The Flat Earth Experience

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July 26, 2022 at 1:43 am#932664
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PRIMITIVE TEACHINGS IN BIBLE
(i) The sky has windows:
The sky is nothing but a vacuum. It does not have windows. But Holy Bible states that the windows of sky were opened
Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the Mountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
(ii) The earth has foundations, pillars and four corners!
According to Biblical Geography, the earth has foundations, pillars and four corners ! Please read the following three verses :
The Earth has foundations :
Ps 104:5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
The Earth has pillars :1
1 Sam 2:8 for the pillars of the earth are the Lord’s, and he bath set the world upon them.
The Earth has four corners :
Rev 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
(iii) The sun, not the earth, moves !
Joshua commanded the sun to standstill and not the earth. This is Biblical writer’s understanding ! The following passage indicates that Joshua stops the sun and the moon :
Josh 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
Martin Luther “The fool (Copernicus) wishes to reverse the entire science of astronomy. But sacred Scripture tells us that Joshua commanded the sun to stand still, and not the earth.”

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July 26, 2022 at 3:46 am#932666
gadam123
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Stationary Earth as the Center of the Universe
An erroneous Bible teaching caused Christian theologians to oppose Galileo’s proof that the earth rotates on its axis and revolves around the sun. In the sixteenth century, Copernicus proposed this theory about the double motion of the earth. In the following century, Galileo’s telescope proved that Copernicus had been right.
To oppose the Copernican doctrine and show that the earth remains stationary while the sun moves around it, the Catholic Church pointed to the tenth chapter of the book of Joshua. There we are told that Joshua, in order to have a longer period of daylight in which to carry out the Lord’s command to slaughter the Amorites, ordered the sun to stand still – not the earth.
Other passages demonstrating that the earth remains stationary include Psalm 93:1 (“The world is [e]stablished, that it cannot be moved.”); I Chronicles 16:30 (“[T]he world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.”); and Psalm 104:5 (The Lord “laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed forever.”).
Because of Galileo’s support for the Copernican doctrine, the Inquisition threatened him with torture, forced him to recant, and subjected him to imprisonment. Additionally, for nearly 200 years the Catholic Church’s Index of Forbidden Books condemned all writings that affirmed the double motion of the earth.
Protestants weren’t much better. For generations the major branches of Protestantism – Lutheran, Calvinist, and Anglican – denounced the Copernican doctrine as contrary to scripture.
A Flat Earth Resting on Pillars
The Bible supports the primitive notion of a flat earth. In the sixth century, a Christian monk named Cosmas wrote a book, titled Topographia Christiana, describing the structure of the physical world. Basing his views on the Bible, Cosmas said the earth is flat and surrounded by four seas.
The prophecy at Revelation 1:7 was a basis for his conclusion. It states that when Christ returns, “every eye shall see him.” Cosmas reasoned that if the earth were round, people on the other side would not see Christ’s second coming.
Further support for the idea of a flat earth is contained in the verses mentioning the “four corners of the earth” (e.g., Isaiah 11:12; Revelation 7:1) and the “ends of the earth” (e.g., Jeremiah 16:19; Acts 13:47).
Because of such Bible teachings, most of the early church fathers thought the earth is flat. In the view of the world contained in Cosmas’ book was accepted for several centuries as orthodox Christian doctrine. Even in the fifteenth century, when Christopher Columbus proposed to sail west from Spain to reach the East Indies, the biblical notion of a flat earth was a major source of opposition to him.
As for the question of what holds the flat earth in place, the Bible indicates the answer is “pillars.” The pillars of the earth are mentioned in several verses in the Old Testament (I Samuel 2:8; Psalm 75:3; Job 9:6). These verses reflect the belief of the ancient Hebrews that the earth rests upon pillars.
Sky a Solid Dome Containing Windows
The Bible promotes the idea that the sky is a solid dome covering the earth. In the creation account given in the first chapter of Genesis, verse 17 says the Lord set the sun and moon “in the firmament” to provide light for the earth. The Hebrew word translated as firmament is raqia, which means “hammered metal.”
More support for the notion of a domed earth is found at Job 37:18 (where the sky is described as like a “molten looking glass”); Isaiah 40:22 (God “stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in”); and Revelation 6:14 (“And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together.”).
This concept of the sky was common in the ancient Near East and taken for granted by the Bible writers. Based on the Bible, most of the early church fathers accepted the notion of the firmament. The same position was supported by Cosmas, and thus was part of orthodox Christian doctrine for several centuries.
Orthodox doctrine also contained the related idea that the firmament has windows – which are opened by angels when God wants to send rain upon the earth. Cosmas believed that when the windows are opened, some of the waters contained above the firmament (which are mentioned at Genesis 1:17) fall to the earth. Cosmas’ basis for this belief was the statement, at Genesis 7:11-12, that at the time of the Noachian flood the “windows of heaven were opened” and the rain fell.
Supernatural Signs in the Heavens
Bible stories led the Christian world to believe – for centuries – that God sends humankind signs in the heavens.
Christians thought comets warn of divine anger and imminent punishment; stars and meteors portend beneficial events such as the birth of heroes and great men; eclipses signify divine distress in response to events on earth; and storms and other destructive weather result from the anger of God or the malice of Satan.
Additional Errors About the Physical World
The Bible has verses mentioning dragons (Jeremiah 51:34), unicorns (Isaiah 34:7), and cockatrices (Isaiah 11:8). These passages led many naturalists in the Middle Ages to think such mythical creatures actually exist.
The Bible is also incorrect in saying the bat is a bird (Leviticus 11:13,19), the hare and rock badger chew the cud (Leviticus 11:5-6), and the mustard seed “is the smallest of all seeds” (Matthew 13:32).
Finally, it’s inconsistent with science – and ludicrous – to believe that God confounded the language of humans because he was afraid they would build a tower high enough to reach heaven (Genesis 11:1-9).
July 26, 2022 at 8:25 am#932667
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gadam, similarly, gravity made people think that there was also a thing called levity which explained how things float.
I think it is awesome that God let man discover the universe. That is what the saved will be doing for eternity. Discovering God and all that he has made. Men’s initial thoughts on such things are probably going to be wrong initially.
And it took great men of God using science to discover many of these things.
Yet even today, we say the sun goes down and it does from our perspective. So it is not a lie, it’s really just perspective. Even time is different for each individual.
July 26, 2022 at 8:26 am#932668
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Mike argues that this video is fake
Because it is not possible on a flat earth. Lol.
July 26, 2022 at 8:28 am#932669
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gadam, really? The pillars argument.
Lol. Covered this one with mike.
The bible also says that some people are pillars.
And even today we still say that he is a pillar of society.
I guess Paul was correct. Carnal men just cannot understand such things.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
By extension then, I guess that is why some people here making such arguments are making a fool of themselves.

July 26, 2022 at 3:03 pm#932671
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How the Ancient Greeks knew the Earth was round
Carl Sagan reveals how the Ancient Greeks knew the Earth was round.
July 26, 2022 at 3:45 pm#932672
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Flown to South America from NZ numerous times myself
Flatties can’t explain it. Lol.
July 27, 2022 at 2:42 am#932676
GeneBalthrop
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Proclaimer……i can hardly believe, with all the proofs you have posted , there are still some who believe in a flat earth, with all the scientific evidence available today, it’s vertually impossible to not know the earth is a sphere that is rotating.
When God created the Light, the earth still had to be kick started in a spinning motion, to cause day and night on this earth to happen in the first place. Common sense 101.
Can’t believe Mike still believe in the flat earth therory. AMAZING !
Peace and love to you and yours Proclaimer………gene
July 27, 2022 at 11:00 am#932683
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I know right.
When the heart no longer seeks truth, then such a person is not being led by the Spirit of Truth.
July 27, 2022 at 11:01 am#932684
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Field of view matters
July 27, 2022 at 11:05 am#932685
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Wherever you put it, Foucault’s Pendulum swings from a motionless point while the earth rotates beneath it. Every point of the universe is a fixed point. All you have to do is hang the Pendulum from it. Foucault’s pendulum is an easy experiment demonstrating the Earth’s rotation.
July 27, 2022 at 11:08 am#932686
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Mike. Admit your wrong.
July 27, 2022 at 11:12 am#932687
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Why has no one taken a photo of the Sun from above, if the sun is local?
This is what a sunset looks like from above Altocumulus clouds at 30,000 ft near O’ahu, Hawai’i.
July 27, 2022 at 11:14 am#932688
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I debated a flat earther once. He stormed off saying he’d walk to the edge of the earth to prove me wrong. I’m sure he’ll come around, eventually.
July 27, 2022 at 11:16 am#932689
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Destroying Flat Earth Without Using Science – Part 4: The Conspiracy
July 28, 2022 at 8:39 pm#932697
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Mike believes the people in this video are liars
July 29, 2022 at 1:11 am#932699
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Mike.
Maybe there is something to this flat earth thing.
Here is a photo taken by FLATA (equivalent of NASA but studies the flat earth).
Was taken before PhotoShop was discovered.
July 29, 2022 at 9:54 am#932704
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July 29, 2022 at 9:55 am#932705
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Hey @gadam123
I asked you a question.
What is your no1 flat earth bible verse.
If you avoid me, it means you are defeated.
July 29, 2022 at 6:47 pm#932708
Proclaimer
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Pear shaped earth is misleading
Calling the earth “pear shaped” is a seriously misleading misnomer. It’s effectively a perfect sphere. Here I explain:
First off in regards to flatties notions about spin, you’re labor under a vast erroneous misconception. Earth rotates at 0.000694 RPM, one rotation in 24 hours- not factoring in sidereal time due to it’s orbit around the sun which has several striking effects on the celestial sphere, I’m keeping this very simple. This causes a centrifugal force exerted at the equator that is 0.3% that of gravity so you weight 0.3% less at the equator than at the poles. It’s an angular velocity equivalent of taking 6 hours and 6,200 miles to complete a single 90° left turn due east in a car , by analogy.
Now, here’s where a solid comparison will show you how insignificant it is.
Fun fact: Saturn and Jupiter spin much faster than earth, with Jupiter having the shortest day in the Solar System, completing a full rotation (as it’s 4 massive highly visible Galilean moons orbit) in no more than 9 hours and 56 minutes which can be observed with binoculars alone. Consequently, it’s equatorial bulge is quite prominent, at around 6.9% thicker around it’s equator. Saturn is even more pronounced with an equatorial bulge a whopping 10.2% wider at the equator than between the poles. And yet even these gargantuan gas giant still appear as a near perfect sphere.
Earth’s is a mere 0.3% and consequently, our *Ahem* “Pear Shaped” earth is essentially a perfect sphere for all intents and purposes, especially to the naked eye.
Our equatorial bulge is minuscule, boasting a meagre 42 kilometer (26 mile) difference around it’s equator than it’s meridional circumference; as measured from pole to pole.
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