; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
15 And many shall stumble thereon, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.

Read why these verses do not teach the Trinity →

Discussion

Viewing 20 posts - 121 through 140 (of 699 total)
123…678…333435
  • Author
    Posts
  • November 27, 2013 at 5:58 pm#777592
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    david

    can you point out some indication in the scriptures that actually talks about the trinity ???

    and of cause that lines up with the words of what God says ;THAT HE ALONE IS GOD ,AND THAT THEIR IS NO OTHER GOD LIKE HIM ;

    AND THE UNDERSTANDING THAT GOD IS A BEING NOT A COMPOSED BEING ,

    November 27, 2013 at 9:00 pm#777593
    Admin
    Keymaster

    @ DavidL.
    See how you need extra-biblical support for your doctrine? Whereas, we can give you scripture that cannot be altered by reason of their simplicity and clarity.


    You have one so-called proof, your interpretation of John 1:1c. But we have told you before that there are 3 ways that John 1:1c can be read using all the possible legitimate interpretations when the definite article is not there.

    1) Imagine it is inferred and treat it like other verses where it is also not there, but is still talking about God;
    2) Put in the indefinite article like other verses do such as Jesus calling Judas “a devil”;
    3) Interpret it without any article at all as it is written, thus giving it a qualitative view such as we see with Jesus own words, when he said, “ye are gods/theos”. When he said that, he did not mean “Ye are God” and there is no definite article there either.

    In order to choose the right one, you only have to choose the one that does not contradict the rest of scripture. It is not hard and we shouldn’t even have to spell that out to you. So let’s take a look at 3 scriptures, 2 from Paul, one from Jesus.

    “For us there is one God the Father”
    “There is one God and Father of all”
    “This is eternal life, that you may know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom he has sent”.

    Anyone who chooses the first option for John 1:1c (such as yourself), ignores the words of Jesus and Paul above and hundreds of other verses that I haven’t quoted in this post but are quoted here, (100 verses are):

    100 indisputable proof verses – The Trinity Doctrine

    So why swap the clear words of Jesus for one supposed possible interpretation of what John wrote in the opening line of his book, and even worse, John tells us the conclusion of his book which is to believe who Jesus is, which he says, the son of God, and the messiah. Those who swap the words of Jesus for their own opinion of John 1:1c or any other scripture, are being foolish in the extreme.

    But as Jesus said himself, “My sheep hear my voice”, so we would be wise to listen to him on who God is. But I realise that not all will listen and there is nothing I can do about that. I can lead a horse to water, but I cannot force him to drink.

    DavidL, your Trinity Doctrine is from Babylon. It is not in scripture, it contradicts hundreds of scriptures that are clear, and it goes against Jesus own teachings. What can I say, will we then become bewitched and return to Babylonian captivity or will we remain free in the truth?

    I can tell you here an now, we are not interested in your wares. The bread you are trying to get us to consume is not from Heaven.

    November 27, 2013 at 9:18 pm#777594
    Admin
    Keymaster

    He simply cannot. He gives John 1:1. Unfortunately for him, it is talking about the Word and God. No Trinity there. But he is happy to quote extra-biblical material.

    November 28, 2013 at 3:24 pm#777595
    DavidL
    Participant

    Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: – Matthew 28:19

    November 28, 2013 at 3:58 pm#777596
    DavidL
    Participant

    You have brought into question the translation of John 1:1…giving your understanding of Greek and how you imagine it should be interpreted, and I have shared why this Scripture correctly reads, “the Word was God.” …I don’t need this information to support my belief, but I share it so we have something to compare your teaching with…since it is you that must change this verse to support your anti-trinity doctrine.
    –
    btw I believe “This is eternal life, that you may know the only true God, AND Jesus Christ whom He has sent”. Every Christian believes this, but you use this verse (like all who oppose the trinity) to deny the rightful Deity of Christ..and the reason you do this is because you lean on your own understanding (Proverbs 3:5) to interpret Scripture, and as such you cannot make sense of the trinity….this is the difference between us.

    November 28, 2013 at 4:24 pm#777597
    DavidL
    Participant

    But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. – 1 Corinthians 2:14
    –
    Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable His judgments, and His paths beyond tracing out!
    – Romans 11:33
    –
    “Can you solve the mysteries of God? Can you discover everything about the Almighty? – Job 11:7
    –
    Do you not know? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary, and his understanding no one can fathom. – Isaiah 40:28
    –
    these are the things God has revealed to us by His Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. – 1 Corinthians 2:10
    –
    My goal is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love, so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding, in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ, in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. I tell you this so that no one may deceive you by fine-sounding arguments…See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ. For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority. – Colossians 2
    –
    The mystery that gives us our reverence for God is acknowledged to be great: He appeared in His human nature, was approved by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was announced throughout the nations, was believed in the world, and was taken to heaven in glory. – 1 Timothy 3:16

    November 28, 2013 at 4:48 pm#777598
    DavidL
    Participant

    t8 – you ‘use’ Scripture to support your hollow arguments but like the Pharisees, your dead theology denies the very GOD you profess to serve.
    –
    you are not fighting me – you are opposing the Holy Spirit.

    November 28, 2013 at 9:41 pm#777599
    Admin
    Keymaster

    I noticed that you didn’t say I was opposing scripture, but the Holy Spirit. You have this idea that the Holy Spirit interprets scripture differently to how it is written. So “this is eternal life to know the only true God and Jesus Christ whom he has sent”, becomes something different that means that the Father is not the only true God according to Jesus own words. Let’s call it what it is, a direct contradiction of Jesus’s own words.

    Jesus said, “my sheep hear my voice” and eternal life was to believe in the only true God the Father and Jesus whom the Father sent.

    This much is clear. You publicly oppose this, and condemn me for repeating Jesus own words.

    November 29, 2013 at 2:24 am#777600
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    david

    Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: – Matthew 28:19

    do you know that the Hebrew gospel of Matthew does not have that verse ,??? and do you know that there is no other scripture that support this ritual ???

    November 29, 2013 at 2:28 am#777601
    Admin
    Keymaster

    Matthew 28:19

    November 29, 2013 at 12:06 pm#777602
    Admin
    Keymaster

    The Church who calls herself the mother Church also defends the Mysterious Trinity. How interesting to note that she is called a mother and she defends something that is a mystery.

    The ancient mystery religion is Mystery Babylon and the Mysterious Trinity is part of this ancient religion. The original Babylon worshipped a Trinity, with Tamuz the son being born on Dec 25. God was so enraged by Babylon that he destroyed that city so that it would never rise again.

    But the religion spread especially after Babel. It took on many forms and many names, and so it was that trinities appeared in many cultures. This Mother Church that defends this mysterious Trinity has put to death those who did not concur with her doctrine and foundation. These martyrs were burned at the stake, hung, tortured, starved and imprisoned. Some say it was many millions that were put to death. Her reign was terrible and became known as the Dark Ages. Scripture was removed from everyday people, and no one could stop her. During this darkness when men did not have the Word of God, her false foundation took deep root and with the opposition killed, she sat like a queen. She sat there with a golden cup in her hand and wearing purple and scarlet. And the wine that she gave people to drink was not from the River of Life, but from her golden cup of abominations. And from this she made much of the world drunk.

    Even today, drunk people are still trying to shut us up. They can’t kill us because that is unlawful. But who knows what men are capable of when darkness has her hour.

    November 29, 2013 at 6:30 pm#777603
    DavidL
    Participant

    The Hebrew gospel of Matthew was written by George Howard in 1995, who took a medieval Jewish rabbinical commentary on Matthew (written in Hebrew) and extracting the text of Matthew, he first published it separately as ‘The Gospel of Matthew according to a primitive Hebrew Text’ (1987)..
    –
    Most scholars consider that these medieval Hebrew manuscripts are derived by translation from medieval Greek or Latin manuscripts, and therefore that it is extremely unlikely that any of the unique readings found in these medieval Hebrew manuscripts could be ancient..but rather were written for the purpose of Jewish apologetics…

    November 30, 2013 at 12:09 am#777604
    DavidL
    Participant

    Your ideas remind me of groups like Jehovah’s Witnesses and Seventh Day Adventist, who love attacking the Catholic church for it’s false doctrine and past persecution of believers…you talk about mystery Babylon etc, but this fascination you have with the trinity has really perverted your concept of Christianity.. making your view tunnel-visioned to the point where it seems you think the whole Christian world revolves around this one doctrine..
    –
    I’m not Catholic – never have been, nor for that matter do I belong to any denomination…but I can tell you without a doubt, the threefold unity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is the absolute truth of Scripture..!!!
    –
    The fact that the Godhead is presented to us in the Word as ‘mysterious’ is in no way related to mystery Babylon..it is just showing (quite understandably) that the mind of man is incapable of comprehending Almighty God, the same as when Paul was caught up into Paradise and heard unspeakable words…or Ezekiel saw four faced creatures with wheels full of eyes…
    –
    That God is both Three and ONE at the same time is something which confounds the intellectual mind, but for those who are born of the Spirit it is no longer a doctrine to work out theologically or historically – you simply know it’s true because you’ve ‘seen’ it..
    –
    This may sound arrogant to some but really ‘revelation’ is the basis of all true faith – period..! It starts with us seeing our own need for God…and even knowing Jesus died for our sins is itself a revelation…the work of salvation is really the work of the Holy Spirit revealing to us the truth…but like the Galatians who started out right, we all must guard against falling back to relying on our own understanding again…
    –
    “Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?” – Galatians 3:3

    November 30, 2013 at 12:29 am#777605
    DavidL
    Participant

    But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. – John 14:26
    –
    “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father–the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father–He will testify about Me.” – John 15:26
    –
    “There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.” – 1 Corinthians 12:4-6

    November 30, 2013 at 12:30 am#777606
    Admin
    Keymaster

    I see that you identify strongly with Babylon.

    And Jesus said that eternal life was to know the only true God (the Father) and to also know him (Jesus) whom the only true God sent.

    Does Jesus sound like a JW to you too? He must do.

    If I say that the Father is the only true God and that makes me like a JW, then Jesus is like a JW to you too.

    The Pharisees claimed to be of God and Abraham. But they were not because the proof was they ignored Jesus words. Why do you do that too?

    November 30, 2013 at 12:33 am#777607
    DavidL
    Participant

    “A little (and incomplete) knowledge of Greek can do more harm than good when people try to apply it beyond their scope of knowledge.” – Corey Keating

    November 30, 2013 at 12:42 am#777608
    DavidL
    Participant

    so what part of what I just shared identifies me with Babylon…?

    November 30, 2013 at 12:46 am#777609
    Admin
    Keymaster

    DavidL, in Revelation we are told that men did not repent of worhipping and making idols even during the judgements.

    But why would they not repent I use to wonder. You have partially given me the answer. It is because they have been deceived into thinking they are right. And they are deceived because they loved not the truth.

    Here is a truth that you do not love. “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son”. Here is another. “This is eternal life, that you may know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom he has sent”.

    When we do not love the truth, we are then susceptible to the lies, even the great lies and false wonders that will happen and are happening.

    November 30, 2013 at 12:50 am#777610
    Admin
    Keymaster

    The Trinity. It started in Babylon spread to Egypt, to Greece, to the Roman Empire, then the Holy Roman Empire, and now the Roman Catholic Church. They all had their beloved Trinity. This mystery religion rode on the back of the whole Beast and yes the Mystery Religion was in these empires, not just the first one. It kept the people drunk and easy to control. A very handy took in the hands of these power mongers.

    November 30, 2013 at 1:04 am#777611
    Admin
    Keymaster

    @ DavidL,
    Do you follow Christianity as a sort of insurance policy to save you from Hell, or do you follow God and his son, and believe their words because they are true?

    Those who are of Jesus listen to him and do what he says. Even if a billion men tell them otherwise.

    Yes we all ultimately fail God, but he expects us to listen and do his will and love the truth because love rejoices in truth.

    Following a religion because you think it will save you from an eternal Hell is never going to lead you to God. It might scare you into some kind of submission, but that is not enough to save you. Even the demons tremble at God and the thought of the judgement to come. So it is that you must love the truth which they do not. Yet you have publicly ignored Jesus own words regarding what eternal life is based on.

    “This is eternal life, that you may know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom he has sent.”

    You have two choices. Accept or reject. I accept this and teach it from the rooftops. You have so far shunned it, haven’t you. After all, when I tell you that the only true God is the Father, and Jesus is the son of the one true God, you persecute me for that, and call me a JW and other names.

    If I am persecuted because of Jesus Christ, then I am blessed. If I stand by his words against millions, then I am blessed. If I am accused of all kinds of things because of his words, then the accusations are going direct to the Lord himself because they are his words.

  • Author
    Posts
Viewing 20 posts - 121 through 140 (of 699 total)
123…678…333435
  • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.

 

CREATE NEW TOPIC
POPULAR TOPICS
ACTIVE TOPICS
SITE SEARCH
SUPPORT US
REGISTER

Recent Replies

ALL REPLIES →

© 1999 - 2024 Heaven Net

Navigation

© 1999 - 2023 - Heaven Net
 Log in with Facebook
or

Log in with your credentials

or    

Forgot your details?

 Log in with Facebook
or

Create Account