Supporting the Trinity Doctrine? – The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God?
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of ‘God’
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources

This page is dedicated to the scriptures that people use when supporting the Trinity Doctrine. We look at why they are used to support this doctrine and test their hypothesis to see if they stand the test of scrutiny.

Each scripture is listed with a link to its own page showing biblical evidence as to why these are not supporting the Trinity Doctrine.


Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Is Jesus called God in 1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)?

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Did Thomas call Jesus, his God in John 20:28 (KJV)?

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Because YHWH calls himself “I am”  in Exodus 3:13-14, did Jesus claim to be Yahweh when he said “I am” in John 18:5-6?

5 “Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “I am he,” Jesus said. (And Judas the traitor was standing there with them.)
6 When Jesus said, “I am he,” they drew back and fell to the ground.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


1 John 5:7 lists the three so-called persons of the Trinity and says they are one. Does this prove the Trinity?

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Does Isaiah 9:6 prove the Trinity because it calls Jesus the mighty God?

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”‘

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Does the baptismal formula in Matthew 28:19 prove the Trinity Doctrine?
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


John 1:1 says the Word was God. Does that mean that Jesus is God because he is the Word?

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

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John 1:18 calls Jesus ‘the begotten God”. Does this prove that Jesus is God and provide support for the Trinity Doctrine?

“No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Is Jesus called the Alpha and Omega in Revelation 1:8, thus making him God?

8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Colossians 2:9-10 says that Christ is the fullness of the Deity. Does this make Jesus God?

9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.

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Philippians 2:6 says he existed in the form of God. Is this scriptural proof that Jesus is God?
who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,.

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Does Mark 12:36 support the Trinity Doctrine because of the usage of ‘Lord’?

David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared: “`The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.”

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Did Jesus claim to be God in John 10:33 according to an accusation made by some Jews?

“We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

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Was Jesus inferring he was God in John 5:18-19 when the Jews said he was making himself equal with God ?

18 For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
19 Jesus gave them this answer: “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

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Does the word “us” in Genesis 1:26 mean that God consists of plural persons as the Trinity Doctrine teaches?

Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


Did Jesus infer that he was God in John 10:30 when he said he was one with the Father?

“I and the Father are one”.

Read why this verses does not teach the Trinity →


Hebrews 1:6 states that Jesus is worshipped by angels. Does that make him God?

And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


Does Hebrews 1:8 state that God called Jesus, God?

But concerning the Son, “Your throne O God is forever and ever.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


Does Isaiah 48:11 support of the Trinity Doctrine because God does not give his glory to another?

For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


Does Titus 3:4-6 support the Trinity Doctrine because God is called our saviour?

4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared,
5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior,

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


Does Revelation 1:8 & Revelation 1:17-18 prove that God is a Trinity because of the term First and Last?

Revelation 1:8
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.
&
Revelation 1:17-18
And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.
“I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen.

Read why these verses do not teach the Trinity →


Does Deuteronomy 6:4 and Genesis 2:24 prove that God is a Trinity because ‘one’ means ‘unity’?

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
&
Genesis 2:24
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

Read why these verses do not teach the Trinity →


Does Isaiah 45:23 & Philippians 2:10-11 read together prove that Jesus is God because we will bow to God?

Isaiah 45:23
By myself I have sworn,  my mouth has uttered in all integrity  a word that will not be revoked:
Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.
&
Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Read why these verses do not teach the Trinity →


Does 1 Peter 2:6-8 & Isaiah 8:12-15 read together prove that Jesus is God because he is the stumbling stone?

1 Peter 2: 6-8
6 For in Scripture it says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”
7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,”
8 and,“A stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall.”

&
Isaiah 8:12-15
11 For Jehovah spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying,
12 Say ye not, A conspiracy, concerning all whereof this people shall say, A conspiracy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be in dread thereof .
13 Jehovah of hosts, him shall ye sanctify; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
15 And many shall stumble thereon, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.

Read why these verses do not teach the Trinity →


Discussion

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  • #791600
    DavidL
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    EdJ

    Are you suggesting Jesus’ spirit somehow fathered himself  ( Jesus birthing himself ??? )

    Please explain (makes sense) of your logic in regards to this obvious dilemma.

     

    Doesn’t  your question remind you of Nicodemus – “How can an old man go back into his mother’s womb and be born again.?”

     

    the dilemma IS your logic…you can’t make sense of it because, God is bigger than logic..

     

    if you are born of the Spirit you will see – truth is not dependent on intellectual understanding.. reasoning only becomes a hindrance – as you yourself are proving..

     

    it is revealed by God’s Spirit, so that no man can boast in his own abilities..

    #791606
    Ed J
    Participant

    Are you suggesting Jesus’ spirit somehow fathered himself

    EdJ

    the dilemma IS your logic…you can’t make sense of it because, God is bigger than logic..

    if you are born of the Spirit you will see – truth is not dependent on intellectual understanding.. reasoning only becomes a hindrance – as you yourself are proving..

    it is revealed by God’s Spirit, so that no man can boast in his own abilities..

    David L,

    The bible clearly states that God’s HolySpirit fathered Christ. And
    the bible further states that because of this Jesus *IS* the Son of God.
    “Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.” (Prov 30:6)

    New question:
    Does Jesus have his own spirit?

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    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    ”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GOD

    #791608
    kerwin
    Participant

    EdJ,

    The trinitarian doctrine does not make sense as it is broken.

    #791609
    kerwin
    Participant

    Ed J,

    Scripture teaches us the woman was deceived (1 Timothy 2:14).

    #791613
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    You point to you being reborn as to why you promote what is of man.

    Does that make sense to you?

    #791640
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    @DavidL

    Jesus is God – doesn’t make sense until you’re born again… then you SEE that it is true.

    Show us where in scripture when people received the Spirit that they proclaimed that Jesus is God?

    If you cannot, then you again are referencing man-made ideas outside of scripture.

    Jesus fought off Satan and his temptations with the scriptures DavidL, not with doctrines of men or demons.

    You rebuke us with a man-made doctrine and ignore the scriptures we give you.

    Worse. you oppose the scripture we give you.

    You need help. How did it come to this for you?

    When did you stop searching for truth and settle on traditions and doctrines of men?

    #791644
    kerwin
    Participant

    T8,

    When did you stop searching for truth and settling on traditions and doctrines of men?

    He believes he should not test the hypothesis that Jesus is God.

    #791646
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Sad. Many in deception do not test things. They do not test the teachers, the spirits, the doctrines. When challenged from the scriptures, men either cease to be ignorant, or cease to be honest.

    #791650
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    DavidL

    you can not afford to approach this topic honestly and I can understand that because your entire sobriety is at risk. you have now simply switched your addictive behavior to be strung out on a lie, you just believe this lie is more productive but as I said elsewhere, you are still the same as you were although you are trying very hard to change you can’t change without being honest.

    I pray for you to be honest

    #791652
    kerwin
    Participant

    t8,

    Sad. Many in deception do not test things. They do not test the teachers, the spirits, the doctrines. When challenged from the scriptures, men either cease to be ignorant, or cease to be honest.

    Some deceivers teach their disciples not to test their teachings as in testing it you show you lack faith. The trinitarian tenet is so riddled with holes that anyone who seeks the truth and tests it will find it false.

    #791693
    DavidL
    Participant

    Sad. Many in deception do not test things.

     

    Many… in deception who do not know how to test false doctrine because they have not the Spirit.

    Sad… you condemn me for doing the very thing you say we should do – test the teachings of men (ie. your teaching).

    #791696
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Indeed you should weep as you have shown yourself incapable of testing the doctrines you teach against the scriptures you claim to love.

    #791697
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Nobody condemns you.

    But we pray God will open your eyes.

    #791699
    DavidL
    Participant

    Show us where in scripture when people received the Spirit that they proclaimed that Jesus is God?

     

    Did John have the Spirit..?  “..the Word was God”

    Did Thomas have the Spirit..?  “..my Lord and my God”

    Did Paul have the Spirit..?  “..in Him dwells the fullness of God.”

    Did Isaiah have the Spirit..?  “His name shall be called…Everlasting Father.”

     

    Question is t8 – do YOU have the Spirit…?

    ..are you led (in your understanding of Scripture) by the Spirit of God – or by your own logical reasoning..?

     

    #791700
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Deception by reliance on inference robs you of a relationship with the Father and the Son.

    2jn9

    ” Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching , he has both the Father and the Son”

    But you prefer service to men?

    #791704
    DavidL
    Participant

    Deception by reliance on inference robs you of a relationship with the Father and the Son

    Do you have this relationship Nick – that is the question..?

    or are you just trying to be smart..!

     

    #791706
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    That is for you to decide.

    But get your own feet on the rock first.

    #791708
    DavidL
    Participant

    ..it’s not about me deciding – it’s about you knowing..!

    #791712
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Davidl,

    Tell us of your obedience to the command of God in Jn3

    #791714
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Davidl,

    Can you commune with the Father and the Son in the Spirit?

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