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The Shepherd of Hermas was a very popular book produced in the early Church. It contains a number of visions with repentance and the Church as the main themes. While there are only three incomplete Greek manuscripts and a number of small fragments to draw upon, we have made the book available and linked in this audion too.

You can read the book by clicking the title below:

The Shepherd of Hermas
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  • March 8, 2013 at 3:58 am#337659
    terraricca
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    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 08 2013,05:53)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 08 2013,04:08)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 07 2013,16:06)

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    Edj

    They are both found in the old manuscripts so like I told you ,what difference does it make to the message ???


    One is the truth, the other is a lie.

    Do you consider lies to be equal with truth?


    Edj

    Their are truths that lead to live ,and their are lies that lead to dead ,

    But their are truths that are just truths ,and their are lies that do not lead to dead,

    You do not answer my question and then instead you make a proposal what would be of no help to me ,but make me a prisoner of a bible version  :D  :D What in my opinion his not perfect and contains other errors,


    Hi Pierre,

    You're a prisoner of your own mind.

    I answered the question in the quote.
    What question are you referring to?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    :D :D :D

    Hi Pierre,

    I don't read others 'notes'

    :D

    March 8, 2013 at 6:36 am#337674
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 08 2013,13:58)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 08 2013,05:53)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 08 2013,04:08)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 07 2013,16:06)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 07 2013,18:50)
    Edj

    They are both found in the old manuscripts so like I told you ,what difference does it make to the message ???


    One is the truth, the other is a lie.

    Do you consider lies to be equal with truth?


    Edj

    Their are truths that lead to live ,and their are lies that lead to dead ,

    But their are truths that are just truths ,and their are lies that do not lead to dead,

    You do not answer my question and then instead you make a proposal what would be of no help to me ,but make me a prisoner of a bible version  :D  :D What in my opinion his not perfect and contains other errors,


    Hi Pierre,

    You're a prisoner of your own mind.

    I answered the question in the quote.
    What question are you referring to?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    :D  :D  :D

    Hi Pierre,

    I don't read others 'notes'

    :D


    “Bible Notes” has NO authority, so why quote them?  
    It is as if that you guys think ~ that they somehow do?     ???

    March 9, 2013 at 12:42 am#337724
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 08 2013,11:36)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 08 2013,13:58)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 08 2013,05:53)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 08 2013,04:08)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 07 2013,16:06)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 07 2013,18:50)
    Edj

    They are both found in the old manuscripts so like I told you ,what difference does it make to the message ???


    One is the truth, the other is a lie.

    Do you consider lies to be equal with truth?


    Edj

    Their are truths that lead to live ,and their are lies that lead to dead ,

    But their are truths that are just truths ,and their are lies that do not lead to dead,

    You do not answer my question and then instead you make a proposal what would be of no help to me ,but make me a prisoner of a bible version  :D  :D What in my opinion his not perfect and contains other errors,


    Hi Pierre,

    You're a prisoner of your own mind.

    I answered the question in the quote.
    What question are you referring to?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    :D  :D  :D

    Hi Pierre,

    I don't read others 'notes'

    :D


    “Bible Notes” has NO authority, so why quote them?  
    It is as if that you guys think ~ that they somehow do?     ???


    edj

    the entire bible as been only notes from others ,wen are you going to get it in your head ???

    it does not matter the version ,but some are in an obvious way not true to some of the old notes(manuscripts) we have on hand

    all the authority in scriptures relies on the scriptures themselves, GOD HOLD THE POWER OF HIS HOLY SPIRIT AND ONLY GIVE IT TO THOSE WHO ARE TRULY HIS

    you really do not think that God would leave to men the power of his holy spirit ???

    March 9, 2013 at 7:54 am#337764
    Ed J
    Participant

    Commentaries Pierre

    March 9, 2013 at 7:58 am#337766
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 09 2013,12:54)
    Commentaries Pierre


    Edj

    .??? :(

    March 9, 2013 at 9:05 am#337776
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 09 2013,17:58)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 09 2013,12:54)
    Commentaries Pierre


    Edj

    .???   :(


    Qoute #1.  “I don't read others 'notes'”

    Qoute #2. “”Bible Notes” has NO authority, so why quote them?  
                        It is as if that you guys think ~ that they somehow do?”

    Bible commentaries Pierre

    March 9, 2013 at 12:42 pm#337792
    2besee
    Participant

    This is not to do with “The Shepherd” really but nevertheless: is to do with canon.

    From Wikipedia:

    Marcion of Sinope

    Marcion of Sinope, a bishop of Asia Minor who went to Rome and was later excommunicated for his views, was the first of record to propose a definitive, exclusive, unique canon of Christian scriptures, compiled sometime between 130-140 CE. (Though Ignatius did address Christian scripture, before Marcion, against the perceived heresies of the Judaizers and Docetists, he did not publish a canon.) In his book Origin of the New Testament Adolf von Harnack argued that Marcion viewed the church at this time as largely an Old Testament church (one that “follows the Testament of the Creator-God”) without a firmly established New Testament canon, and that the church gradually formulated its New Testament canon in response to the challenge posed by Marcion.

    Marcion rejected the theology of the Old Testament entirely and regarded the God depicted there as an inferior Being. He claimed that the theology of the Old Testament was incompatible with the teaching of Jesus regarding God and morality. Marcion believed that Jesus had come to liberate mankind from the authority of the God of the Old Testament and to reveal the superior God of goodness and mercy whom he called the Father. Paul and Luke were the only Christian authors to find favour with Marcion, though his versions of these differed from those later accepted by mainstream Christianity.

    Marcion created a canon, a definite group of books which he regarded as fully authoritative, displacing all others. These comprised ten of the Pauline epistles (without the Pastorals and Hebrews) and Luke's Gospel. It is uncertain whether he edited these books, purging them of what did not accord with his views, or that his versions represented a separate textual tradition.

    Marcion's gospel, called simply the Gospel of the Lord, differed from the Gospel of Luke by lacking any passages that connected Jesus with the Old Testament. He believed that the god of Israel, who gave the Torah to the Israelites, was an entirely different god from the Supreme God who sent Jesus and inspired the New Testament.

    Marcion termed his collection of Pauline epistles the Apostolikon. These also differed from the versions accepted by later Christian Orthodoxy.

    In addition to his Gospel and Apostolikon, he wrote a text called the Antithesis which contrasted the New Testament view of God and morality with the Old Testament view of God and morality, see also Expounding of the Law#Antithesis of the Law.

    Marcion's canon and theology were rejected as heretical by the early church; however, he forced other Christians to consider which texts were canonical and why. He spread his beliefs widely; they became known as Marcionism. In the introduction to his book “Early Christian Writings”, Henry Wace stated:

        A modern divine… could not refuse to discuss the question raised by Marcion, whether there is such opposition between different parts of what he regards as the word of God, that all cannot come from the same author.

    The Catholic Encyclopedia of 1913 characterized Marcion as “perhaps the most dangerous foe Christianity has ever known.”

    Everett Ferguson in chapter 18 of The Canon Debate quotes Tertullian's De praescriptione haereticorum:

        Since Marcion separated the New Testament from the Old, he is necessarily subsequent to that which he separated, inasmuch as it was only in his power to separate what was previously united. Having been united previous to its separation, the fact of its subsequent separation proves the subsequence also of the man who effected the separation.

    Note 61 of page 308 adds:

        [Wolfram] Kinzig suggests that it was Marcion who usually called his Bible testamentum [Latin for testament].

    Other scholars propose that it was Melito of Sardis who originally coined the phrase Old Testament, which is associated with Supersessionism.

    Robert M. Price, a New Testament scholar at Drew University, considers the Pauline canon problem: how, when, and who collected Paul's epistles to the various churches as a single collection of epistles. The evidence that the early church fathers, such as Clement, knew of the Pauline epistles is unclear. Price investigates several historical scenarios and comes to the conclusion and identifies Marcion as the first person known in recorded history to collect Paul's writings to various churches together as a canon, the Pauline epistles. Robert Price summarizes,

       But the first collector of the Pauline Epistles had been Marcion. No one else we know of would be a good candidate, certainly not the essentially fictive Luke, Timothy, and Onesimus. And Marcion, as Burkitt and Bauer show, fills the bill perfectly.

    If this is correct, then Marcion's role in the formation and development of Christianity is pivotal.

    March 9, 2013 at 1:00 pm#337793
    2besee
    Participant

    Further from Wikipedia: Notice in bold the earliest canon listed by Irenaeus –

    A four gospel canon (the Tetramorph) was asserted by Irenaeus, c. 160, who referred to it directly. An insistence upon there being a canon of four gospels, and no others, was a central theme of Irenaeus of Lyons, c. 185. In his central work, Adversus Haereses Irenaeus denounced various early Christian groups that used only one gospel, such as Marcionism which used only Marcion's version of Luke, or the Ebionites which seem to have used an Aramaic version of Matthew, as well as groups that used more than four gospels, such as the Valentinians (A.H. 1.11). Irenaeus declared that the four he espoused were the four “Pillars of the Church”: “it is not possible that there can be either more or fewer than four” he stated, presenting as logic the analogy of the four corners of the earth and the four winds (3.11.8). His image, taken from Ezekiel 1, or Revelation 4:6-10, of God's throne borne by four creatures with four faces—”the four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and the four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle”—equivalent to the “four-formed” gospel, is the origin of the conventional symbols of the Evangelists: bull (Mark), man (Luke), eagle (John), lion (Matthew). Irenaeus was ultimately successful in declaring that the four gospels collectively, and exclusively these four, contained the truth. By reading each gospel in light of the others, Irenaeus made of John a lens through which to read Matthew, Mark and Luke.

    Based on the arguments Irenaeus made in support of only four authentic gospels, some interpreters deduce that the fourfold Gospel must have still been a novelty in Irenaeus's time. Against Heresies 3.11.7 acknowledges that many heterodox Christians use only one gospel while 3.11.9 acknowledges that some use more than four. The success of Tatian's Diatessaron in about the same time period is “…a powerful indication that the fourfold Gospel contemporaneously sponsored by Irenaeus was not broadly, let alone universally, recognized.”

    McDonald & Sanders, Appendix D-1, lists the following canon for Irenaeus, based on Eusebius' Church History 5.8.2-8, but notes that: “..it is probably nothing more than Eusebius's listing of the references made by Irenaeus.”:

        Matt, Mark, Luke, John, Rev 1 John, 1 Peter, Hermas, Wisdom, Paul (mentioned but epistles not listed)

    March 9, 2013 at 2:24 pm#337797
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 09 2013,14:05)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 09 2013,17:58)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 09 2013,12:54)
    Commentaries Pierre


    Edj

    .???   :(


    Qoute #1.  “I don't read others 'notes'”

    Qoute #2. “”Bible Notes” has NO authority, so why quote them?  
                        It is as if that you guys think ~ that they somehow do?”

    Bible commentaries Pierre


    edj

    your words are like saying WHATEVER I SAY IS THE TRUTH FOR ME ,AND SO I TAKE AND MAKE OUT OF SCRIPTURES WHAT I SEE AS TRUE TO ME,BECAUSE ALL OTHER ARE TO ME COMMENTARIES, SO SINS I HAVE MY OWN, WHY WOULD I LISTEN TO ANY OTHER ,

    IS THIS A REFLECTION OF WHAT YOU MEAN EDJ ???

    March 9, 2013 at 3:06 pm#337798
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 10 2013,00:24)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 09 2013,14:05)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 09 2013,17:58)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 09 2013,12:54)
    Commentaries Pierre


    Edj

    .???   :(


    Qoute #1.  “I don't read others 'notes'”

    Qoute #2. “”Bible Notes” has NO authority, so why quote them?  
                        It is as if that you guys think ~ that they somehow do?”

    Bible commentaries Pierre


    edj

    your words are like saying WHATEVER I SAY IS THE TRUTH FOR ME ,AND SO I TAKE AND MAKE OUT OF SCRIPTURES WHAT I SEE AS TRUE TO ME,BECAUSE ALL OTHER ARE TO ME COMMENTARIES, SO SINS I HAVE MY OWN, WHY WOULD I LISTEN TO ANY OTHER ,

    IS THIS A REFLECTION OF WHAT YOU MEAN EDJ ???


    Hi Pierre,

    No that is not what I mean.
    What I mean is: it is only one way communication.
    Why, do you think that I should put “his” opinion over yours?     …if so, why?  

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    March 9, 2013 at 10:07 pm#337831
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 09 2013,20:06)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 10 2013,00:24)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 09 2013,14:05)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 09 2013,17:58)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 09 2013,12:54)
    Commentaries Pierre


    Edj

    .???   :(


    Qoute #1.  “I don't read others 'notes'”

    Qoute #2. “”Bible Notes” has NO authority, so why quote them?  
                        It is as if that you guys think ~ that they somehow do?”

    Bible commentaries Pierre


    edj

    your words are like saying WHATEVER I SAY IS THE TRUTH FOR ME ,AND SO I TAKE AND MAKE OUT OF SCRIPTURES WHAT I SEE AS TRUE TO ME,BECAUSE ALL OTHER ARE TO ME COMMENTARIES, SO SINS I HAVE MY OWN, WHY WOULD I LISTEN TO ANY OTHER ,

    IS THIS A REFLECTION OF WHAT YOU MEAN EDJ ???


    Hi Pierre,

    No that is not what I mean.
    What I mean is: it is only one way communication.
    Why, do you think that I should put “his” opinion over yours?     …if so, why?  

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    edj

    Quote
    Why, do you think that I should put “his” opinion over yours? …if so, why?

    :D :D :D this is the most ridicule answer i ever received,

    DO YOU THINK THAT I CAN NOT SAY THE SAME THING ABOUT THAT AND YOU ???

    YOU TOOK YOUR NUMBERS FROM OTHERS ,YOU QUOTING OTHERS AND TRY TO MAKE THEM LEAN TOWARDS YOUR OWN SLANTED WAY, :D

    WAKE UP MAN ,I AM NOT SLEEPING YET

    March 9, 2013 at 10:41 pm#337845
    2besee
    Participant

    Yes so, interesting how the Shepherd of Hermas was considered as Canon, and the Shepherd called the Son of God the Holy Spirit.

    Also, interesting about Paul.

    March 10, 2013 at 4:06 am#337889
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (2besee @ Mar. 10 2013,04:41)
    Yes so, interesting how the Shepherd of Hermas was considered as Canon, and the Shepherd called the Son of God the Holy Spirit.

    Also, interesting about Paul.


    the son of God his NOT the holy spirit ,but he his also the WORD of God ,

    and God as made him the supremacy of all things ;ALL things EXCEPT GOD HIMSELF

    March 10, 2013 at 3:43 pm#337937
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 10 2013,09:07)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 09 2013,20:06)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 10 2013,00:24)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 09 2013,14:05)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 09 2013,17:58)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 09 2013,12:54)
    Commentaries Pierre


    Edj

    .???   :(


    Qoute #1.  “I don't read others 'notes'”

    Qoute #2. “”Bible Notes” has NO authority, so why quote them?  
                        It is as if that you guys think ~ that they somehow do?”

    Bible commentaries Pierre


    edj

    your words are like saying WHATEVER I SAY IS THE TRUTH FOR ME ,AND SO I TAKE AND MAKE OUT OF SCRIPTURES WHAT I SEE AS TRUE TO ME,BECAUSE ALL OTHER ARE TO ME COMMENTARIES, SO SINS I HAVE MY OWN, WHY WOULD I LISTEN TO ANY OTHER ,

    IS THIS A REFLECTION OF WHAT YOU MEAN EDJ ???


    Hi Pierre,

    No that is not what I mean.
    What I mean is: it is only one way communication.
    Why, do you think that I should put “his” opinion over yours?     …if so, why?  

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    edj

    Quote
    Why, do you think that I should put “his” opinion over yours?     …if so, why?  

    :D  :D  :D this is the most ridicule answer i ever received,

    DO YOU THINK THAT I CAN NOT SAY THE SAME THING ABOUT THAT AND YOU ???

    YOU TOOK YOUR NUMBERS FROM OTHERS ,YOU QUOTING OTHERS AND TRY TO MAKE THEM LEAN TOWARDS YOUR OWN SLANTED WAY,  :D

    WAKE UP MAN ,I AM NOT SLEEPING YET


    Hi Pierre,

    If you put “bible notes” above what I say, then that is what you have done.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    March 10, 2013 at 3:47 pm#337938
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (2besee @ Mar. 10 2013,09:41)
    Yes so, interesting how the Shepherd of Hermas was considered as Canon, and the Shepherd called the Son of God the Holy Spirit.

    Also, interesting about Paul.


    Hi 2Besee,

    The HolySpirit is Jesus birth father,
    the HolySpirit is never said to be Jesus
    by Paul? Do you have any Scripture on this?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    March 10, 2013 at 6:11 pm#337954
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 10 2013,21:43)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 10 2013,09:07)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 09 2013,20:06)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 10 2013,00:24)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 09 2013,14:05)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 09 2013,17:58)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 09 2013,12:54)
    Commentaries Pierre


    Edj

    .???   :(


    Qoute #1.  “I don't read others 'notes'”

    Qoute #2. “”Bible Notes” has NO authority, so why quote them?  
                        It is as if that you guys think ~ that they somehow do?”

    Bible commentaries Pierre


    edj

    your words are like saying WHATEVER I SAY IS THE TRUTH FOR ME ,AND SO I TAKE AND MAKE OUT OF SCRIPTURES WHAT I SEE AS TRUE TO ME,BECAUSE ALL OTHER ARE TO ME COMMENTARIES, SO SINS I HAVE MY OWN, WHY WOULD I LISTEN TO ANY OTHER ,

    IS THIS A REFLECTION OF WHAT YOU MEAN EDJ ???


    Hi Pierre,

    No that is not what I mean.
    What I mean is: it is only one way communication.
    Why, do you think that I should put “his” opinion over yours?     …if so, why?  

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    edj

    Quote
    Why, do you think that I should put “his” opinion over yours?     …if so, why?  

    :D  :D  :D this is the most ridicule answer i ever received,

    DO YOU THINK THAT I CAN NOT SAY THE SAME THING ABOUT THAT AND YOU ???

    YOU TOOK YOUR NUMBERS FROM OTHERS ,YOU QUOTING OTHERS AND TRY TO MAKE THEM LEAN TOWARDS YOUR OWN SLANTED WAY,  :D

    WAKE UP MAN ,I AM NOT SLEEPING YET


    Hi Pierre,

    If you put “bible notes” above what I say, then that is what you have done.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    edj

    NO,bible notes are there for our own understanding of a language we do not know ,and so always have to check it with the entire scriptures,

    and try never to be lost in “words” so that we deviate from the true message of God

    March 10, 2013 at 8:08 pm#337972
    abe
    Participant

    Quote (2besee @ Mar. 09 2013,13:41)
    Yes so, interesting how the Shepherd of Hermas was considered as Canon, and the Shepherd called the Son of God the Holy Spirit.

    Also, interesting about Paul.


    Hi 2b,

    Why do you also call the Holy Spirit God??

    Peace brother..

    March 10, 2013 at 8:17 pm#337974
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 11 2013,05:11)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 10 2013,21:43)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 10 2013,09:07)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 09 2013,20:06)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 10 2013,00:24)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 09 2013,14:05)

    Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 09 2013,17:58)

    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 09 2013,12:54)
    Commentaries Pierre


    Edj

    .??? :(


    Qoute #1. “I don't read others 'notes'”

    Qoute #2. “”Bible Notes” has NO authority, so why quote them?
    It is as if that you guys think ~ that they somehow do?”

    Bible commentaries Pierre


    edj

    your words are like saying WHATEVER I SAY IS THE TRUTH FOR ME ,AND SO I TAKE AND MAKE OUT OF SCRIPTURES WHAT I SEE AS TRUE TO ME,BECAUSE ALL OTHER ARE TO ME COMMENTARIES, SO SINS I HAVE MY OWN, WHY WOULD I LISTEN TO ANY OTHER ,

    IS THIS A REFLECTION OF WHAT YOU MEAN EDJ ???


    Hi Pierre,

    No that is not what I mean.
    What I mean is: it is only one way communication.
    Why, do you think that I should put “his” opinion over yours? …if so, why?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    edj

    Quote
    Why, do you think that I should put “his” opinion over yours? …if so, why?

    :D :D :D this is the most ridicule answer i ever received,

    DO YOU THINK THAT I CAN NOT SAY THE SAME THING ABOUT THAT AND YOU ???

    YOU TOOK YOUR NUMBERS FROM OTHERS ,YOU QUOTING OTHERS AND TRY TO MAKE THEM LEAN TOWARDS YOUR OWN SLANTED WAY, :D

    WAKE UP MAN ,I AM NOT SLEEPING YET


    Hi Pierre,

    If you put “bible notes” above what I say, then that is what you have done.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    edj

    NO,bible notes are there for our own understanding of a language we do not know ,and so always have to check it with the entire scriptures,

    and try never to be lost in “words” so that we deviate from the true message of God


    So you care not to address the point I make then, huh?

    March 10, 2013 at 9:55 pm#337994
    2besee
    Participant

    Quote (abe @ Mar. 11 2013,09:08)

    Quote (2besee @ Mar. 09 2013,13:41)
    Yes so, interesting how the Shepherd of Hermas was considered as Canon, and the Shepherd called the Son of God the Holy Spirit.

    Also, interesting about Paul.


    Hi 2b,

    Why do you also call the Holy Spirit  God??

    Peace brother..

    Hi Abe, (And T),

    Deuteronony 4
    [35] To you it was shown, that you might know that the LORD is God; there is no other besides him.

    [39] Know therefore this day, and lay it to your heart, that the LORD is God in heaven above and on the earth beneath; there is no other.

    Deuteronomy 32
    [39] “`See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god beside me.

    2 Samuel 7
    [22] Therefore thou art great, O LORD God; for there is none like thee, and there is no God besides thee.

    2 Samuel 22
    [32] “For who is God, but the LORD? And who is a rock, except our God?

    1 Kings 8
    [60] That all the peoples of the earth may know that the LORD is God; there is no other.

    2 Kings 19
    [15]”O LORD the God of Israel, who art enthroned above the cherubim, thou art the God, thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; thou hast made heaven and earth.

    Nehemiah 9
    [6] And Ezra said: “Thou art the LORD, thou alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that is in them; and thou preservest all of them; and the host of heaven worships thee.

    Psalm 18
    [31] For who is God, but the LORD? And who is a rock, except our God?

    Isaiah 37
    [20] So now, O LORD our God, save us from his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou alone art the LORD.”

    Isaiah 43
    [10] “You are my witnesses,” says the LORD,
    “and my servant whom I have chosen,
    that you may know and believe me
    and understand that I am He.
    Before me no god was formed,
    nor shall there be any after me.
    [11] I, I am the LORD,
    and besides me there is no savior.

    Isaiah 44
    [6] Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel
    and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts:
    “I am the first and I am the last;
    besides me there is no god.
    [7] Who is like me? Let him proclaim it,
    let him declare and set it forth before me.
    Who has announced from of old the things to come?
    Let them tell us what is yet to be.
    [8] Fear not, nor be afraid;
    have I not told you from of old and declared it?
    And you are my witnesses!
    Is there a God besides me?
    There is no Rock; I know not any.”

    Isaiah 45
    [5] I am the LORD, and there is no other,
    besides me there is no God;
    I gird you, though you do not know me,
    [6] that men may know, from the rising of the sun
    and from the west, that there is none besides me;
    I am the LORD, and there is no other.
    [7] I form light and create darkness,
    I make weal and create woe,
    I am the LORD, who do all these things.

    [11] Thus says the LORD,
    the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker:
    “Will you question me about my children,
    or command me concerning the work of my hands?
    [12] I made the earth,
    and created man upon it;
    it was my hands that stretched out the heavens,
    and I commanded all their host.

    [14]`God is with you only, and there is no other,
    no god besides him.'”

    [18] For thus says the LORD,
    who created the heavens
    (he is God!),
    who formed the earth and made it
    (he established it;
    he did not create it a chaos,
    he formed it to be inhabited!):
    “I am the LORD, and there is no other.

    [21] Declare and present your case;
    let them take counsel together!
    Who told this long ago?
    Who declared it of old?
    Was it not I, the LORD?
    And there is no other god besides me,
    a righteous God and a Savior;
    there is none besides me.
    [22] “Turn to me and be saved,
    all the ends of the earth!
    For I am God, and there is no other.

    Genesis 1
    [1] In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
    [2] The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters.
    [3] And God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.

    1Cor 12
    'Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit;
    and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord;
    and there are varieties of working, but it is the same God who inspires them all in every one.

    To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good.
    To one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit,
    to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit,
    to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.

    All these are inspired by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills.
    For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ.
    For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body — Jews or Greeks, slaves or free — and all were made to drink of one Spirit.'

    1Cor 2:10-16,
    “God has revealed to us THROUGH THE SPIRIT. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God.
    For what person knows a man's thoughts except the spirit of the man which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.'

    2Cor 3
    [12] Since we have such a hope, we are very bold,
    [13] not like Moses, who put a veil over his face so that the Israelites might not see the end of the fading splendor.
    [14] But their minds were hardened; for to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away.
    [15] Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their minds;
    [16] but when a man turns to the Lord the veil is removed.
    [17] Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
    [18] And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being changed into his likeness from one degree of glory to another; for this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.

    It is the one and the same spirit of the one and the same God, I believe.

    March 10, 2013 at 11:09 pm#338003
    2besee
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    Hi Abe,

    Could you explain to me, your opinion on the heavenly Jerusalem?
    Thank you Abe.

    I was trying to find where you made a certain post, but I cannot find it, so will post here.

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