Development of the Trinity Doctrine – The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God?
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of ‘God’
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources

A short history lesson

Babylon was the first world empire. We read about this city in scripture regarding Nebuchadnezzar and Daniel. But that was the second rise of Babylon, it was first built and ruled by Nimrod after the great flood. Nimrod was the great-grandson of Noah. He married a woman from Assyria called Semiramis and local legend says that she was a harlot/prostitute.

When Nimrod died, Semiramis was concerned that she might lose power in Babylon. She fell pregnant and told everyone that her child was none other than Nimrod reborn and that Nimrod became a god. The son was called (Tammuz) and became known as the son of God. Nimrod in essence became both the Father and the Son while Semiramis was known as the ‘Mother of God’ and the ‘Queen of Heaven’. However, she was also symbolized as a dove. At Hierapolis Bambyce (Mabbog) for example, there is a great temple which is said to be founded by Semiramis, and her statue portrays a golden dove on her head.

Already we can see ideas that have been carried through to this very day with the Trinity Doctrine, The Father, Son, and Spirit, the latter often symbolized as a dove. To make the parallels even more clearer, the son was said to be born on December 25 which we know is the traditional day for Jesus Christ’s birth. Notice I use the word ‘traditional’ because this idea is not scriptural at all. Often opponents of the faith make the argument that Jesus is just a pagan savior among many for this very reason.

To inaugurate herself and her son, Semiramis offered a drink in a golden cup for those who wished to pay tribute to her supposed divine son. Some of these devotees were inducted into a priesthood.

So, Nimrod became the incarnate son and Semiramis who was symbolized as a dove was called the mother of God. She was both the first Madonna and the spirit behind this trinity. This marks the birth of the Trinity concept and the Mother of God. We still see these traditions to this very day.

By now all this should be sounding similar to the Mystery Babylon that we read of in the Book of Revelation. There we read, of a Babylon that exists in the last days who is a harlot robed in purple. She even drinks from a golden cup full of abominations, and has made the whole world drunk on her wine. We are then given an explanation as to the woman. She is a city, she rides on the back of the Beast, which at the time was Rome, and she is guilty of spilling the blood of the martyrs.

It should also be clear as to who this last day Babylon might be. If not, then think about this. Rome (city of seven hills), a harlot, a golden cup, robes of purple. Then couple that with who/what promotes the Trinity Doctrine? If you are not following me here, then search out whose creed and faith is actually the Trinity Doctrine by looking up information about the Athanasian Creed. (We will be looking at Athanasius the man in the second part of this page.).

So how did this Babylonian religion spread around the world? Scripture tells us that after the Tower of Babel, God divided men’s language leading to them spreading out over the world. As we see with the Israelites and the Egyptian gods, the Babylonian gods were not forgotten, rather they found new homes in new cultures around the world. Because of differences in language, the names of the Babylonian Trinity were different. And due to time, this Babylonian Trinity not only had different names in different cultures, but they also put their own spin on the Trinity.

The Babylonian Trinity comprised of Nimrod, Semiramis, Tammuz. Egypt called their Trinity by the names of Osiris, Horus, and Isis the virgin. Greece had Zeus, Athena, and Apollo. The Roman Empire had Jupiter, Mercury, and Venus and even to this day, the word Venus is associated with beauty, sex. and fertility, a fitting description of Semiramis, India too has a Trinity consisting of Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva. There are more trinities around the world, but too many to mention in this concise writing.

Now we arrive to a point in time when the Roman Empire ruled. At first Rome didn’t seem to embrace a Trinity, but it is said that the Mystery religion crept in over time. The Roman Empire eventually became the Holy Roman Empire around the time of emperor Constantine. After battling with others for control of a divided empire, he won and to fully unite and solidify the divided empire under himself, he still had one major problem. His empire was still split between two peoples. Pagans and Christians. The Christians were particularly troublesome because they would never submit to the emperor as Lord because to them Jesus was Lord and they paid with their lives to prove it. Constantine’s solution was to embrace these Christians and to give them positions of power so that he could merge Paganism with Christianity. This was a huge change from previous times where Christians were regularly persecuted and martyred. But it wasn’t really that out of character for Rome because they had a history of absorbing ideas, knowledge, religions, and gods from every nation and religion they conquered.

Merging Christianity with Rome was Constantine’s master stroke as it gave him authority over Church matters which in turn strengthened his rule over the empire. He then set about solidifying the faith with rules and regulations in typical Rome fashion. In order to keep the peace, he successfully merged pagan ideas and festivals with Christian ones. So just as Tammuz the son of Semiramis was traditionally born on December the 25th, this became the birthday of Jesus. This helped keep both Pagans and Christians happy. (Although not all went along with these ideas as you would expect.) Constantine even made Sunday the holy day (holiday) for Christians when it was really the traditional day for worship of the sun by the Pagans.This was a clear departure from the Sabbath Day and probably a deliberate move to keep the Pagans happy.

It is even said that Easter the traditional day of Jesus resurrection was really a pagan celebration of Ishtar the Assyrian and Babylonian goddess of fertility and sex, who goes by the name of none other than Semiramis the wife of Nimrod. Ishtar was eventually pronounced ‘Easter’. If this is true, then the Christian holy day of Easter is but another name for Semiramis of Babylon.

While some believe that Constantine had a real conversion to Christ, many others doubt his sincerity and instead see all this as part of his political rallying. It is said that Constantine was baptized while on his death bed in case there was a resurrection. Surely this would describe a man who embraced Christians and Christianity more for political purposes than spiritual reasons, but we cannot know for sure. Either way it is probably fair to say that he had little understanding about the doctrine of Christ and matters of faith. Yet he had the final decision on many Church matters.

Athanasius

Earlier in this page I said that we would talk about a man called Athanasius. This man was revolutionary in the development of the Trinity Doctrine. He lived in the time of Emperor Constantine’s rule. The disciples of Christ had been scattered by persecution where they spread the gospel of the kingdom far and wide. In Egypt, Christian missionaries found ready acceptance of the gospel and as what usually happens, the growing numbers of believers began to gravitate toward certain charismatic leaders. The two most famous of these men were Arius and Athanasius. Both men were from the learned city of Alexandria. While both these men were Christians, they had some opposing views on who and what Jesus was.

Arius (c.250-336) held that Christ is the Son of God, and that because He is the Son He therefore had a beginning. He said:
“It is a necessary condition of the filial relation,” He wrote, “that the Father must be older than his Son. The Father and the Son are of “like substance” (or nature) and therefore Christ is divine and worthy of worship.

Athanasius, the Bishop of Alexandria, headed the opposing view which held that the Father and the Son are of “one substance,” coequal, and co-eternal”. He and his followers asserted that the doctrine of Arius lowered the Son making Him less worthy of worship than the Father.

NOTE: This writing isn’t supporting Arius view due to the lack of knowledge about everything Arius taught. Rather it is just sounding out the development of the Trinity Doctrine..

Moving on, history records that there were heated debates between these two factions. The citizens of Alexandria amused themselves with theatrical satires and plays depicting the protagonists, and not many years went by before it could be said that nearly every Christian man and woman had an opinion concerning the nature of Christ. The Jews and Pagans exasperated things by their mocking derision.

Emperor Constantine was at first very amused by all the squabbling as it kept the people occupied. But as the controversy dragged on, he finally called a council of nearly 300 bishops to settle the matter, although only a fraction turned up due to their lack of trust in him.

The rise of the creeds

The first ecumenical council of the Christian church took place in Nicaea, now in modern Turkey (c.325), 294 years after the death of Christ. The presence of the emperor added to the vehemence of the arguments. He would listen to all sides and then rule. His verdict would decide truth.

As to the main point, the Son was declared to be of the “same substance” with the Father. Arius was branded a heretic and banished to one of the remote provinces of Illyricum. The conclusion was ambiguous and settled nothing. The ruling of the Emperor was clear. He quickly issued letters denouncing Arius, and ordered that anyone found with a copy of his writings must burn it or be put to death.

Concerning the nature of Christ, the first Nicene Creed reads: “The Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church anathematizes those who say that there was a time when the Son of God was not; and that before he was begotten he was not, and that he was made out of nothing, or out of another substance or essence, and is created, or changeable, or alterable.”

At the Council of Nicaea, the debate was over the nature of Christ (begotten vs unbegotten). The nature of the Spirit was not an issue. It would be another fifty-six years before the institutional church would decree worship of the Holy Spirit.

History records Emperor Constantine as a criminal. He had murdered his son Crispus, his nephew Licenius, and suffocated in a steam-bath his wife of twenty years Fausta, mother of three of his sons. The public abhorrence of his deeds could not be concealed. A plaque comparing his reign to that of Nero was afixed to the palace gate. Constantine threatened to massacre the Roman populace who had insulted him.

Remember, this is the same Constantine who many say feigned a “conversion” to Christ, but not wanting to antagonize the pagan element, waited until he lay on his death bed to be “baptized” (just in case there is indeed a judgment). He also decreed that Christians and pagans should “rest” on the same day – Sunday.

The story doesn’t end here however. Constantine’s son who took over the reign as Emperor, and he followed the teaching of Arius. Constantine’s favorite sister was also a supporter of the disreputed teacher. She prevailed upon her brother and barely three years after the date of the council, Arius was restored to favor. He was treated by the whole court with the respect which would have been due to an innocent and oppressed man. His faith was approved by the synod of Jerusalem; and the emperor seemed impatient to repair his injustice. He issued a royal command that Arius should receive the holy communion in the cathedral of Constantinople. But on the same day which had been fixed for His triumph, Arius died very suddenly and under strange circumstances. The opponents of Arius said that God had answered their prayers and saved the church from the worst of her enemies. The three principle leaders of the Catholics, Athanasius of Alexandria, Eustathius of Antioch, and Paul of Constantinople were deposed, accused by numerous councils; and were afterwards banished to distant provinces. The believers were left to choose what they would believe with regard to the death of Arius – be it miracle or poisoning.

The council which took place in Nicaea (c.325) was only the first of nine “world” councils in early church history. Creed followed creed. The seventh ecumenical council, the second to take place in Nicaea (c.787) was convened by the Byzantine empress Irene to rule on the use of saints’ images and icons in religious devotions. The council declared that the veneration of images was “legitimate” and the intercession of saints “efficacious,” yet their veneration must be distinguished from the worship due to the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

The Nicene Creed and the Holy Spirit

Regarding the Holy Spirit, the original Nicene Creed stated simply: “We believe in the Holy Spirit.”

This was later modified by the Council of Constantinople (c.381) to read: “We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father, who with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified, who spoke through the prophets.”

The Apostles’ Creed

The Apostles’ creed is not the work of the Apostles themselves. It had its origin in the form of a confession of faith recited by the candidate before baptism. It is based on a formula current in Rome (c.200) although its present form did not appear before the 6th century. It is used by Roman Catholics and many Protestant churches but has never been accepted by the Orthodox
churches.

“I believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth. I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord. He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary. He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried. He descended to the dead. On the third day he rose again. He ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. Amen.” The Apostles’ Creed

The Athanasian Creed

The first clear reference to this writing was made during the 6th century, therefore Athanasius himself is unlikely the author. It is Latin in origin, and in the Middle Ages it was regularly used in church services. Since the Reformation its use in worship service has been confined to the Roman Catholic church and the Anglican Communion, although it is now infrequently recited.

“We worship one God in Trinity and Trinity in Unity, neither confounding the Persons nor dividing the substance. We distinguish among the persons, but we do not divide the substance. For the Father is a distinct person; the Son is a distinct person; and the Holy Spirit is a distinct person. … The Father is eternal, the Son is eternal, the Holy Spirit is eternal. Nevertheless, there are not three eternal beings, but one eternal being. Thus there are not three uncreated beings, not three boundless beings, but one uncreated being and one boundless being. … Thus the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. But there are not three gods, but one God.” From the Athanasian Creed References:

Summary

Throughout the ancient world as far back as Babylon, it was common for pagans to worship triad gods. This was prevalent in Egypt (Horus, Osiris & Isis), India (Siva, Brahma & Vishnu), and Babylon (Nimrod, Semiramis, Tammuz. also known as Ishtar, Sin & Shamash). So while we may have traditionally thought that Paganism was conquered by Christianity, it is probably more accurate to say that Christianity assimilated it. Even the fact that Christians worship on Sunday, was the adoption of a Pagan festival, because the Jews worship on the Sabbath and the traditional birth date of Jesus as being December 25 is the traditional day of birth of the Babylonian Trinity son, Tammuz.

So how did the doctrine become so entrenched over the millennia? Surely over the centuries men would read their bibles and declare the Trinity Doctrine to be false. What we need to realise is the Trinitarian Church and her workers withheld the scriptures from the people for over a thousand years. This gave plenty of time for the doctrine to take root and be firmly established. This is why even to this day you get serious opposition if you oppose this doctrine. Not only were those who opposed it killed, but most did not own a bible to check if this was so. Even to this day a great fear comes upon many who dare to question this doctrine.

Finally, we know that the Jews reject the notion of a triune God. However, we also know that the Jews have a temporary blindness on them regarding who their messiah is. But never do we read of the Jews being rebuked for believing in only one God or being blinded to the Trinity. Instead what we read is that they failed to recognise their messiah. Surely if God was a Trinity, then the ancient Jews and Jews today would have taught it. Yet to this day, devout Jews reject the Trinity Doctrine which is another sign that the doctrine is of pagan origin.


Discussion

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  • #820194
    GeneBalthrop
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    Nick….There are temples of God, both in heaven and also in the bodies of his saint’s, as it say, “know you not that your “bodies” are a temple of GOD, there is also the temple of God in heaven as revelation shows. But either way, JESUS is the “only” “man” who has taken his seat there, whether the temple in heaven or the temple in human hearts, makes no difference brother he is the only “man” existing there as a GOD, NO other “man” has ever taken his seat in any temple as a God or is being worshped as such.

    Remember what it says, because they “fallen christanity” did not recieve the love of truth , God would send them a “strong” delusion in order for them to belive a “LIE”, That “lie” is that the “MAN” Jesus is a GOD. This False “IMAGE” OF Jesus turns the true conseption of JESUS into a FALSE IMAGE OF HIM. IT is this very “LIE” about Jesus that Jesus himself will destroy,by his own mouth at his return.

    There is no real “man of sin” it is simply a “LIE” ABOUT JESUS HIMSELF.

    You ask “when did he” do this or that, JESUS never did any of it, it was done by Satan himself working through the fallen church members, that is why it says it comes after the “working of satan”. Satan plan was to seperate humanity from THE MAN JESUS, so he created “A LIE” about Jesus.

    You also ask when did he become an “IMAGE”? WHEN these fallen ones under the sway of SATAN turned the true JESUS unto the JESUS THE WORLD BELIEVES TODAY. Didn’t JESUS himself say, ” many” would come “in MY NAME” saying I AM and “DECIEVE” many. It all had to do with the perceptions of JESUS that would decieve people.

    Nick…..who would ever believe any man on this earth is A GOD, and WORSHIPED him AS SUCH, no one in there right mind would believe that today. Paul in 2th2 was prophecing about what would be taking place within the church, PAUL and John were both concerned about what was taking place inside the churches, not the world as some persume, they could care less about the world, they were not concerned about the world, it was the churches they were writing to, not this ungodly world.

    Think about this Nick, listen to the spirit, it will bring to mind all the supporting scriptures. i know you are fully capable of understanding it.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

    #820195
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    unconvincing.

    None of the verses say what you say.

    You seem to dress up your own ideas in biblical type language – but they remain your ideas.

    #820267
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Nick…..well it might seem that way, but go a reread 2ths2, with these things in mind’

    1….who do you know that is a man and now siting at the right hand of GOD, and is being worshped and desplayed as a GOD?
    2….Does it not say that because they recieved not the love of the truth , God would send them a deluding spirit inorder for them to believe “A LIE”. Tell me what “LIE” WERE THEY TO BELIEVE?, WAS IT NOT A LIE ABOUT THIS MAN, BEING A GOD?
    3….WHO do you know that is a man and is being worshiped as a GOD? IS IT NOT JESUS?
    4….DID not Paul say that that iniquity was already at work., and indeed it was in the false teachings of the ANITCHRISTS, SUCH AS THE GNOSTIC’S, who was turning Jesus from a man into a God. This “LIE” was infecting the whole church, causing it to fall away from the truth.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

    #820268
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    You believe your idea.

    Done.

    #820270

    Hi Gene

    Good luck in your search for truth. Read the words in our Christian bible that Christ reportedly stated the day before his death. The Spirut of Truth is our Route to Absolute Truth among all things.

    2nd Timpthy 2:15 Paul told Timothy to Study to show thouself approved unto God, rightly dividing the word of Truth.

    Complex even in those days when we had little access to the untold variables that should guide us on our path while in physical form here on earth. New variables often yield old truths to be transgenic truth as we journey through time.

    time changes all things, only absolute truth passes time. Some among us might gesture the word God is a valid description of absolute Truth.

    spirituality, defined by those among us who experience spiritual manifestation is difficult for others to comprehend, so complex spirituality in a realm that defies description in the words of humanity.

    spirituality is a realm described by absolute truth if/when humanity discovers the variables that surround spirituality, a word to describe a reality that resides within the confines of a spectrum we also reside in but are currently unable to describe with the words of man because we are unable to identify, quantify or describe the variables.

    perhaps Time, Study, metaphysical transcendal meditation, and Prayer in all its forms will continue to lead us into elevated awareness that provides a spiritual access into a reality where we are aware of the essential elements required to discover the ultimate end of humanity or whatever.

    understanding biblical descriptions of heaven -vs- hell written at a time when our Anglo language reportedly had near 50,000 words, compared to now where billions of words are used within the language of humanity exposing the probability we are still in a preliteracy Era that only Information Technology can be used to sort out the linguistic variable alone, not considering other variables like; Energy, geological, physiological, chemical, bacterial, viral, fungal, elemental~etc

    artificial constructs used for simply sorting out and quantifying data to construct artificial matrices-matrix sufficient to predict the moment with a perspective into our future is in its infancy due to our entire system currently quantified and managed by the Laws and Statutes of humanity using a so-called case law system that actually redirects our efforts of discovery toward prior opinions of humanity. Defining whatever we can, cannot do as determined by lawyers  judges, tribunals, sub-cultures whose opinions are the only ones we must obey. It’s as if INSTEAD OF DICTATORS, KINGS, we suddenly have enormous numbers of people who determine everything for everyone else. To further complicate our present reality money can be used to alter the judicial opinion to allow wealthy people to be immune to laws others must obey.

    the most powerful gangs among us have gathered under our reformed education system that goes beyond literacy and methods of discovery. These gangs have developed an ” academic caste system ” whereby those accredited with diplomas are given authority over humanity in certain subjects of study like; law, medicine, accounting, etc that gives gang members sole authority over human rights, actions, property rights, family, mines, wells, mills, manufacturing, transporting, warehousing, selling, whatever we use, consume, store etc etc. each day entire new volumes are written up to define new laws often written up by unethical predators using so-called lobbyists to bribe THEIR laws into statutes we are forced to  endure

    Gangs of lawyers-medical-financial groups etc adamantly refuse hardware-software data science systems that would reveal the danger of predatory laws and regulations and provide better direction for all.

    these regulators are quietly shuttering us from research and development required IF we are to go forward into time with access to Truth.

    our national heritage are being removed under a multicultural globalist experiment that ignores our religious heritage which in reality created our communication system, designed to incorporate new variables into our alphanumeric languages. These new rulers ignore the origin of our civilization and suddenly decide their Family Dynasties WHO HAVE SEIZED OUR ASSETS in a predatory fashion, have the power of opinion without considering the variables that surround their uninformed opinions. It’s becoming worse than dictators, kings, or rulers of all manner of human limitations.

    While we have developed information systems to allow us access into Truth yet defined, our lawmakers are empowered by financial predators who use their power to rule the earth, resurrecting NOBILITY-SLAVERY back into our world under other words and laws.

    Our religious heritage is an elemental part of who we are, our entire communication system our scientific progress,nethics, logic, morality, it’s who we are.

    Other belief systems coming from primative cultures are being forced into our communities without considering the consequences. These belief systems are construed by legal statutes to be equal to our own, since they are intolerant of us, then their murderous, immoral, unethical, alogical acts are tolerated by the legal tribunals who determine whet we can do, thus our Christian Culture is destroyed by people incapable of equating simple logic, yet are endowed with the power of opinion over our entire Christian culture whose discoveries were leading the entire world into a better place in time.

    the TURN THE OTHER CHEEK does not relate if we are to oppose demonic-satanic forces being forced into our Christian Society by the Legal Rulers of our Nation and indeed the world.

    we have recently managed to empower a government attempting to change course from the current multicultural-globalist agenda fostered by our financial community attempting to create their so-called NWO or New World Order, whereby the central bank system leads the march into a world whereby these Family Dynasties control our cash flows our resources of goods and services, our manufacturing made by virtual slaves, sold by hireling servants into THEIR VISION of what our world is.

    it remains to be seen IF we can resurrect our christian nation from its current path

    we can only, hope, pray, and conduct ourselves according to the way we were before our NWO began to occupy our government. The significant problem already here are an enormous population from other not-christian nations who unlike ourselves are intolerant of Christianity and they are currently under protection of LAW who force us to ABANDON the Christian Nation we were before the LAWYERS-JUDGES-BANKSTERS-FINANCIAL MONSTERS decided to end our Christian Nation.

    ” God Bless the United States of America “and may we endure Making America great again.

    There is No Other God than Absolute Truth, the meaning of our GOD which without we are nothing but servants for human monsters that define our end of a better life through Truth.

     

     

     

    #820275
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    In spirit of truth……if any man has the spirit of truth given him by God the Father, it will guide him into all truth. Just as it says in scriptures.

    John 16:13….Howbeit when he, the spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear that shall he speak: and he shall shew you things to come.

    1 John 2:27…but the anointing which you have recieved of him abides in you, and you need not that any man teach you: but as the same anoimting teaches you of all things, and is truth, and is no “lie”, and even as it has taught you, you shall abide in him.

    We have no need of a teacher because the spirit itself teaches us.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

    #820277
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Gene,

    Test all things.

    Hold fast to what is good.

    Test your dogmas by the Word of God.

    One verse wrongly interpreted is no foundation.

    #820278

    Hi Nick

    from reading religious scripture it appears our bibles seemingly ever changing over time originally from language species either translated from translations and/or from languages no longer spoken may be the word of God or the word of men interpreted from,other words of men. Are messages whose meanings are as different as those who read our bibles. Since no one is the same, it’s difficult to determine any form of universal religious truth considering religious literature may be considered intangible, with meaning to those who read and interpret according to their/our individual perspective.

    can it be the word of man in the form of absolute truth is the word of God ?

    while the changes in scripture on one scale is the omission of entire books and on a lessor scale little changes in grammar. 

    Help,me out here with the meaning of dogma or one verse misinterpretation ?

    thanks, await your perspective to clarify understanding of scriptures

     

    #820279
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi In the Spirit of truth,

    Thy Word is truth. Jn 15

    The  living bread of scripture feeds the soul. Jn 6

    My faith is in the Spirit that wrote the scriptures through men. 2 Peter 1

    I know that God protects His truth. But doubters will always doubt the ability of God . Jas1

    The influence of men is less important as we have the ability to compare verses and find parallel verses to establish truth.

    2cor 13.1

    #820294
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    To all……There are many scriptures that have been corrupted by the GREEK language and misinterpreted some words even use ten to twenty different meanings for the same word. You must be lead to understand them by the SPIRIT OF TRUTH that abides within us. If a person has not the SPIRIT OF TRUTH ABIDING IN HIM, he simply will not understand many scriptures that are written. JUST AS JESUS , THEY HAVE EARS TO HEAR BUT UNDERSTAND NOT, EYES TO SEE BUT PERCIEVE NOT.

    Mark 4:12…”that seeing they may see, and not percieve, and hearing they may hear, and not understand, lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.”

    Peace and love to you all and yours……….gene

    #820300
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    2 Peter 1.19

    So we have the prophetic Word made more sure, to which you do well to any attention as to a lamp shing in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts

    Who is the Morning Star?

    Rev 22.16

    I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you these things for the churches.

    I am the root and the descendant of David,

    the bright morning star.

     

    So when the Spirit of Christ rules and teaches in your heart you will grasp the prophetic word.

    #861998
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Funny seeing how this topic ended once Gene and Nick went head to head. Lol.

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