Supporting the Trinity Doctrine? – The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God?
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of ‘God’
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources

This page is dedicated to the scriptures that people use when supporting the Trinity Doctrine. We look at why they are used to support this doctrine and test their hypothesis to see if they stand the test of scrutiny.

Each scripture is listed with a link to its own page showing biblical evidence as to why these are not supporting the Trinity Doctrine.


Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Is Jesus called God in 1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)?

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Did Thomas call Jesus, his God in John 20:28 (KJV)?

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Because YHWH calls himself “I am”  in Exodus 3:13-14, did Jesus claim to be Yahweh when he said “I am” in John 18:5-6?

5 “Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “I am he,” Jesus said. (And Judas the traitor was standing there with them.)
6 When Jesus said, “I am he,” they drew back and fell to the ground.

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1 John 5:7 lists the three so-called persons of the Trinity and says they are one. Does this prove the Trinity?

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

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Does Isaiah 9:6 prove the Trinity because it calls Jesus the mighty God?

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”‘

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Does the baptismal formula in Matthew 28:19 prove the Trinity Doctrine?
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

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John 1:1 says the Word was God. Does that mean that Jesus is God because he is the Word?

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

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John 1:18 calls Jesus ‘the begotten God”. Does this prove that Jesus is God and provide support for the Trinity Doctrine?

“No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.”

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity


Is Jesus called the Alpha and Omega in Revelation 1:8, thus making him God?

8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

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Colossians 2:9-10 says that Christ is the fullness of the Deity. Does this make Jesus God?

9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.

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Philippians 2:6 says he existed in the form of God. Is this scriptural proof that Jesus is God?
who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,.

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Does Mark 12:36 support the Trinity Doctrine because of the usage of ‘Lord’?

David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared: “`The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.”

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Did Jesus claim to be God in John 10:33 according to an accusation made by some Jews?

“We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

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Was Jesus inferring he was God in John 5:18-19 when the Jews said he was making himself equal with God ?

18 For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
19 Jesus gave them this answer: “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

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Does the word “us” in Genesis 1:26 mean that God consists of plural persons as the Trinity Doctrine teaches?

Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness

Read why this verse does not teach the Trinity →


Did Jesus infer that he was God in John 10:30 when he said he was one with the Father?

“I and the Father are one”.

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Hebrews 1:6 states that Jesus is worshipped by angels. Does that make him God?

And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

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Does Hebrews 1:8 state that God called Jesus, God?

But concerning the Son, “Your throne O God is forever and ever.”

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Does Isaiah 48:11 support of the Trinity Doctrine because God does not give his glory to another?

For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

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Does Titus 3:4-6 support the Trinity Doctrine because God is called our saviour?

4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared,
5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior,

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Does Revelation 1:8 & Revelation 1:17-18 prove that God is a Trinity because of the term First and Last?

Revelation 1:8
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.
&
Revelation 1:17-18
And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.
“I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen.

Read why these verses do not teach the Trinity →


Does Deuteronomy 6:4 and Genesis 2:24 prove that God is a Trinity because ‘one’ means ‘unity’?

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
&
Genesis 2:24
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

Read why these verses do not teach the Trinity →


Does Isaiah 45:23 & Philippians 2:10-11 read together prove that Jesus is God because we will bow to God?

Isaiah 45:23
By myself I have sworn,  my mouth has uttered in all integrity  a word that will not be revoked:
Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.
&
Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Read why these verses do not teach the Trinity →


Does 1 Peter 2:6-8 & Isaiah 8:12-15 read together prove that Jesus is God because he is the stumbling stone?

1 Peter 2: 6-8
6 For in Scripture it says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”
7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,”
8 and,“A stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall.”

&
Isaiah 8:12-15
11 For Jehovah spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying,
12 Say ye not, A conspiracy, concerning all whereof this people shall say, A conspiracy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be in dread thereof .
13 Jehovah of hosts, him shall ye sanctify; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
15 And many shall stumble thereon, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.

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Discussion

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  • #791536
    DavidL
    Participant

    Nick, I show you the Scriptures – but you have a sight problem… or an ego problem (maybe they’re related)…

    #791538
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    The fruit of that tree would include careful adherence to the teachings of God would it not?

    Abhorrence of  manmade doctrines too.

    Thy word is truth

    #791545
    DavidL
    Participant

    Nick,

    I show you the Scriptures – but you have a sight problem… or an ego problem (maybe they’re related)…

    #791546
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Enough of the insults

    You have not shown one verse where scripture TEACHES trinity.

     

    But you may prefer your more popular stance that that of defending scripture.

    #791547
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    The Holy Spirit is the author of scripture.[2peter]

    But you promote what you agree is MANMADE

    #791549
    kerwin
    Participant

    DavidL,

    If it cannot be determined by my fruit that I have been born of the Spirit of God then I see no reason to claim it as there is no evidence to support my claim. If it can be seen then it is not necessary for me to claim it.

    Even those individuals who have not yet received the Spirit in its role as Counselor can have Spiritual vision as they those that hunger and thirst for righteousness can perceives the correct meaning of parables and other mysteries and so be drawn to Jesus Christ. On the other hand those love darkness will not come into the light because they cannot understand the mysteries of God.

    I have done drugs and alcohol but I became addicted to neither because their effects scared me. I am not innocent nor am I the man I was in my younger years. I have not yet reached to goal to which all Christians are challenged and that is because I am weak in faith as with faith mountains can be moved and all things are possible.

    #791550
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Hi KW,

    When you are led by the Spirit you do not sin.

    The Spirit does not lead men to sin.

    Those words are true.

    #791551
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Revived?

    You mean RECEIVED?

     

    #791552
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    If you have experienced the reality of God – great.

    But the only response is that of obedience

    Otherwise you just have less excuses.

    You must be born again

    #791559
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    I did mean received. Thank you for correcting my word choice.

    #791562
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    @DavidL

    The door is Christ – have you entered yet…?

    Jesus is the way to God.

    He is not the destination and the door.

    He is the path/door/way yes, but the path to something.

    You have to argue that Jesus is the door to himself and two others.

    We disagree of course because “No man comes to the Father but by him“.

    If Jesus is the only way to God, then you argue that he is the way and the God.

    Confusing babble again DavidL.

    “No man comes to the Father but by him”. So if he is the only way to God, then it stands to reason that God is the Father as we also read elsewhere.

    “For us, there is one God the Father, and one Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ”.

    #791572
    DavidL
    Participant

    You have to argue that Jesus is the door to himself and two others.

     

    Because you rely on logical conclusions, you put words in my mouth that I have not said – nor is such confusion in my thoughts – this is the result of your own deceptive attempt to define what is essentially indescribable – looking to your own reasoning, instead of trusting God’s Word as it stands, to bring true understanding.

    #791573
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    But you are based on what you agree is a manmade dogma

    #791581
    DavidL
    Participant

    This site teaches people to distrust the Scriptures (by questioning the translators) – and to look to the teaching of men instead of the plain Word of God, and the Spirit for understanding..

     

    This is the exact same principle that the serpent used in the garden with Eve… he brought doubt concerning what God had spoken, then suggested she should partake of the tree of knowledge to become wise..

     

    This was the religion of the Pharisees, who taught as doctrines the precepts of men…

     

    “There is a way that SEEMS right unto man, but its end is the way of death.”

     

    Reason V’s Revelation..

     

    (“..and on this rock I will build My Church..”)

     

    ..faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the teachings of men Word of God.

     

     

    #791583
    DavidL
    Participant

    Jesus is God – doesn’t make sense until you’re born again… then you SEE that it is true.

    #791589
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Fine words.

    But you admitted trinity is manmade.

     

    What else is there to discuss?

    #791592
    kerwin
    Participant

    DavidL

    This site teaches people to distrust the Scriptures (by questioning the translators) – and to look to the teaching of men instead of the plain Word of God, and the Spirit for understanding..

    This statement of yours is nonsense as what do you think translators are, angels? They are human beings. The AV of the KJV was translated by 47 members of the Church of England. These men were biased in their translation, even to translating the name Passover to Easter because it occurred after Jesus’ death and resurrection. They also chose to translate Hades, Tartarus, and Gehenna all to the word Hell because that bias. In short you are putting your trust in human beings when you blindly trust translators instead of listening to God who specifically instructs us to test the spirit of what we hear.

    I have yet to see one man of this time that listens to the Spirit of God. I believe they exist somewhere but what I see is those that bear the fruits of the flesh and those that bear the fruits of the Spirit.

    #791594
    kerwin
    Participant

    DavidL,

    The only one that translated God’s words is the serpent and Eve would have been wise to test the spirit of what he taught.

    #791595
    Ed J
    Participant

    Jesus is God – doesn’t make sense until you’re born again… then you SEE that it is true.

    David L,

    The Bible says that YHVH is Jesus’ father and that Jesus is the Son of God.
    Are you suggesting Jesus’ spirit somehow fathered himself …if not why not? ( Jesus birthing himself ??? )
    Please explain (makes sense) of your logic in regards to this obvious dilemma.

    ___________
    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    ”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GOD

    #791599
    Ed J
    Participant

    DavidL,

    The only one that translated God’s words is the serpent and Eve would have been wise to test the spirit of what he taught.

    Hi Kerwin,

    By your logic I would suggest that Eve also translated God’s words.
    God said…
    “thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die” (Gen 2:17)
    and Eve said…
    “God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.” (Gen 3:3)

    It would seem that the spirit of Christ was working in her, as she mentions merely touching it.
    You might ask “what do you mean?” what I mean is: just like Jesus said (ref. Matt 5:28) “whosoever
    looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.” It would seem
    that the spirit of Christ in her knew where the line was crossed that would lead to the sin actually being committed.

    ___________
    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    ”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GOD

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