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Supporting the Trinity Doctrine? – The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God?
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of ‘God’
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources

This page is dedicated to the scriptures that people use when supporting the Trinity Doctrine. We look at why they are used to support this doctrine and test their hypothesis to see if they stand the test of scrutiny.

Each scripture is listed with a link to its own page showing biblical evidence as to why these are not supporting the Trinity Doctrine.

Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

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Is Jesus called God in 1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)?

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

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Did Thomas call Jesus, his God in John 20:28 (KJV)?

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

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Because YHWH calls himself “I am”  in Exodus 3:13-14, did Jesus claim to be Yahweh when he said “I am” in John 18:5-6?

5 “Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “I am he,” Jesus said. (And Judas the traitor was standing there with them.)
6 When Jesus said, “I am he,” they drew back and fell to the ground.

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1 John 5:7 lists the three so-called persons of the Trinity and says they are one. Does this prove the Trinity?

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

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Does Isaiah 9:6 prove the Trinity because it calls Jesus the mighty God?

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”‘

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Does the baptismal formula in Matthew 28:19 prove the Trinity Doctrine?
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

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John 1:1 says the Word was God. Does that mean that Jesus is God because he is the Word?

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

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John 1:18 calls Jesus ‘the begotten God”. Does this prove that Jesus is God and provide support for the Trinity Doctrine?

“No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.”

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Is Jesus called the Alpha and Omega in Revelation 1:8, thus making him God?

8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

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Colossians 2:9-10 says that Christ is the fullness of the Deity. Does this make Jesus God?

9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.

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Philippians 2:6 says he existed in the form of God. Is this scriptural proof that Jesus is God?
who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,.

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Does Mark 12:36 support the Trinity Doctrine because of the usage of ‘Lord’?

David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared: “`The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.”

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Did Jesus claim to be God in John 10:33 according to an accusation made by some Jews?

“We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

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Was Jesus inferring he was God in John 5:18-19 when the Jews said he was making himself equal with God ?

18 For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
19 Jesus gave them this answer: “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

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Does the word “us” in Genesis 1:26 mean that God consists of plural persons as the Trinity Doctrine teaches?

Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness

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Did Jesus infer that he was God in John 10:30 when he said he was one with the Father?

“I and the Father are one”.

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Hebrews 1:6 states that Jesus is worshipped by angels. Does that make him God?

And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

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Does Hebrews 1:8 state that God called Jesus, God?

But concerning the Son, “Your throne O God is forever and ever.”

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Does Isaiah 48:11 support of the Trinity Doctrine because God does not give his glory to another?

For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

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Does Titus 3:4-6 support the Trinity Doctrine because God is called our saviour?

4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared,
5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior,

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Does Revelation 1:8 & Revelation 1:17-18 prove that God is a Trinity because of the term First and Last?

Revelation 1:8
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.
&
Revelation 1:17-18
And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.
“I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen.

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Does Deuteronomy 6:4 and Genesis 2:24 prove that God is a Trinity because ‘one’ means ‘unity’?

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
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Genesis 2:24
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

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Does Isaiah 45:23 & Philippians 2:10-11 read together prove that Jesus is God because we will bow to God?

Isaiah 45:23
By myself I have sworn,  my mouth has uttered in all integrity  a word that will not be revoked:
Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.
&
Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

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Does 1 Peter 2:6-8 & Isaiah 8:12-15 read together prove that Jesus is God because he is the stumbling stone?

1 Peter 2: 6-8
6 For in Scripture it says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”
7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,”
8 and,“A stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall.”
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Isaiah 8:12-15
11 For Jehovah spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying,
12 Say ye not, A conspiracy, concerning all whereof this people shall say, A conspiracy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be in dread thereof .
13 Jehovah of hosts, him shall ye sanctify; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
15 And many shall stumble thereon, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.

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  • November 16, 2013 at 12:22 am#777511
    DavidL
    Participant

    HOW CHRISTIANS CAME TO BELIEVE IN THE TRINITY – by C.S.Lewis
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    “And that is how Theology started. People already knew about God in a vague way. Then came a man who claimed to be God; and yet He was not the sort of man you could dismiss as a lunatic. He made them believe Him. They met Him again after they had seen Him killed. And then, after they had been formed into a little society or community, they found God somehow inside them as well: directing them, making them able to do things they could not do before. And when they worked it all out they found they had arrived at the Christian definition of the three-personal God.”
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    Quote from Mere Christianity

    November 16, 2013 at 12:26 am#777512
    DavidL
    Participant

    C.S.Lewis –
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    “In God’s dimension, so to speak, you find a being who is three Persons while remaining one being, just as a cube is six squares while remaining one cube. Of course, we cannot fully conceive a Being like that: just as, if we were so made that we perceive only two dimensions in space we could never properly imagine a cube.”

    November 16, 2013 at 12:27 am#777513
    DavidL
    Participant

    “An ordinary simple Christian kneels down to say his prayers. He is trying to get into touch with God. But if he is a Christian he knows what is prompting him to pray is also God: God, so to speak, inside him. But he also knows that all his real knowledge of God comes through Christ, the Man who was God–that Christ is standing right beside him, helping him to pray, praying for him. You see what is happening. God is the thing to which he is praying – the goal he is trying to reach. God is also the thing inside him which is pushing him on – the motive power. God is also the road or bridge along which he is being pushed to that goal. So that the whole threefold life of the three-personal Being is actually going on in that ordinary little bedroom where an ordinary man is saying his prayers.” CSL

    November 16, 2013 at 12:29 am#777514
    DavidL
    Participant

    “I said a few pages back that God is a Being which contains three Persons while remaining one Being. . . . But as soon as I begin trying to explain how these Persons are connected I have to use words which make it sound as if one of them was there before the others. The First Person is called the Father and the Second the Son. We say that the First begets or produces the second; we call it begetting, not making, because what He produces is of the same kind as Himself. In that way the word Father is the only word to use. But unfortunately it suggests that He is there first — just as a human father exists before his son. . . . we must think of the Son always, so to speak, streaming forth from the Father, like light from a lamp, or heat from a fire, or thoughts from a mind. He is the self-expression of the father — what the father has to say. And there was never a time when He was not saying it.”

    November 16, 2013 at 12:31 am#777515
    DavidL
    Participant

    “God is not a static thing–not even a person–but a dynamic, pulsating activity, a life, almost a kind of drama. Almost, if you will not think me irreverent, a kind of dance. The union between the Father and Son is such a live concrete thing that this union itself is also a Person. I know this is almost inconceivable, but look at it thus. You know that among human beings, when they get together in a family, or a club, or a trade union, people talk about the ‘spirit’ of that family, or club, or trade union. They talk about its ‘spirit’ because the individual members, when they are together, really develop particular ways of talking and behaving which they would not have if they were apart. It is as if some sort of communal personality came into existence. But of course, it is not a real person: it is only rather like a person. But that is just one of the differences between God and us. What grows out of the joint life of the Father and Son is a real Person, is in fact the Third of the Three Persons who are God.” CSL

    November 16, 2013 at 1:24 am#777516
    DavidL
    Participant

    terraricca – you are welcome to share or give your own personal understanding/belief about the last verses I posted…or just one of them…
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    Isaiah 9:6
    Revelation 1:8
    John 1:1
    John 17:5
    Colossians 2:9
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    These few verses simply speak of Jesus as God – can you from your own understanding (not borrowed theological arguments) say why I shouldn’t accept these verses as the inspired Word of God…instead of changing what they out rightly say, to mean something quite insignificant and redundant…something more suited to human logic but devoid of spiritual life..?
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    So often it is our own theology that entangles us – remember, the race is not to the swift nor the battle to the strong…Jesus said, “O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, thank you for hiding these things from those who think themselves wise and clever, and for revealing them to the childlike. Yes, Father, it pleased you to do it this way.” – Luke 10:21
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    Remember that the Pharisees knew the Scriptures more than all men, yet their Biblical knowledge only blinded them to the simple truth… causing them, in the end, to hate and crucify the the Very God they claimed to serve..!

    November 16, 2013 at 1:27 am#777517
    DavidL
    Participant

    Hmmm…sounds like you need a new car alright..!

    November 16, 2013 at 5:40 am#777518
    2besee
    Participant

    My only question is: why do we need people to tell us who God is, when we can learn for ourselves by having a personal relationship with him.

    November 16, 2013 at 5:48 am#777519
    2besee
    Participant

    My only question is: why do we need people to tell us who God is, when we can learn for ourselves by having a personal relationship with him.

    November 16, 2013 at 7:28 am#777520
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Reading other books ,when you do not even understand God’s written words this is very unwise,if not foolish,Going to second hand opinion and rejecting the truth from the horse mouth so to Speak ,that is we’re all the leaders in religion find their victims and make them their prozelites ,and so become worse than the leader ,this was and is not the way of true believers the true believer always is guided towards God and his word and to his son teachings ,to bring them into the new covenant with the son, no religion organization ,no other book neede beside the scriptures ,this is what brings you to be born again ,when you have mastered the scriptures and practice what it says,and obey God,

    Not one religion or book ,other than the scriptures can give or bring you there .

    David do not hide behind stupid excuses ,I am sure that as a trinitarian in believe you are not a born again believer,and you never received the holy spirit, this is an illusion that someone as put in your head ,not true,

    November 16, 2013 at 10:33 am#777521
    Admin
    Keymaster

    David you accuse us of putting out own view on things, yet we give you scripture as evidence you give us your opinions.

    Jesus said, I and the Father are one. What does this mean? Is he the Father or is he united with the Father?

    Well Jesus invites us to be part of that oneness too and we are not God. Likewise, Jesus is one with God, but is not God. When we are one with something it means that we are not that thing or person, but we are united with them.

    John 17:21
    that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

    Again your teaching falls short of what scripture teaches. Paul advised us to test all teaching with scripture and he commended the Bereans for this.

    November 16, 2013 at 12:00 pm#777522
    Admin
    Keymaster

    DavidL, the more people throw lemons at us, the more lemonade we are able to make.

    November 16, 2013 at 12:03 pm#777523
    Admin
    Keymaster

    Agreed. We have the Spirit of God and the scriptures. But certain men have crept in and say we ALSO need the Trinity Doctrine, a hypothesis officially formulated in the fourth century. Once the Roman Beast made this doctrine official, all opposition was persecuted or put to death. The blood of the martyrs is on her hands.

    The fruit is bad, the circumstances were bad, and because it is an extra-biblical doctrine and that we are told it is the foundation, that is very very bad.

    I believe the message today relating to this is, “come out of her my people”.

    November 16, 2013 at 6:03 pm#777524
    DavidL
    Participant

    Oh, sounds so noble – but really the only thing you’re selling us is vinegar…!

    November 16, 2013 at 6:06 pm#777525
    DavidL
    Participant

    sometimes your arguments actually cause me to wonder whether you are still under the influence of a particular illegal substance…(namely cannabis – that subtle yet insidious drug of indiscernible yet unmistakable delusions…that is so widely used today).

    November 16, 2013 at 6:08 pm#777526
    DavidL
    Participant

    yes sadly I understand your point – but honestly it’s equally as bad as the video you posted….!
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    you say that, because someone has made an illustration to explain the trinity, that they’ve actually made an ‘idol’…because, well.. it’s symbolic and man made and represents God – and witches make symbols..!?
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    Really this only proves the sublime ridiculousness of your anti-Trinity delusion…no power or prestige of any description is, for any one moment, ascribed to this symbolic diagram at all – it is purely an educational illustration used for the sole purpose of bringing understanding about the Godhead (which it does rather well)…so thank you again for sharing it, it is probably the best thing you’ve done so far…

    November 16, 2013 at 9:47 pm#777527
    2besee
    Participant

    I personally think the beast is sin in the world, and the image of the beast is the tv and the internet. So when we are called to come out of her, it’s out of not the world or even the internet but the sin. Because in order to do anything to help others we have to be in the world and the internet too.
    I think that mans debates over Christian theology is nothing but a distraction, because we were called to save the lost.
    I have repented for my own participation.

    November 16, 2013 at 10:10 pm#777528
    Admin
    Keymaster

    I’m actually not selling anything. I am giving you Jesus’s own words for free. “Eternal life is this =====> to know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom he has sent.

    That is it in a nutshell. Pretty simple. Simplicity in Christ.

    Beware of those who will try to draw you away from this simplicity. The Trinity Doctrine is not simple and no one understands it. It is another foundation. But Jesus built his Church on this truth, “you are the son of the living God, the messiah”.

    November 16, 2013 at 10:21 pm#777529
    Admin
    Keymaster

    I wonder if Paul and Titus repented of that?

    Titus 1:9: He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.

    November 16, 2013 at 10:32 pm#777530
    Admin
    Keymaster

    DavidL. you defend making an icon or image with your own hands or mind of God. And this is what I believe the Trinity is and you don’t seem to be concerned about that. This icon/image of the Trinity is made by man and for man. It is God subject to man’s mind, or man explaining God using his own spirit.

    But that which is of God comes from the Spirit of God and that which is of man comes from the spirit of man.

    Jesus said that the only true God was the Father. Paul said, that for us, there is one God the Father. The first commandment is that God is one, (not triune).

    I realise that these scriptures have no influence on you DavidL. But for the sake of the readers, there is one true God the Father and his son whom this God made both Lord and Christ is Jesus the Nazarene. This God is Jesus Father and God and our Father and God. This is eternal life. This is the faith handed down to us. This is the foundation of the Church. Do not drink the wine of the Harlot, it will make you drunk and put you in a stupor.

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