What is your confession? – The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God.
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of ‘God’.
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources

Let’s take a look at what different persons or beings believed about who Jesus Christ of Nazareth really was.

The foundation of the Catholic Church (&  most  Protestant churches)

The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. Hence God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. These three persons make up one God. But rather than each being one-third of God, each person is co-equal and co-eternal, and 100% God

Now compare the above to what others in scripture confess about the identity and role of Jesus Christ.

Demons

Moreover, demons came out of many people, shouting, “You are the Son of God!” But he rebuked them and would not allow them to speak, because they knew he was the Christ. (Luke 4:41)

“What have I to do with you, Jesus, you Son of the Most High God?
I adjure you by God, don’t torment me.”
For he said to him, “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!”
He asked him, “What is your name?”
He said to him, “My name is Legion, for we are many.”

Nowhere do demons say Jesus is God. Instead they knew that he was the son of God.

Satan

Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.
“If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written: “`He will command his angels
concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’

Nowhere is it written that Satan calls Jesus God. Rather he too knows that Jesus is the son of God.

Roman centurion

“Surely he was the Son of God!” (Matthew 27:54)

Among this centurion, all the other onlookers, those that heard the words of Jesus, and even those that only heard about him, none of them ever said that Jesus was God, Instead they said he was either mad, a false prophet, a true prophet, Elijah, John the Baptist, the messiah, and the son of God. For the centurion to utter these true words, it must have been obvious that Jesus was claiming to be the son of God, to his mind at least.

Peter

“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven”. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, (Matthew 16:17-18)

If you were given the opportunity from Jesus to answer the same question from Jesus, “who am I”, would your answer be as Peter or would it instead be “you are God”. If it is the latter, do you not think it at least strange that Peter didn’t take this opportunity to say that Jesus was God like you would? I mean, do you know more than Peter? Surely if the foundation of the Church were really the Trinity, then Peter would have said that Jesus was God and part of the Trinity and then Jesus would have built his Church on that. Instead what we clearly see is that the foundation was built on the fact that Jesus is the son of God and the Christ.

Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, (1 Peter 1:3)

Peter clearly acknowledges that God is the Heavenly Father and that he is the God of Jesus. This is quite different to the Trinity Doctrine which confesses that Jesus is God and part of a Triune God. Nowhere is it written that Peter said or taught that Jesus Christ is God.

John

But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. (John 20:31)

The Book of John is said to be the book that teaches the Trinity. After all, most consider John 1:1 to be the cornerstone of the Trinity Doctrine. Yet the truth is that the whole point of the Book of John was to believe what John said above, Is it not strange then that men say that John was teaching the Trinity when John himself says that his book was written so that you would believe  that Jesus is the son of God and the messiah.

John also wrote in the first verse of the Book of Revelation the following:

The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, (Revelation 1:1)

Clearly God and Jesus are different. And John gave a warning about this book.

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll. (Revelation 22:18-19)

If you believe that the Book of Revelation teaches Jesus is God or part of the Trinity, then you are clearly adding to these words of this book.

Paul

Paul’s creed is as follows:

For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. (1 Corinthians 8:5-6)

Notice that Paul says for US, there is ONE God the Father and ONE Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ. So why is it then that many others basically say, for THEM, there is one God the Father, Son, and Spirit. And one Lord, the Lord Father, Lord Son, and Lord Spirit. Surely this is a departure from the truth.

In case you think this is just a difficult translation, Paul basically repeats his creed here:

there is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. (Ephesians 4:4-6)

and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 1:4)

Where in Paul’s creed is the Trinity? Where in Paul’s creed is Jesus is God. Clearly according to our brother Paul, Jesus is the Lord and the Son. And to show you that Lord is different to God, I present you with the words of Peter:

“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ. (Acts 2:36)

So Paul and Peter demonstrate that Paul was an avid teacher of Jesus being the son of God, the messiah, and the Lord and that it was God who made Jesus Lord. Nowhere does Paul teach that Jesus is God or part of a Trinity.

Gabriel

He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.” “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?” The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. (Luke 1:32-35)

God’s messenger Gabriel, tell us who Jesus is. Nowhere in scripture does Gabriel or any other angel state that Jesus is God or part of the Trinity. He even forecasts that he will be called the Son of the Most High. Who is the Most High then? Certainly not Jesus because he is his son of the Most High.

Jesus

Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. (John 17:3)

To those who won’t listen to Peter, John, or Paul, surely they will listen to the words of Jesus? And if anyone knew who Jesus was it would surely be Jesus himself. So what does Jesus say about God and himself? He states that the following truth is eternal life. And what truth is that? Is it the Trinity as many would have you believe? Is it that Jesus is God? No, it is that the Father is the only true God and that the only true God sent Jesus Christ into the world.

Do we believe what Jesus said, or shall we believe the cleverly devised fables of men and doctrines of demons which seems to be the majority’s opinion on this subject.

The Father

“This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to Him.” (Mark 9:7)

Notice that the highest authority in existence (the Father) did not say that Jesus is God and part of the Trinity. He never even hinted at such an idea. If you or anyone else rejects Peter, John, Paul, and even Jesus words above, then will you listen to the Father?

So what should your confession be?

Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.. (1 John 2:22)

Clearly, Jesus is the messiah and the son of God. To believe otherwise is of the antichrist spirit. Replacing this with a doctrine that Jesus is God or part of a Trinity is clearly wrong. Believing this and adding it as a requirement is even worse. Yet many churches have done this very thing by making the Trinity Doctrine the foundation of their church. In scripture we clearly see that the true Church is the Body of Christ and this Church is built on the truth that Jesus is the Christ and the son of God. Not the Trinity as many expect.

Now that we can see from scripture who Jesus really is, what should be our confession right now? It should be that Jesus Christ is Lord.

that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
    in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
    and every tongue acknowledge 
    that Jesus Christ is Lord,
    to the glory of God the Father. (Philippians 2:9-11)

So why not start today. Instead of confessing that Jesus Christ is God, why not confess the truth instead, that Jesus Christ is Lord, the son of God, and the messiah. If you truly believe that, then you believe correctly regarding who Jesus is and this is important because it is the Father who has revealed the son to us.


Discussion

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  • #796054
    AndrewAD
    Participant

    So he was such a good man that God chose him,yet this was prophesied even in the stars! Cool,cool!!!

    #796057
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Andrew,

    Even Herod figured out from the scribes that he was important.

    #796061
    AndrewAD
    Participant

    Herod figured it a bit late or he would’ve sent men with the astrologers to worship this man child.But I guess Jesus hadn’t yet been adopted by God at that point.

    #796066
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Andrew.

    Adopted?

    God was his father according to the flesh.

    #796072
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T8,

    In the book of Galatians the word CHRIST appears 37 times, often in association with Jesus, or the Lord Jesus

    But the word JESUS

    NEVER

    appears by itself.

    What does this mean to you?

    #796079
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    In the book of Romans the word CHRIST appears 66 times

    On 33 of those occasions it is ONLY the word Christ

    On NO occasions is the word JESUS used alone

     

    God seems to be telling us something.

     

    #796080
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    I the books of Peter the word CHRIST appears 24 times

    On about 12 of those occasions it is used alone.

    The word Jesus never appears alone.

     

    It appears that Jesus refers to the flesh man and it is the anointing that makes him special to God.

    We should take more notice of the anointing too.

    The new creation is of the Spirit.

    Need I carry on?

    #796084
    Miia
    Participant

    Thought provoking points you make, Nick.

    As a sidenote:

    Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven.”

    Those who enter heaven seem to be:

    1) Calling on the son (‘Lord, Lord’)

    2) Doing the will of the Father.

    #796109
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    In the book of Romans the word CHRIST appears 66 times

    On 33 of those occasions it is ONLY the word Christ

    On NO occasions is the word JESUS used alone

    God seems to be telling us something.

    Could well be a good reason for that Nick.

    But doesn’t the following verse say Jesus without Christ appended?

    Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist–denying the Father and the Son.

    While it ties Jesus with Christ, it doesn’t say Jesus Christ, but takes the name Jesus on its own and says if you deny that Jesus is the Christ. At least in English anyway.

    #796111
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Jesus is the Christ. But was he always?

    Did not the WORD become flesh and dwell among us?

    #796112
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T8,

    Are you suggesting that Jesus was not conceived in Mary but somehow was in existence before that time?

    Was Mary only a surrogate mother for a demigod?

     

    #796113
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T8,

    You have never answered the question as to whether or not you have heard the Spirit speak through the mouth of Jesus.

    Jesus Christ told us it happened.

    #796157
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T8,

    Even if we once knew Jesus Christ according to the flesh we no longer do so.

    Now the Lord is the Spirit.2Cor3.17.2 cor 4.16

    The Spirit is the Spirit of Christ

    #796177
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Acts 2.36

    Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom you have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

     

    MADE Lord and Christ

    #796178
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Acts 17

    2 And Paul, as his manner was , went in unto them and three Sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, opening and alleging that Christ needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you is Christ.

     

    The Jews were expecting the messiah.

    Jesus was that anointed one.

     

    #796179
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Jesus is a figure of history known to the locals.

    God used this knowledge and took them from the natural world into the spiritual.

    #796264
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    Hebrews is different

    11 times the name JESUS appears, sometimes as OUR LORD and only twice CHRIST.

     

    #796265
    princess
    Participant

    So did the astrologers.
    “Osiris’s coming was announced by Three Wise Men: the three stars Mintaka, Anilam, and Alnitak in the belt of Orion, which point directly to Osiris’s star in the east, Sirius (Sothis), significator of his birth.

    Barbara Walker, The Woman’s Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets

    Easy there Nick.

    #796278
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Princess,

    The starry heavens are for the times and seasons.

    gen 1.14

    rev 12 1-6

     

    #796279
    bodhitharta
    Participant


    @Nick

    Hi T8,

    Are you suggesting that Jesus was not conceived in Mary but somehow was in existence before that time?

    Was Mary only a surrogate mother for a demigod?

    Jesus was not a demigod but he was a spirit that proceeded from God and was Holy/anointed/Christ from birth

    John 10:36
    say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

    He was sanctified before being sent

    Matthew 1:16
    and Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

    Matthew 2:4
    And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.

    So he was Christ at Birth

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