What is your confession? – The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God.
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of ‘God’.
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources

Let’s take a look at what different persons or beings believed about who Jesus Christ of Nazareth really was.

The foundation of the Catholic Church (&  most  Protestant churches)

The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. Hence God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. These three persons make up one God. But rather than each being one-third of God, each person is co-equal and co-eternal, and 100% God

Now compare the above to what others in scripture confess about the identity and role of Jesus Christ.

Demons

Moreover, demons came out of many people, shouting, “You are the Son of God!” But he rebuked them and would not allow them to speak, because they knew he was the Christ. (Luke 4:41)

“What have I to do with you, Jesus, you Son of the Most High God?
I adjure you by God, don’t torment me.”
For he said to him, “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!”
He asked him, “What is your name?”
He said to him, “My name is Legion, for we are many.”

Nowhere do demons say Jesus is God. Instead they knew that he was the son of God.

Satan

Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.
“If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written: “`He will command his angels
concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’

Nowhere is it written that Satan calls Jesus God. Rather he too knows that Jesus is the son of God.

Roman centurion

“Surely he was the Son of God!” (Matthew 27:54)

Among this centurion, all the other onlookers, those that heard the words of Jesus, and even those that only heard about him, none of them ever said that Jesus was God, Instead they said he was either mad, a false prophet, a true prophet, Elijah, John the Baptist, the messiah, and the son of God. For the centurion to utter these true words, it must have been obvious that Jesus was claiming to be the son of God, to his mind at least.

Peter

“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven”. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, (Matthew 16:17-18)

If you were given the opportunity from Jesus to answer the same question from Jesus, “who am I”, would your answer be as Peter or would it instead be “you are God”. If it is the latter, do you not think it at least strange that Peter didn’t take this opportunity to say that Jesus was God like you would? I mean, do you know more than Peter? Surely if the foundation of the Church were really the Trinity, then Peter would have said that Jesus was God and part of the Trinity and then Jesus would have built his Church on that. Instead what we clearly see is that the foundation was built on the fact that Jesus is the son of God and the Christ.

Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, (1 Peter 1:3)

Peter clearly acknowledges that God is the Heavenly Father and that he is the God of Jesus. This is quite different to the Trinity Doctrine which confesses that Jesus is God and part of a Triune God. Nowhere is it written that Peter said or taught that Jesus Christ is God.

John

But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. (John 20:31)

The Book of John is said to be the book that teaches the Trinity. After all, most consider John 1:1 to be the cornerstone of the Trinity Doctrine. Yet the truth is that the whole point of the Book of John was to believe what John said above, Is it not strange then that men say that John was teaching the Trinity when John himself says that his book was written so that you would believe  that Jesus is the son of God and the messiah.

John also wrote in the first verse of the Book of Revelation the following:

The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, (Revelation 1:1)

Clearly God and Jesus are different. And John gave a warning about this book.

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll. (Revelation 22:18-19)

If you believe that the Book of Revelation teaches Jesus is God or part of the Trinity, then you are clearly adding to these words of this book.

Paul

Paul’s creed is as follows:

For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. (1 Corinthians 8:5-6)

Notice that Paul says for US, there is ONE God the Father and ONE Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ. So why is it then that many others basically say, for THEM, there is one God the Father, Son, and Spirit. And one Lord, the Lord Father, Lord Son, and Lord Spirit. Surely this is a departure from the truth.

In case you think this is just a difficult translation, Paul basically repeats his creed here:

there is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. (Ephesians 4:4-6)

and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 1:4)

Where in Paul’s creed is the Trinity? Where in Paul’s creed is Jesus is God. Clearly according to our brother Paul, Jesus is the Lord and the Son. And to show you that Lord is different to God, I present you with the words of Peter:

“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ. (Acts 2:36)

So Paul and Peter demonstrate that Paul was an avid teacher of Jesus being the son of God, the messiah, and the Lord and that it was God who made Jesus Lord. Nowhere does Paul teach that Jesus is God or part of a Trinity.

Gabriel

He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.” “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?” The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. (Luke 1:32-35)

God’s messenger Gabriel, tell us who Jesus is. Nowhere in scripture does Gabriel or any other angel state that Jesus is God or part of the Trinity. He even forecasts that he will be called the Son of the Most High. Who is the Most High then? Certainly not Jesus because he is his son of the Most High.

Jesus

Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. (John 17:3)

To those who won’t listen to Peter, John, or Paul, surely they will listen to the words of Jesus? And if anyone knew who Jesus was it would surely be Jesus himself. So what does Jesus say about God and himself? He states that the following truth is eternal life. And what truth is that? Is it the Trinity as many would have you believe? Is it that Jesus is God? No, it is that the Father is the only true God and that the only true God sent Jesus Christ into the world.

Do we believe what Jesus said, or shall we believe the cleverly devised fables of men and doctrines of demons which seems to be the majority’s opinion on this subject.

The Father

“This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to Him.” (Mark 9:7)

Notice that the highest authority in existence (the Father) did not say that Jesus is God and part of the Trinity. He never even hinted at such an idea. If you or anyone else rejects Peter, John, Paul, and even Jesus words above, then will you listen to the Father?

So what should your confession be?

Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.. (1 John 2:22)

Clearly, Jesus is the messiah and the son of God. To believe otherwise is of the antichrist spirit. Replacing this with a doctrine that Jesus is God or part of a Trinity is clearly wrong. Believing this and adding it as a requirement is even worse. Yet many churches have done this very thing by making the Trinity Doctrine the foundation of their church. In scripture we clearly see that the true Church is the Body of Christ and this Church is built on the truth that Jesus is the Christ and the son of God. Not the Trinity as many expect.

Now that we can see from scripture who Jesus really is, what should be our confession right now? It should be that Jesus Christ is Lord.

that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
    in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
    and every tongue acknowledge 
    that Jesus Christ is Lord,
    to the glory of God the Father. (Philippians 2:9-11)

So why not start today. Instead of confessing that Jesus Christ is God, why not confess the truth instead, that Jesus Christ is Lord, the son of God, and the messiah. If you truly believe that, then you believe correctly regarding who Jesus is and this is important because it is the Father who has revealed the son to us.


Discussion

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  • #792200
    bodhitharta
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    Kerwin

    You are so right the scripture will say: Romans 8:34English Standard Version (ESV)

    34 Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.

    The disbeliever says no he is God and interceding for himself…..drunk with nonsense

    Revelation 3:12
    Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more; and I will write upon him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, which is New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from My God, and I will write upon him My new name.

    How can a person not see Jesus calling someone his God, and if Jesus has a God that is the God that should be Worshiped as God.

    #792204
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi bd,

    The books of Paul are addressed to the saved. Check chapter 1

    So Jesus is not interceding for the heathen masses

    #792205
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Your view of God is theological.

    You can get closer than that if you spurn your idol.

    #792206
    kerwin
    Participant

    bodhitharta,

    You make some good points and there are many more that can be made but these human have chosen to embrace the irrational by condemning reason to human beings. In doing so they condemn Paul, who reasoned often, even though they claim to listen to him.

    #792207
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    I believe you mean those “that should be saved” (Acts 2:47 and 27:20)

    He is willing to teach even the heathen.

    #792211
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    No the sons of God PREACHED to the heathen.

    Teaching is reserved for the brothers.

    #792400
    carmel
    Participant

     

    God was in him reconciling the world to himself.

    Nick,

    John 20:21 He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you.

    SO THE FATHER SENT JESUS WITH HIS UNIQUE OVERALL FULL POWER GOD GLORIFIED

    AS MAN ON EARTH!

    ON HIS ENEMIES PLANET! WITH A NEW NAME!

    JESUS CHRIST FOR THE GLORY OF THE FATHER!

    WHILE HE IS HAVING HIS REST!

    NOW LET’S READ JOHN 17:25

    Just Father, the world hath not known thee; but I have known thee: and these have known that thou HAST SENT ME.

    26And I have made known

    THY NAME to them, and

    WILL MAKE IT KNOWN; why DID HE SAY SO? OBVIOUS SINCE HE WAS ABOUT TO GLORIFY, and ACQUIRE a NEW NAME!

    that the love wherewith thou hast loved me, may be in them, and I in them.

    SO ONCE HE RESURRECTED AND MANIFESTED HIMSELF TO THEM,WHICH WAS VITAL FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE CHURCH, THEY ACCEPTED HIM FULLY, WITH THE NEW NAME AS:

    JESUS CHRIST!

    BEFORE HE WAS ONLY JESUS,NO?

    So he respected the above statement before he died,and

    HE MADE THE FATHER’S NEW NAME KNOWN TO THEM AGAIN! as:

    THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST

    John20:22 When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them:

    RECEIVE YOU THE HOLY GHOST.

    NOW ONLY THE FATHER HAD THE POWER TO GIVE THE HOLY GHOST, BUT IN ORDER FOR JESUS TO MANIFEST TO THEM HIS UNIQUE POWER AND  THE NEW NAME,

    AS ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST, HE GAVE THEM HOLY GHOST, AND:

    23Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.

    CLEAR ISN’T IT, ONLY THE FATHER HAD AUTHORITY TO FORGIVE SINS, UP TO THAT MOMENT IN TIME, THE FACT THAT JESUS DID SO ALSO DURING HIS MISSION, BUT WITHIN HIM, HE HAD HIS FATHER!

    BUT NOW JESUS  MANIFESTED HIS OVERALL AUTHORITY, WHICH THE FATHER GAVE HIM, AND ALSO MADE HIS FATHER’S NAME KNOWN AGAIN, AS HE PROMISED,SO

    HE, HIMSELF PASSED THAT UNIQUE POWER TO HIS DISCIPLES!

    THE FACT THAT HE SAID:

    AS MY FATHER SENT ME, since ONLY his Father had the POWER AND AUTHORITY TO GIVE THE HOLY GHOST, AND TO FORGIVE SINS, HE DID THE SAME! AND SAID:

    I,
    ON THIS PLANET, AS THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRSIT,

    ALSO SEND YOU

     

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #792402
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    I do not read your long and bizarre diatribes sorry.

     

    #792404
    carmel
    Participant

    I do not read your long and bizarre diatribes sorry.

    Nick,

    WITH EVERY RESPECT THEY ARE NOT JUST FOR YOU SINCE YOU ARE ON MILK!

    #792405
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    You stray so far from what is written into your own fantasies.

    You add a few scriptures to glorify your personal  thoughts.

     

    Speak the language of scripture if you want to be taken seriously

    #792407
    carmel
    Participant

     

    I believe that Jesus, as the Son, exists in a place of equality with the Father…He is with God – He is God…(one in complete unity)

    DavidL

    The Son is in one glory with the Holy Ghost!

    THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST, FOR THE GLORY OF THE FATHER!

    John13:31 When he therefore was gone out, Jesus said: Now is

    the Son of man glorified,    “THE WORD” MADE FLESH, JESUS’ BODY ONLY!

    and God is glorified in him.  IN JESUS’ BODY, through the Holy Spirit, Jesus’ soul! HE BUILT JESUS’ BODY WITHIN MARY!

    32If God be glorified in him, God also will glorify him in himself;  

    and immediately will he glorify him.

    IN THE SAME INSTANT OF HIS DEATH,ON THE CROSS, THE HOLY SPIRIT ACQUIRED ALL JESUS’ FLESH ATTRIBUTES, AND BECAME BOTH SPIRIT AND FLESH!

    SO JESUS WAS GLORIFIED AS MUCH AS THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS!

    DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT, JESUS’SOUL INTEGRATED AND BECAME

    THE ONLY TRUE GOD,  spirit being  AND flesh  JESUS CHRIST

    THE MOST POWERFUL SPIRIT, THE FACT THAT THE FATHER PASSED ONTO JESUS ALL HIS ATTRIBUTES,AND HE IS THE OVER ALL RULER OF THE UNIVERSES!

    JESUS’ SPIRIT THE HOLY TRINITY IN THE SON,  “THE WORD”  IS THE SUBSTANCE WITHIN THE ENTIRE  SPIRIT AND TANGIBLE CREATION!

    THE FATHER IS NOT YET IN FULL POWER SINCE HE DOESN’T OWN THE FLESH BODY DIRECTLY!

    SO ONLY THROUGH JESUS CHRIST IS THE FATHER IN FULL POWER!

    THE FATHER IS REALLY IN HIS LONG REST!

    TILL THE LAST DAY OF THE LORD

     

    WHEN JESUS PASS HIS BODY TO THE FATHER TO BE

     

    ALL IN ALL

     

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #792408
    carmel
    Participant

     

    You stray so far from what is written into your own fantasies.

    Nick,

    BUT HOW IS IT THAT YOU SIMPLY SAY SO, WITHOUT ANY PROOF FROM YOUR SIDE

    UNLESS YOU PROVE WHAT YOU SAY!

    MINE STAND!

    WE ARE ALL HERE TO LEARN AND THAT’S WHAT I WANT

    TO LEARN FROM A PERSON LIKE YOU

    SINCE YOU’RE SO CONVINCED REGARDING YOU BELIEF AND YOU KNOWLEDGE!

     

    YOU SAID A MONSTROUS LIE WHEN YOU SAID THAT THE FATHER WAS IN JESUS!

    IF JESUS DIED AND GLORIFIED HOW ON EARTH THE FATHER  WAS IN JESUS????

    THAT’S A CONTRADICTION IN ITSELF

    YOU KNOW THAT?

    YOU SIMPLY SAID THAT JESUS CHRIST CAME ON EARTH MANIFESTED GOD’S WORK, DIED AND NOT ONLY  DIDN’T GLORIFY , BUT ALSO THE FATHER NEVER GLORIFIED!

    YOU BROUGHT GOD’S WORK TO NOTHING

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #792409
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    Did you ever wonder if you have wandered into Gnosticism?

    KNOWLEDGE of a spiritual but nonscriptural basis.

     

    A variation of the occult

    #792411
    carmel
    Participant

    Did you ever wonder if you have wandered into Gnosticism?

    KNOWLEDGE of a spiritual but nonscriptural basis.

    Nick,

    Unless you pin point, where and contradict me with scriptures!

    IT’S NO USE!

    ANYBODY CAN SIMPLY SAY SUCH THINGS, BUT ALL ARE VOID, AND USELESS WITHOUT PROOF!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #792413
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    To be safe you need to make sure every step you take can be shown in scripture more than once.2Cor 13.1

    To teach in expanded terms about LUCIFER when the word appears only once in scripture is unwise.

    You have no collateral evidence that what you say is true and you have to depend on opinion alone

    #792418
    carmel
    Participant

     

    To teach in expanded terms about LUCIFER when the word appears only once in scripture is unwise.

    Nick,

    Throughout the OT. the name Jesus Christ is not mentioned at all!

    THE OT. IS THE ENTIRE EVIDENCE OF JESUS CHRIST, AS THE MESSIAH!

    LUCIFER ALSO ONLY ONCE IS MENTIONED BUT THROUGHOUT THE OT. IS ALSO HIDDEN NOT AS LUCIFER, SINCE GOD ANNIHILATED HIM AS AN ARCHANGEL, BUT AS A CO CREATOR SINCE OUR WORLD IS GOOD AND EVIL

    NOT ONLY THAT BUT ONLY JESUS’ BAPTISM SEPARATED THESE TWO FUNDAMENTAL SPIRITS WHICH WE ARE MADE FROM!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #792722
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    I believe that Jesus, as the Son, exists in a place of equality with the Father…He is with God – He is God…(one in complete unity)


    @DavidL
    . He is with God. That makes HE and GOD. The former is the Son of God. Identifying Jesus Christ as the son of God is the true confession. He is Lord, Messiah, and Son of the living God.

    Be careful not to deny the one true God as the Father and Jesus as the Son of that one true God. If you do that, then you err.

    #792767
    carmel
    Participant

     

    Identifying Jesus Christ as the son of God is the true confession. He is Lord, Messiah, and Son of the living God.

    t8,

    TO BE PRECISE,

    JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD!

    JESUS DIED AND GLORIFIED AND BECAME:

    THE ONLY TRUE, GOD AND JESUS CHRSIT

    SO JESUS CHRIST ,not Jesus, INHERITED ALL GOD’S ATTRIBUTES INCLUDING THE TITLE OF

    GOD OF ALL FLESH!

    THEREFORE ALL THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSES ARE HIS PROPERTY!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    #792770
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi C,

    Trust not in your own understanding.

    Logic added does not improve it.

    #792774
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    SO ONCE HE RESURRECTED AND MANIFESTED HIMSELF TO THEM,WHICH WAS VITAL FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE CHURCH, THEY ACCEPTED HIM FULLY, WITH THE NEW NAME AS:

    JESUS CHRIST!

    BEFORE HE WAS ONLY JESUS,NO?

    Matthew 1:16
    And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

    Matthew 1:18
    Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

    Mark 1:1
    The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

    You are incorrect

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