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Supporting the Trinity Doctrine? – The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God?
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of ‘God’
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources

This page is dedicated to the scriptures that people use when supporting the Trinity Doctrine. We look at why they are used to support this doctrine and test their hypothesis to see if they stand the test of scrutiny.

Each scripture is listed with a link to its own page showing biblical evidence as to why these are not supporting the Trinity Doctrine.

Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

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Is Jesus called God in 1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)?

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Did Thomas call Jesus, his God in John 20:28 (KJV)?

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →

Because YHWH calls himself “I am”  in Exodus 3:13-14, did Jesus claim to be Yahweh when he said “I am” in John 18:5-6?

5 “Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “I am he,” Jesus said. (And Judas the traitor was standing there with them.)
6 When Jesus said, “I am he,” they drew back and fell to the ground.

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1 John 5:7 lists the three so-called persons of the Trinity and says they are one. Does this prove the Trinity?

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

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Does Isaiah 9:6 prove the Trinity because it calls Jesus the mighty God?

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”‘

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Does the baptismal formula in Matthew 28:19 prove the Trinity Doctrine?
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

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John 1:1 says the Word was God. Does that mean that Jesus is God because he is the Word?

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

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John 1:18 calls Jesus ‘the begotten God”. Does this prove that Jesus is God and provide support for the Trinity Doctrine?

“No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.”

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Is Jesus called the Alpha and Omega in Revelation 1:8, thus making him God?

8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

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Colossians 2:9-10 says that Christ is the fullness of the Deity. Does this make Jesus God?

9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.

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Philippians 2:6 says he existed in the form of God. Is this scriptural proof that Jesus is God?
who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,.

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Does Mark 12:36 support the Trinity Doctrine because of the usage of ‘Lord’?

David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared: “`The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.”

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Did Jesus claim to be God in John 10:33 according to an accusation made by some Jews?

“We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

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Was Jesus inferring he was God in John 5:18-19 when the Jews said he was making himself equal with God ?

18 For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
19 Jesus gave them this answer: “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

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Does the word “us” in Genesis 1:26 mean that God consists of plural persons as the Trinity Doctrine teaches?

Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness

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Did Jesus infer that he was God in John 10:30 when he said he was one with the Father?

“I and the Father are one”.

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Hebrews 1:6 states that Jesus is worshipped by angels. Does that make him God?

And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

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Does Hebrews 1:8 state that God called Jesus, God?

But concerning the Son, “Your throne O God is forever and ever.”

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Does Isaiah 48:11 support of the Trinity Doctrine because God does not give his glory to another?

For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

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Does Titus 3:4-6 support the Trinity Doctrine because God is called our saviour?

4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared,
5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior,

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Does Revelation 1:8 & Revelation 1:17-18 prove that God is a Trinity because of the term First and Last?

Revelation 1:8
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.
&
Revelation 1:17-18
And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.
“I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen.

Read why these verses do not teach the Trinity →

Does Deuteronomy 6:4 and Genesis 2:24 prove that God is a Trinity because ‘one’ means ‘unity’?

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
&
Genesis 2:24
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

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Does Isaiah 45:23 & Philippians 2:10-11 read together prove that Jesus is God because we will bow to God?

Isaiah 45:23
By myself I have sworn,  my mouth has uttered in all integrity  a word that will not be revoked:
Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.
&
Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Read why these verses do not teach the Trinity →

Does 1 Peter 2:6-8 & Isaiah 8:12-15 read together prove that Jesus is God because he is the stumbling stone?

1 Peter 2: 6-8
6 For in Scripture it says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”
7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,”
8 and,“A stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall.”
&
Isaiah 8:12-15
11 For Jehovah spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying,
12 Say ye not, A conspiracy, concerning all whereof this people shall say, A conspiracy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be in dread thereof .
13 Jehovah of hosts, him shall ye sanctify; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
15 And many shall stumble thereon, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.

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Discussion

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  • April 21, 2015 at 9:30 pm#795169
    Proclaimer
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    t8 this is what you said to carmel..
    “All this other crap about him being God is stupid”
    this is what you said to me…
    “DavidL, are you aware that the measure you judge is the same that you will be judged by.”
    Two standards..?

    No DavidL, one standard. If I start to babble on about traditions and doctrines that are not supported in scripture or contradict clear teaching in scripture, then I can assure you that I too would be talking crap.

    April 21, 2015 at 9:38 pm#795171
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    ALSO, UNLESS YOU PIN POINT WHERE IN MY PREACHING YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH, AND CONTRADICT ME IN RELATION TO IT TO JUSTIFY THAT YOUR BELIEF IS TRUTH, I WON’T BE ABLE TO POST BACK AND DO LIKEWISE TO JUSTIFY THAT MY BELIEF IS THE TRUTH!

    John 17:3
    Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

    Carmel 17:3
    Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God Jesus Christ, who sent himself into the world.
    or
    Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only trinue God the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit of which the Father of God sent the Son of God into the world.

    I believe the first one whereas you believe one or both of the other two.

    John 17:3 exposes your false doctrine of the Trinity. I could go on, but this alone is enough for you to seriously contemplate if you care about the truth.

    April 22, 2015 at 5:17 am#795198
    kerwin
    Participant

    Carmel,

    Sex between a husband and his wife is not filthy. That witch is filthy is the desires of the flesh and Paul taught that a husbands and his wife chose to do so they were to agree to abstain from sex for a time but not more than each could withstand. He did not call such sex the works of the flesh.

    Jesus’ conception was miraculous and so was John the Baptist’s. The difference of two is the degree of miracle with Elizabeth being a barren woman and Marry being a virgin.

    Mary was not part angel. She and Elizabeth are both human beings as are Jesus and John the Baptist.

    Scripture teaches Jesus is a human being.

    April 22, 2015 at 5:29 am#795200
    DavidL
    Participant

    t8

    John 17:3 exposes your false doctrine of the Trinity. I could go on, but this alone is enough for you to seriously contemplate if you care about the truth.

     

    Who are you trying to convince….yourself..???

    Your chosen verse, that you IMAGINE denies the trinity, in fact only confirms the UNITY of Father and Son…!!!!

    You are the one who has deviated in your teaching from the historical truth of Jesus Christ..

    Twisting Scripture (like John 17:3) in an effort to promote your own corrupt teaching.

    April 22, 2015 at 5:35 am#795204
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    You promote what is of man and accuse others of following corrupt teaching?

    April 22, 2015 at 6:03 am#795205
    DavidL
    Participant

    t8

    JESUS CHRIST, as a name , is not mentioned in the OT.BUT THE ENTIRE OT., IS A REFERENCE TO JESUS CHRIST.

    SO IT IS THE SAME THING WITH THE TRINITY!

    It is not the same.

    As per usual you tactfully try to deny truths that are disagreeable to your own teaching…

    But let’s consider it again..

    The whole Old Testament is in fact a reference to Jesus Christ, who is never mentioned directly by name…

    So also the Bible never mentions the Trinity by name, and yet the whole New Testament is a revelation of the Father, through the Son, by the Holy Spirit..!!!

     

    (I know you will go on denying – because you are compelled to preserve and promote your own false doctrine…but in the face of such bias, you can no longer sincerely claim to be an honest seeker of truth).

    April 22, 2015 at 6:33 am#795208
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi DavidL

    the whole New Testament is a revelation of the Father, through the Son, by the Holy Spirit..!!!

    That is an excellent and correct statement so how is it a trinity? You basically said The Power of The One God was on display, there is no need to go past that position.

    They do blaspheme who say: Allah(YHWH) is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.

    ( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #73)

    O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not “Trinity”: desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

    ( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)

    April 22, 2015 at 7:08 am#795212
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    You are right

    but adding the words of another man add nothing.

    April 22, 2015 at 7:19 am#795216
    kerwin
    Participant

    DavidL,

    You do not believe Scripture or you world know that just as the one true God sent John the Baptist into the world to tell of the coming off the Messiah so to did he send Jesus Christ whom he created in Mary.

    You fail to understand that Jesus had to be a human being in order to save human beings.

    I believe it is because love darkness and knowing Jesus, a human being, did not sin though being tempted as other human beings is just too much for you to handle and so your subconscious seeks to make him God in order to address that prick against your conscious. You are stuck in the denial phase and will not proceed until you repent. You are not alone.

    April 22, 2015 at 7:34 am#795218
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Exactly, God cannot be tempted, Jesus was tempted, therefore Jesus cannot be God.

    James 1:13
    Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

    Hebrews 4:15
    For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

    There is nothing else to say about that, just that one point alone disqualifies Jesus as God according to the scriptures, for it doesn’t say “the Father cannot be tempted” it Clearly says “God” cannot be tempted so that even if God was a triune God no part thereof could be tempted. A being that can be tempted cannot be classified as God in any way shape or form

    April 22, 2015 at 7:37 am#795219
    DavidL
    Participant

    bodhitharta

    They do blaspheme who say: Allah(YHWH) is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.

    I am unfamiliar with Muslim Scriptures, but if such a belief were indeed blasphemy then I am certain the Bible would also confirm this truth…yet it seems in Scripture we find it was Christ who was accused of blasphemy – and for the very same reason you give…(making Himself equal to YHWH).

    So, you consider me a blasphemer because I accept the words of Christ – yet I also have a conscience and know that if my actions and beliefs were somehow in contradiction to the truth – then I would feel deeply bad about this..and yet, to the contrary, I am so deeply blessed of God (and free from fear) when I acknowledge the Deity of His own Beloved Son…!!

     

    April 22, 2015 at 8:03 am#795222
    kerwin
    Participant

    DavidL,

    I define blaspheme as falsely accusing God but the actual definition is much wider in that it means treating God with disrespect. Trinitarian accuse God of being tempted even as human beings and that is false and disrespectful accusation.

    Is claiming God is three person disrespectful. It is an untruth and therefore a false doctrine but other than that I do not see it as disrespectful. The bottom line is my eyesight is not perfect.

    April 22, 2015 at 8:03 am#795223
    DavidL
    Participant

    Exactly, God cannot be tempted, Jesus was tempted, therefore Jesus cannot be God.

     

    Jesus laid aside His Divinity to become human..

    He overcame temptation as a man

    simply to make a way for man to come back to God..

    April 22, 2015 at 8:17 am#795233
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Was he not conceived then?

    Scripture disagrees.

    April 22, 2015 at 10:02 am#795245
    kerwin
    Participant

    David,

    Jesus laid aside His Divinity to become human..

    He overcame temptation as a man

    simply to make a way for man to come back to God..

    Your words are nonsense. You claim God chose to stop being God so he could he could instead be a human being. That would mean your triune God became a biune God while Jesus was a human being. Scripture tells us Jesus is still a human being, 1 Timothy 2:5. That means that there is no longer a triune God and yet you believe God is composed of three persons.

    James declares that God cannot be tempted by evil but you claim there is an exception as God can chose the change his kind in order to be tempted by evil. The choice to subject oneself to being tempted by the Devil is ungodly and God cannot do an ungodly action or even tempted to do one.

    Jesus overcame temptation as a result of his faith just as it is written “the righteous live by faith”. We are to follow him.

    April 22, 2015 at 3:28 pm#795306
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Jesus laid aside His Divinity to become human..
    He overcame temptation as a man
    simply to make a way for man to come back to God..

    Rubbish. God does not change. God is not a man that he should lie.

    God is an invisible Spirit. He has a son who is the express image of him.

    If you want to know what God looks like or is like, then look no further than into the face of Jesus Christ because he is the image of the invisible God

    Understand the word ‘image’ and you will understand Jesus more and will not say silly things like he is God.

    GOD IS NOT AN IMAGE.

    April 22, 2015 at 3:35 pm#795309
    kerwin
    Participant

    t8,

    Bringing up the fact “God does not change” is a good point.

    April 22, 2015 at 4:40 pm#795318
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Thanks Kerwin.

    Jesus changed or changes, God does not.

    Philippians 2:6-11

    6 Who, being in very nature God,
        did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
    7 rather, he made himself nothing
        by taking the very nature of a servant,
        being made in human likeness.
    8 And being found in appearance as a man,
        he humbled himself
        by becoming obedient to death—
            even death on a cross!

    9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
        and gave him the name that is above every name,
    10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
        in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
    11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
        to the glory of God the Father.

    Time to start confessing the truth about Jesus DavidL.

    Jesus Christ is Lord.

    April 23, 2015 at 8:30 am#795374
    DavidL
    Participant

    t8

    Rubbish. God does not change. God is not a man that he should lie.

    It’s funny how you constantly oppose what I say…and yet continually end up confirming it…!!

    This is what I said,

    Jesus laid aside His Divinity to become human..

    You said – ‘Rubbish,’ and quoted Phil 2

    “who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.”

    ie, …Jesus laid aside His Divinity to become human.

    Just pointing out how your own personal bias actually blinds you to the truth..!

    April 23, 2015 at 8:36 am#795375
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl.

    Yes the Word was with God and was God

    The Word was made flesh [ in Jesus ] and dwelt among us.

     

    So Jesus Christ is not God

     

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