Supporting the Trinity Doctrine? – The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God?
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of ‘God’
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources

This page is dedicated to the scriptures that people use when supporting the Trinity Doctrine. We look at why they are used to support this doctrine and test their hypothesis to see if they stand the test of scrutiny.

Each scripture is listed with a link to its own page showing biblical evidence as to why these are not supporting the Trinity Doctrine.

Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

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Is Jesus called God in 1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)?

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

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Did Thomas call Jesus, his God in John 20:28 (KJV)?

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

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Because YHWH calls himself “I am” in Exodus 3:13-14, did Jesus claim to be Yahweh when he said “I am” in John 18:5-6?

5 “Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “I am he,” Jesus said. (And Judas the traitor was standing there with them.)
6 When Jesus said, “I am he,” they drew back and fell to the ground.

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1 John 5:7 lists the three so-called persons of the Trinity and says they are one. Does this prove the Trinity?

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

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Does Isaiah 9:6 prove the Trinity because it calls Jesus the mighty God?

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”‘

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Does the baptismal formula in Matthew 28:19 prove the Trinity Doctrine?
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

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John 1:1 says the Word was God. Does that mean that Jesus is God because he is the Word?

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

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John 1:18 calls Jesus ‘the begotten God”. Does this prove that Jesus is God and provide support for the Trinity Doctrine?

“No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.”

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Is Jesus called the Alpha and Omega in Revelation 1:8, thus making him God?

8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

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Colossians 2:9-10 says that Christ is the fullness of the Deity. Does this make Jesus God?

9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,
10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.

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Philippians 2:6 says he existed in the form of God. Is this scriptural proof that Jesus is God?
who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,.

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Does Mark 12:36 support the Trinity Doctrine because of the usage of ‘Lord’?

David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared: “`The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.”

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Did Jesus claim to be God in John 10:33 according to an accusation made by some Jews?

“We are not stoning you for any of these,” replied the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

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Was Jesus inferring he was God in John 5:18-19 when the Jews said he was making himself equal with God ?

18 For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
19 Jesus gave them this answer: “I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

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Does the word “us” in Genesis 1:26 mean that God consists of plural persons as the Trinity Doctrine teaches?

Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness

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Did Jesus infer that he was God in John 10:30 when he said he was one with the Father?

“I and the Father are one”.

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Hebrews 1:6 states that Jesus is worshipped by angels. Does that make him God?

And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

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Does Hebrews 1:8 state that God called Jesus, God?

But concerning the Son, “Your throne O God is forever and ever.”

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Does Isaiah 48:11 support of the Trinity Doctrine because God does not give his glory to another?

For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

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Does Titus 3:4-6 support the Trinity Doctrine because God is called our saviour?

4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared,
5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,
6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior,

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Does Revelation 1:8 & Revelation 1:17-18 prove that God is a Trinity because of the term First and Last?

Revelation 1:8
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.
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Revelation 1:17-18
And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.
“I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen.

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Does Deuteronomy 6:4 and Genesis 2:24 prove that God is a Trinity because ‘one’ means ‘unity’?

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
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Genesis 2:24
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

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Does Isaiah 45:23 & Philippians 2:10-11 read together prove that Jesus is God because we will bow to God?

Isaiah 45:23
By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked:
Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.
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Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

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Does 1 Peter 2:6-8 & Isaiah 8:12-15 read together prove that Jesus is God because he is the stumbling stone?

1 Peter 2: 6-8
6 For in Scripture it says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”
7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,”
8 and,“A stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall.”
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Isaiah 8:12-15
11 For Jehovah spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying,
12 Say ye not, A conspiracy, concerning all whereof this people shall say, A conspiracy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be in dread thereof .
13 Jehovah of hosts, him shall ye sanctify; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.
14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
15 And many shall stumble thereon, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.

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November 15, 2013 at 12:38 pm#777491
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Keymaster

Come out of her my people. She has made the whole world drunk on her wine.
November 15, 2013 at 12:43 pm#777492
DavidL
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these Bible teachers are all confirming in one clear voice that you’re actually misrepresenting the Jesus you quote –
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stop trying to be the teacher and listen to your heart…
November 15, 2013 at 12:44 pm#777493
DavidL
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November 15, 2013 at 12:53 pm#777494
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Keymaster
You know that you reject these words, and I know it too. It is clear to see.

Jesus said, this is eternal life, that you may know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom he has sent.

So clear was Jesus words, that you dare not oppose it directly. Instead you do it indirectly.

Let your yes be yes or no be no. Anything else is from the evil one.

Do you believe that there is one God the Father and that this God made Jesus, both Lord and Christ?
Do you believe that the Father is the one true God and that the one true God sent his son into the world?

You might say yes to give an appearance of adherence. But the true answer is no. We both know that you do not agree.
November 15, 2013 at 1:02 pm#777495
DavidL
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The Trinity diagram is not an ‘idol’ (as you say), rather it is a simple illustration that gives clear understanding to something your false doctrine opposes..hence your attempt to ‘demonize’ it and portray it as some sort of occult image..!!
November 15, 2013 at 1:03 pm#777496
DavidL
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJvUlrNa-Z8
November 15, 2013 at 1:12 pm#777497
DavidL
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More of your trinity propaganda…you are the one who needs to leave the confines of your man-made theological delusion/confusion, and come back to the purity of Scripture…
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In the beginning was the WORD.
November 15, 2013 at 1:14 pm#777498
DavidL
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Come out of your confusion – your Babylon of deception..
November 15, 2013 at 1:30 pm#777499
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Keymaster
I am not a KJV only person and this video is basically about that. But I post it regarding symbols and the Trinity that is all. And it is about James White too. Interesting things symbols are. The Trinity is a pagan symbol, and so I am not surprised to find that Trinitarians like this symbol or any symbol that illustrates God. BTW, you cannot illustrate God, I would have thought that was obvious. God cannot be defined by a man-made triangle or 3-pointed symbol of any kind. He made all things, so we cannot illustrate God with things.
November 15, 2013 at 1:54 pm#777500
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You cannot explain many things including scriptures.

Jesus said, “ye are theos”. If Jesus said, “I am theos” you would be all over that. But because he said, “ye are theos” this gets thrown into a dark area of the closet because it doesn’t support your Trinity.

Jesus also said, eternal life is this, to know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom he has sent

Jesus said, “my sheep hear my voice”. So that means that Athanasius would not be heard by his sheep because Athanasius taught not that the Father is the one true God, nor did he teach that the one true God is the Father. No he taught the Trinity and in cohorts with Constantine, the doctrine became the new foundation of the new Church. We know that as the RCC today and who crucified millions under the title heretics.

You are a victim of history and the works of men DavdL. But Jesus can set you free if you believe what he said. If he said something was eternal life, then without hesitation we had better listen.

I know you believe we are in the time of the end before the Rapture and thus you have been preserving yourself for that. But Jesus is coming back for a bride without spot and blemish. We need to be ready to meet him. We need to let go of tradition and start believing what he said.
November 15, 2013 at 1:57 pm#777501
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Keymaster
Yes Babylon is deception and is confusion. But it is not mine. I am opposing the Trinity Doctrine, not supporting it.
November 15, 2013 at 2:57 pm#777502
DavidL
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It’s not so much a matter of me explaining things, as it is about you being able to hear…I show you things, but you have already interpreted it the predetermined way according to the philosophical thoughts your mind has previously accepted as correct…but the voice of carnal reasoning (though deceptively convincing on a natural level) is actually in direct contrast to the voice of Truth…
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Truth is spiritually discerned..!
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They say the longest journey in the world is from a man’s head to his heart…I also know that religious delusion is one of the hardest things to break free of…
November 15, 2013 at 3:31 pm#777503
DavidL
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honestly – I think anyone can see what a pathetic attempt this is to condemn James White – a Bible with a star on the cover…and it must be a pentagram…!?! if this is the type of superstitious teaching you get your information from then – I rest my case..!
November 15, 2013 at 9:19 pm#777504
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David
when it comes to God holy spirit ;all the trinity guy’s becomes old car salesman ,but worse THEY ARE SELLING YOUR VERY OWN CAR BACK TO YOU ,understand that the holy spirit belongs to God he his the spirit of truth that comes from God ,just as Satan as the spirit of lies and deceit
your trinity 3 is only 2 and so is at best an illusion from the father of lies and deceit ,not from God
November 15, 2013 at 9:25 pm#777505
Anonymous
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to David ,if you would be true with your TRINITY you would be able to defend it with the scriptures ,but you cannot ,your comments are videos ,twisting of scriptures or braking the truth in God’s words ,so like the old pagan visions the right answer his MYSTERY ” this is the key word for the ignorant ,there is no mystery in Gods words only people that do not have the knowledge in the scriptures enough to understand it ,
November 15, 2013 at 11:03 pm#777506
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Keymaster
I know how it works. It is about ignoring half the New Testament and believing the teachings of Athanasius in its place. But we should listen to Jesus Christ because his sheep are the ones that hear his voice.

This is eternal life, that you may know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom he has sent.
November 15, 2013 at 11:07 pm#777507
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Keymaster
The whole world is drunk on this doctrine, one way or another. This harlot sits on many waters. Her power comes from Satan.

“And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness;
November 15, 2013 at 11:12 pm#777508
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Keymaster
I knew you would get the wrong end of the stick. The point of the video that I wanted to show was not that, nor was it that the AKJV is the only version as I do not subscribe to either. It was merely to show a symbol made by human hands to represent God as we see with this 3 pointed Trrinitarian logo, is wrong. It is what idolaters do. And no surprises then that we see this symbol in Witchcraft too.

Creating a symbol, carving, pendant, or logo that is suppose to represent God is an idol made by man. Yet earlier you were thanking me for the Trinity symbol I posted.

Now you understand my point.
November 15, 2013 at 11:19 pm#777509
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Keymaster
His excuse is that scripture is not really saying what it is saying, but you need to be born again, and then the meaning changes.

Jesus said, “this is eternal life, that you may know God, and Jesus Christ whom he has sent”.

So when we are born-again, this doesn’t mean what it says anymore.

That is the crux of his argument against these scriptures.

I agree that we need to be born from above to spiritually discern things, but that is no excuse to change the meaning of scripture.
November 16, 2013 at 12:14 am#777510
DavidL
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I have posted a few videos here on this ‘supporting the Trinity’ page because of the narrow-minded and biased nature of this site…surely in any debate you would want to see BOTH sides of the argument..so what have you to fear…? (if you believe in the truth – as you pretend).
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