What is your confession? – The Trinity Doctrine

Part 01 – The Trinity Doctrine
Part 02 – Who is the Most High God.
Part 03 – Who and what is Jesus?
Part 04 – The true meaning of ‘God’.
Part 05 – Supporting the Trinity
Part 06 – Pre-Nicene writings
Part 07 – Development of the Trinity
Part 08 – Why challenge the Trinity
Part 09 – Trinity Doctrine conclusion
Part 10 – An Apostasy
Part 11 – 100 indisputable proof verses
Part 12 – What is your confession?
Part 13 – The Roman Catholic faith
Part 14 – Trinity Doctrine resources

Let’s take a look at what different persons or beings believed about who Jesus Christ of Nazareth really was.

The foundation of the Catholic Church (&  most  Protestant churches)

The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. Hence God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. These three persons make up one God. But rather than each being one-third of God, each person is co-equal and co-eternal, and 100% God

Now compare the above to what others in scripture confess about the identity and role of Jesus Christ.

Demons

Moreover, demons came out of many people, shouting, “You are the Son of God!” But he rebuked them and would not allow them to speak, because they knew he was the Christ. (Luke 4:41)

“What have I to do with you, Jesus, you Son of the Most High God?
I adjure you by God, don’t torment me.”
For he said to him, “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!”
He asked him, “What is your name?”
He said to him, “My name is Legion, for we are many.”

Nowhere do demons say Jesus is God. Instead they knew that he was the son of God.

Satan

Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.
“If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written: “`He will command his angels
concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’

Nowhere is it written that Satan calls Jesus God. Rather he too knows that Jesus is the son of God.

Roman centurion

“Surely he was the Son of God!” (Matthew 27:54)

Among this centurion, all the other onlookers, those that heard the words of Jesus, and even those that only heard about him, none of them ever said that Jesus was God, Instead they said he was either mad, a false prophet, a true prophet, Elijah, John the Baptist, the messiah, and the son of God. For the centurion to utter these true words, it must have been obvious that Jesus was claiming to be the son of God, to his mind at least.

Peter

“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven”. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, (Matthew 16:17-18)

If you were given the opportunity from Jesus to answer the same question from Jesus, “who am I”, would your answer be as Peter or would it instead be “you are God”. If it is the latter, do you not think it at least strange that Peter didn’t take this opportunity to say that Jesus was God like you would? I mean, do you know more than Peter? Surely if the foundation of the Church were really the Trinity, then Peter would have said that Jesus was God and part of the Trinity and then Jesus would have built his Church on that. Instead what we clearly see is that the foundation was built on the fact that Jesus is the son of God and the Christ.

Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, (1 Peter 1:3)

Peter clearly acknowledges that God is the Heavenly Father and that he is the God of Jesus. This is quite different to the Trinity Doctrine which confesses that Jesus is God and part of a Triune God. Nowhere is it written that Peter said or taught that Jesus Christ is God.

John

But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. (John 20:31)

The Book of John is said to be the book that teaches the Trinity. After all, most consider John 1:1 to be the cornerstone of the Trinity Doctrine. Yet the truth is that the whole point of the Book of John was to believe what John said above, Is it not strange then that men say that John was teaching the Trinity when John himself says that his book was written so that you would believe  that Jesus is the son of God and the messiah.

John also wrote in the first verse of the Book of Revelation the following:

The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, (Revelation 1:1)

Clearly God and Jesus are different. And John gave a warning about this book.

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll. (Revelation 22:18-19)

If you believe that the Book of Revelation teaches Jesus is God or part of the Trinity, then you are clearly adding to these words of this book.

Paul

Paul’s creed is as follows:

For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. (1 Corinthians 8:5-6)

Notice that Paul says for US, there is ONE God the Father and ONE Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ. So why is it then that many others basically say, for THEM, there is one God the Father, Son, and Spirit. And one Lord, the Lord Father, Lord Son, and Lord Spirit. Surely this is a departure from the truth.

In case you think this is just a difficult translation, Paul basically repeats his creed here:

there is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. (Ephesians 4:4-6)

and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 1:4)

Where in Paul’s creed is the Trinity? Where in Paul’s creed is Jesus is God. Clearly according to our brother Paul, Jesus is the Lord and the Son. And to show you that Lord is different to God, I present you with the words of Peter:

“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ. (Acts 2:36)

So Paul and Peter demonstrate that Paul was an avid teacher of Jesus being the son of God, the messiah, and the Lord and that it was God who made Jesus Lord. Nowhere does Paul teach that Jesus is God or part of a Trinity.

Gabriel

He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.” “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?” The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. (Luke 1:32-35)

God’s messenger Gabriel, tell us who Jesus is. Nowhere in scripture does Gabriel or any other angel state that Jesus is God or part of the Trinity. He even forecasts that he will be called the Son of the Most High. Who is the Most High then? Certainly not Jesus because he is his son of the Most High.

Jesus

Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. (John 17:3)

To those who won’t listen to Peter, John, or Paul, surely they will listen to the words of Jesus? And if anyone knew who Jesus was it would surely be Jesus himself. So what does Jesus say about God and himself? He states that the following truth is eternal life. And what truth is that? Is it the Trinity as many would have you believe? Is it that Jesus is God? No, it is that the Father is the only true God and that the only true God sent Jesus Christ into the world.

Do we believe what Jesus said, or shall we believe the cleverly devised fables of men and doctrines of demons which seems to be the majority’s opinion on this subject.

The Father

“This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to Him.” (Mark 9:7)

Notice that the highest authority in existence (the Father) did not say that Jesus is God and part of the Trinity. He never even hinted at such an idea. If you or anyone else rejects Peter, John, Paul, and even Jesus words above, then will you listen to the Father?

So what should your confession be?

Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.. (1 John 2:22)

Clearly, Jesus is the messiah and the son of God. To believe otherwise is of the antichrist spirit. Replacing this with a doctrine that Jesus is God or part of a Trinity is clearly wrong. Believing this and adding it as a requirement is even worse. Yet many churches have done this very thing by making the Trinity Doctrine the foundation of their church. In scripture we clearly see that the true Church is the Body of Christ and this Church is built on the truth that Jesus is the Christ and the son of God. Not the Trinity as many expect.

Now that we can see from scripture who Jesus really is, what should be our confession right now? It should be that Jesus Christ is Lord.

that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
    in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
    and every tongue acknowledge 
    that Jesus Christ is Lord,
    to the glory of God the Father. (Philippians 2:9-11)

So why not start today. Instead of confessing that Jesus Christ is God, why not confess the truth instead, that Jesus Christ is Lord, the son of God, and the messiah. If you truly believe that, then you believe correctly regarding who Jesus is and this is important because it is the Father who has revealed the son to us.


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  • #790870
    Admin
    Keymaster

    I am expounding Jesus Christ’s words. Jesus said, “eternal life is this, that you may know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom he has sent”. Not my theory. Jesus own words instead. Do you trust in Jesus or not?

    #790871
    DavidL
    Participant

    you stubbornly persist in your delusions…trying to make the words of Jesus prove your own carnal theories, but really you are only fooling yourself (and maybe those who are vulnerable in their faith)..

    The fact is that no matter how much you hold up this verse…you are still teaching what every cult teaches…and probably for the same reason – turning away from reliance on the Spirit for interpretation of Scripture, to trust instead in your own natural understanding..!!

    thus you have become another ‘blind guide’ that Jesus warned us of…

    #790872
    Admin
    Keymaster

    DavidL, all you have left are false accusations. Jesus said that we would suffer as he has if we are of him. Now if you had scripture or some other good reason to backup what you said, I would consider your words, but only accusations with no basis whatsoever are not worrying to me in the least. I expect such behavior toward me if I am in Christ and doing God’s will. Because that drives people crazy and puts them on the offence by reason of them being offended. The secret here DavidL, it to not be offended by the truth. Let the truth have its way with you. Be transformed by the Word of Truth. No point in fighting against it. The truth will set you free, not bind you up. Fear not.

    #790873
    Admin
    Keymaster

    If I am deluded, then it is Jesus who has deluded me because I believe and trust in his words, “eternal life is this, that you may know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom he has sent”. Evidently you have not been deceived (as you call it) by Jesus Christ of Nazareth. This is basically what you are saying given the context.

    #790874
    DavidL
    Participant

    you are not deluded by Jesus – you delude yourself…because in truth you do not trust His words (as you falsely claim) – but lean on your own understanding, then try and support these carnal concepts with the words of Christ…

    “…impostors will flourish. They will deceive others and will themselves be deceived.” – 2 Timothy 3:13

    #790875
    Admin
    Keymaster

    I trust his words: “Eternal life is this, that you may know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom he has sent”. I trust this, teach this, promote this, and I am persecuted for this.

    #790876
    DavidL
    Participant

    Wake up t8 – the only persecution is your own conscience trying to tell you something..!!!

    #790877
    Admin
    Keymaster

    Not so. I repeat the very words of the saviour and accusations of false teaching etc are flung at me. But I am just the messenger. They are not my words. But eternal life is of utmost importance to me, so I believe my Lord when he said:

    “Eternal life is this, that you may know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom he has sent”.

    Jesus said it. I believe it. You do not believe him. That is the conclusion.

    #790878
    DavidL
    Participant

    unfortunately, even though you repeat the words of Jesus, they become utterly powerless and meaningless – because your motive is wrong…

    I defend the truth and you accuse me of persecution.. what can I say – more symptoms of your delusion..!?!

    #790879
    Admin
    Keymaster

    lol. So when Jesus said that the only true God is the Father and that the only true God sent him, he didn’t really mean that. It was a special code for the Trinity, but only those who have this spirit you talk of can decipher that Jesus did not mean that the Father was the only true God, but that he was talking of the Trinity as the true God.

    As I saw on a Tui billboard the other day. “Yeah right.”

    #790880
    DavidL
    Participant

    I know – you try and make the Trinity look confusing, when really it’s not..

    Bottom line – you use Scripture to deny Scripture..THAT is the real confusion.

    #790881
    Admin
    Keymaster

    Not even the greatest proponents of that doctrine understand it. They will be the first to say that it is beyond our understanding. So let’s not pretend that you understand it because I could ask you simple questions about the Trinity and you wouldn’t even attempt an answer. This you have proven to me already.

    #790882
    DavidL
    Participant

    Truth is never a doctrine to be understood in a logical sense…that is the mistake of man and the deception of Satan – who works endlessly to keep humanity and the church in darkness..

    We know the truth because right from the beginning of our conversion experience it is revealed to our hearts…yet Satan tries to pull our understanding back down to carnal level..he tempts us like he tempted Eve, to eat from the tree of knowledge…thinking we will become wise – yet even the good side of this tree brings death.

    #790883
    Admin
    Keymaster

    So if Peter says, repent and be baptised then it doesn’t logically mean what he said, but has some hidden meaning that we need to decipher. Likewise, when Jesus said, “eternal life is this, that you may know the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom he has sent”, then that too is a hidden meaning that the only true God is the Trinity made of three persons.

    I’m not buying it DavidL. I believe Jesus meant exactly what he said in the same way Peter did too. Further, the meaning of the word ‘occult’ is ‘hidden, secret’, giving me further reason to not buy what you are selling. You are trying to sell me a hidden secret, hidden scriptural understanding in scripture. So just accept that I am not going to buy your leaven. And it is fine if you reject Jesus words and my support of them when he says that the Father is the only true God. You are free to do so.

    #790884
    DavidL
    Participant

    – choose Life bro..!!

    #790885
    Admin
    Keymaster

    And what is life?

    Jesus said, “ETERNAL LIFE IS THIS, that you may know the ONLY true God, AND Jesus Christ WHOM HE has sent”>

    Amen, I choose life. I choose to believe. It gives me great joy to believe this.

    #790886
    DavidL
    Participant

    Jesus said to the Pharisees – “You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;”…

    You hold up Scripture to prove a doctrine that denies the very God you claim to serve..!!! How are you any different to the Pharisees who imposed their own dead doctrines over the Living Scriptures..!!??

    #790887
    Admin
    Keymaster

    DavidL, you say:

    -eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;”…

    You hold up Scripture to prove a doctrine that denies the very God you claim to serve..!!! How are you any different to the Pharisees who imposed their own dead doctrines over the Living Scriptures..!!??

    Yet I say that Jesus Christs is Lord and the son, and the messiah. You say that he is God, thus by your view, he has to be the son of himself. And because you do not believe that he is the son of himself, you then have to deny that he is the son if you stubbornly hold that he is God.

    One word describes this mess you are in: “BABYLON”.

    #777134
    Eric Njeru
    Guest

    I have read the bible for over 20 years and never realized that the trinity doctrine was nowhere from the scriptures! This doctrination starts from sunday school such that by the time you are old enough,its so holy to you to dicern it leave alone question it. This is life eternal,that u may know one true God, and christ jesus whom you have sent. What else do we need more than ‘life eternal’? This ends the debate. May the peace of our God, the father and the grace of our lord Jesus christ be with u all. Amen.

    #777135
    Admin
    Keymaster

    So true Eric. That alone is enough to believe because Jesus said it and he said it was eternal life. The point of salvation, eternal life, but some who are under fear are too scared to question what they have been taught even if Jesus contradicts it. This is the fear of man, but faith in God requires that we believe in God and believe the testimony of the one whom he sent.

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