What is your confession? – The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God.
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of ‘God’.
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources

Let’s take a look at what different persons or beings believed about who Jesus Christ of Nazareth really was.

The foundation of the Catholic Church (&  most  Protestant churches)

The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. Hence God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. These three persons make up one God. But rather than each being one-third of God, each person is co-equal and co-eternal, and 100% God

Now compare the above to what others in scripture confess about the identity and role of Jesus Christ.

Demons

Moreover, demons came out of many people, shouting, “You are the Son of God!” But he rebuked them and would not allow them to speak, because they knew he was the Christ. (Luke 4:41)

“What have I to do with you, Jesus, you Son of the Most High God?
I adjure you by God, don’t torment me.”
For he said to him, “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!”
He asked him, “What is your name?”
He said to him, “My name is Legion, for we are many.”

Nowhere do demons say Jesus is God. Instead they knew that he was the son of God.

Satan

Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.
“If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written: “`He will command his angels
concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’

Nowhere is it written that Satan calls Jesus God. Rather he too knows that Jesus is the son of God.

Roman centurion

“Surely he was the Son of God!” (Matthew 27:54)

Among this centurion, all the other onlookers, those that heard the words of Jesus, and even those that only heard about him, none of them ever said that Jesus was God, Instead they said he was either mad, a false prophet, a true prophet, Elijah, John the Baptist, the messiah, and the son of God. For the centurion to utter these true words, it must have been obvious that Jesus was claiming to be the son of God, to his mind at least.

Peter

“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven”. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, (Matthew 16:17-18)

If you were given the opportunity from Jesus to answer the same question from Jesus, “who am I”, would your answer be as Peter or would it instead be “you are God”. If it is the latter, do you not think it at least strange that Peter didn’t take this opportunity to say that Jesus was God like you would? I mean, do you know more than Peter? Surely if the foundation of the Church were really the Trinity, then Peter would have said that Jesus was God and part of the Trinity and then Jesus would have built his Church on that. Instead what we clearly see is that the foundation was built on the fact that Jesus is the son of God and the Christ.

Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, (1 Peter 1:3)

Peter clearly acknowledges that God is the Heavenly Father and that he is the God of Jesus. This is quite different to the Trinity Doctrine which confesses that Jesus is God and part of a Triune God. Nowhere is it written that Peter said or taught that Jesus Christ is God.

John

But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. (John 20:31)

The Book of John is said to be the book that teaches the Trinity. After all, most consider John 1:1 to be the cornerstone of the Trinity Doctrine. Yet the truth is that the whole point of the Book of John was to believe what John said above, Is it not strange then that men say that John was teaching the Trinity when John himself says that his book was written so that you would believe  that Jesus is the son of God and the messiah.

John also wrote in the first verse of the Book of Revelation the following:

The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, (Revelation 1:1)

Clearly God and Jesus are different. And John gave a warning about this book.

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll. (Revelation 22:18-19)

If you believe that the Book of Revelation teaches Jesus is God or part of the Trinity, then you are clearly adding to these words of this book.

Paul

Paul’s creed is as follows:

For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. (1 Corinthians 8:5-6)

Notice that Paul says for US, there is ONE God the Father and ONE Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ. So why is it then that many others basically say, for THEM, there is one God the Father, Son, and Spirit. And one Lord, the Lord Father, Lord Son, and Lord Spirit. Surely this is a departure from the truth.

In case you think this is just a difficult translation, Paul basically repeats his creed here:

there is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. (Ephesians 4:4-6)

and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 1:4)

Where in Paul’s creed is the Trinity? Where in Paul’s creed is Jesus is God. Clearly according to our brother Paul, Jesus is the Lord and the Son. And to show you that Lord is different to God, I present you with the words of Peter:

“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ. (Acts 2:36)

So Paul and Peter demonstrate that Paul was an avid teacher of Jesus being the son of God, the messiah, and the Lord and that it was God who made Jesus Lord. Nowhere does Paul teach that Jesus is God or part of a Trinity.

Gabriel

He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.” “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?” The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. (Luke 1:32-35)

God’s messenger Gabriel, tell us who Jesus is. Nowhere in scripture does Gabriel or any other angel state that Jesus is God or part of the Trinity. He even forecasts that he will be called the Son of the Most High. Who is the Most High then? Certainly not Jesus because he is his son of the Most High.

Jesus

Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. (John 17:3)

To those who won’t listen to Peter, John, or Paul, surely they will listen to the words of Jesus? And if anyone knew who Jesus was it would surely be Jesus himself. So what does Jesus say about God and himself? He states that the following truth is eternal life. And what truth is that? Is it the Trinity as many would have you believe? Is it that Jesus is God? No, it is that the Father is the only true God and that the only true God sent Jesus Christ into the world.

Do we believe what Jesus said, or shall we believe the cleverly devised fables of men and doctrines of demons which seems to be the majority’s opinion on this subject.

The Father

“This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to Him.” (Mark 9:7)

Notice that the highest authority in existence (the Father) did not say that Jesus is God and part of the Trinity. He never even hinted at such an idea. If you or anyone else rejects Peter, John, Paul, and even Jesus words above, then will you listen to the Father?

So what should your confession be?

Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.. (1 John 2:22)

Clearly, Jesus is the messiah and the son of God. To believe otherwise is of the antichrist spirit. Replacing this with a doctrine that Jesus is God or part of a Trinity is clearly wrong. Believing this and adding it as a requirement is even worse. Yet many churches have done this very thing by making the Trinity Doctrine the foundation of their church. In scripture we clearly see that the true Church is the Body of Christ and this Church is built on the truth that Jesus is the Christ and the son of God. Not the Trinity as many expect.

Now that we can see from scripture who Jesus really is, what should be our confession right now? It should be that Jesus Christ is Lord.

that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
    in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
    and every tongue acknowledge 
    that Jesus Christ is Lord,
    to the glory of God the Father. (Philippians 2:9-11)

So why not start today. Instead of confessing that Jesus Christ is God, why not confess the truth instead, that Jesus Christ is Lord, the son of God, and the messiah. If you truly believe that, then you believe correctly regarding who Jesus is and this is important because it is the Father who has revealed the son to us.


Discussion

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  • #796636
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Jesus is the Christ, the son of the living God.

    Why have you stopped responding?

    #796637
    Ed J
    Participant


    @EDJ

    So how many parents does Adam have?

    None, he was Created not begotten.
    Adam was made “son of God” by the spirit of adoption.
    Jesus was born the divine “Son of God” as he said: “I came forth from the Father”

    ”For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have
    believed that I came out from God.
    I came forth from the Father” (John 16:27-28)

    islam is false – Jesus is Lord

    #796639
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    1. I came out from God (the spirit of Christ, which is part of God’s HolySpirit was breathed into Adam)
    2. I came forth from the Father (the spirit of Christ, which is part of God’s HolySpirit was impregnated into Mary)

    I don’t know why this is so hard for you to get.

    _______________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #796664
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Spiritual does not relate to the spirit of man.

    That is part of the NATURAL.

    #796665
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    The Spirit of Christ was never in Adam.

    Adam was not a prophet of God.

     

    #796668
    NickHassan
    Participant

    hi Ed,

    The Word came from God.

    The Spirit of Christ was speaking through Jesus.

    #796670
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    Adam was a created son of God.

    Jesus was made a Spiritual son at the jordan.

    We can be adopted into the same sonship as our Master

     

    #796675
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Hi KW,

    Spiritual does not relate to the spirit of man.

    That is part of the NATURAL.

    I do apply it symbolically when using Genesis 2:7.

    In Genesis 1 we are told God created humanity in the image of God.  That is Spiritual and not the spirit of man.

    #796678
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    So you ASSUME that it means we do not have a spirit of man but we share the Spirit of God?

    You go way beyond what is written.

    Do animals?

     

    #796679
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    God is the father of spirits.

    The Spirit of God, however, is one.

     

    #796716
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Where are you?

     

    #796719
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    The Spirit of Christ was never in Adam.

    Adam was not a prophet of God.

    Hi Nick,

    No? how or when did the spirit of Christ get into the prophets then?

    _______________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #796721
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    Is it written?

    But the Spirit of God is not in all men.

     

    God appoints and God anoints.

    #796841
    carmel
    Participant

     

    the spirit of Christ, which is part of God’s HolySpirit was breathed into Adam

    Edj,

    If Christ was established through Jesus’glorification, HOW MAY I ASK COULD HAVE BEEN IN ADAM?

    Also it is only due to Adam sin that there was the need of the Christ, THE MESSIAH! JESUS:

    THE DIVINE/MAN WHO BECAME CHRIST AFTER HE DIED!

    Which means that Jesus was anointed and became

    GOD IN FLESH, after He resurrected and  integrated with THE HOLY SPIRIT, Jesus’soul, as

     

    ONE SPIRIT OF CHRIST

     

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #796845
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    You asked questions to which I replied and since doing so you have not posted.

    Why?

    #796865
    Ed J
    Participant

    Adam was not a prophet of God.

    Hi Nick,

    What I said in no way suggests that I thought he was.
    My post to you was in reference to your first point,
    sorry for any possible misconception.

    _______________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #796866
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    The Spirit of Christ manifests in wisdom and knowledge and prophecy, healing and power.

     

    #796867
    Ed J
    Participant

    the spirit of Christ, which is part of God’s HolySpirit was breathed into Adam

    Edj,

    If Christ was established through Jesus’glorification, HOW MAY I ASK COULD HAVE BEEN IN ADAM?

    Also it is only due to Adam sin that there was the need of the Christ, THE MESSIAH! JESUS:

    THE DIVINE/MAN WHO BECAME CHRIST AFTER HE DIED!

    Which means that Jesus was anointed and became

    GOD IN FLESH, after He resurrected and integrated with THE HOLY SPIRIT, Jesus’soul, as

    ONE SPIRIT OF CHRIST

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    Hi Charles,

    The bible in 1Peter 1:11 says that “the Spirit of Christ” was in the Prophets

    What we are discussing is the “what” “where” and “how”
    What I have considered: “the Spirit of Christ” ALONG WITH
    Gods’ HolySpirit was breathed into Adam from the very get-go.

    What say you?

    _______________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #796869
    NickHassan
    Participant

    hi ED,

    It is not written.

    So it remains your own speculation.

     

    What God has made plain is that the gift of His own Spirit transforms natural men.

    And if men allow that divine Spirit to control them they become sons of God.

     

    Such is the ultimate plan of God to allow us to become spiritually united with Him.

    It arises out of our hopeless state of condemnation because of service to the god of this world.

    Those who do not take up this offer remain under His wrath and become part of the dregs of creation.

     

    #796870
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    All men are enlivened by the human spirit.

    We are designed as vessels for the divine Spirit.

     

    One sees us through 70-80 years or so.

    The Holy Spirit gives us eternal life.

     

    ECC 12.Jn 4, Jn7

    We need to find the waters of life before the rope breaks and the bucket falls to the bottom of the well.

    .

     

     

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