A message from a physicist and a message from a flat earther

Physicist

I am a physicist and it comes naturally to me that all planets are spheres mainly because of gravity.

The gravity of a planet is directly proportional to the planet’s mass and inversely proportional to the planet’s radius.

Gravity can be calculated 6.67*10^-11(planet mass/planet radius^2).

This also means that, according to Newton, the earth’s rotation does not have a particularly large effect on gravity.

The sun has the greatest gravitational force in our solar system, approx. 247N/kg or 247 m/s^2, which means that if you fall one meter on the sun, you will hit the “ground” with a speed of 247 m/s. Similarly, 1 kg on the Sun will be 247N, while on Earth 1 kg will only be 9.81N.

We have formulas to calculate the curvature of the earth, and these are very accurate.

Why do some people think the earth is flat? When all scientific findings indicate that all planets are spheres?
All scientific sources on the shape of the plates are available to anyone. Flat earth documentation is not available, logically enough because it doesn’t exist. As a physicist, I must be able to explain observations and natural phenomena through mathematics and scientific models. This is exactly what makes physics so exciting!

A model must be able to explain all phenomena and observations, you can do that on a sphere. On a flat earth it is not possible, so above all one does not use false values.

The globe rotates 360 degrees/24 hours. Our solar system is moving at 600,000m/s towards the center of the Milky Way where there is a gigantic hole with an enormous gravitational force. Since the acceleration is constant, we do not  notice any of this, so Newton’s second law is fulfilled.

If, on the other hand, the earth’s rotation increased or decreased, we would notice it because Newton’s second law will no longer be fulfilled.

I love my subject and am happy to answer questions, but do not respond to sarcasm.

– Physicist

Flat Earther

The earth is flat because I rolled a marble on a table and it disappeared bottom up. Although when I moved my head up a little to be level with the table, it didn’t do that for some reason.

I brought a small boat back into view that was too small to see, although I can’t bring the sun back for some reason.

The bible teaches the world is flat, although I cannot find one verse that teaches this.

The flat earth map is accurate and explains observation, although it doubles and triples distances in the southern hemisphere for some reason. But the southern hemisphere kind of doesn’t matter.

The globe earth conspiracy means millions are in on the secret, yet not one person has leaked the truth despite the anonymity of Wikileaks etc for some strange reason,

The flat earth is hidden from the populace because it proves that God exists. Although the scientific view proves an eternal God because the cosmos is so finely tuned for our existence, that the odds of it being random are greater than 1 in a number bigger than all the atoms of the universe. Further it does demonstrate the eternal nature of God, but it is just too big to give God the glory if you have a simple mind. The pizza model and dome on top which BTW to keeps the pizza warm and contained makes it easier to see that there is a God, although not a very impressive one.

– Flat Earther

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  • #826434
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Gene:  Mike….Tell us who said this, “destory this “temple” and in three days (I) shall raise “it” up. 

    Jesus said those words, Gene.

    #826435
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    T8:  There is no up in the universe. IF there was and actual up based on up and down, then in space you wouldn’t float and then ask yourself why the earth disk doesn’t fall down by default and why would everything fall down anyway.

    Interesting, because there is a clear and definitive “up” and “down” in the scriptures.  Another case of men knowing more than God, I guess.

    T8:  But I guess you will say nothing falls, it is the disk that propels upward. But why would upward motion lead to you sticking to the disk.

    There is no serious flat earther who believes that tripe from the controlled opposition organization known as “The Flat Earth Society”.  It is there to mislead people just beginning to look into the topic.  They mix completely absurd claims (like the earth rising at a rate that equals gravity) with a few rational tidbits.  But the intent is that people thinking about checking out flat earth walk away thinking, “These guys are nuts!”  So the site serves the purpose it was designed to serve.

    The earth isn’t rising.  God built it on foundational pillars, and it is fixed and stationary.  What’s under the pillars?  Probably more of the “deep” that God formed the heavens and earth out of.  How do the pillars rest on the “deep”?  Scripture says God hangs the earth on nothing.  I don’t know the answers to these deep things of God… only what He has shared with us through His written word.

    #826436
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Our moving atmosphere

    Again, use discernment. What on earth would make you believe such blatant nonsense? Does a speeding car cut through the air… or take all the air molecules along with it due to friction?

    Air is also matter, and it is pulled towards earth’s centre and rotates with the earth. A balloon is also attracted towards the centre of Earth but it overcomes that by being lighter than the air around it. It moves with the Earth’s atmosphere while still being subject to other forces like wind etc. Does the balloon just zip away at 1500 km/h? If not, then it too demonstrates that the atmosphere is moving with the Earth. But yes, I can see that a Flat Earth model also works when describing such things as would an inverse earth where people live on the inside of a rotating globe.

    #826437
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    There is no serious flat earther who believes that tripe from the controlled opposition organization known as “The Flat Earth Society”. It is there to mislead people just beginning to look into the topic. They mix completely absurd claims (like the earth rising at a rate that equals gravity) with a few rational tidbits. But the intent is that people thinking about checking out flat earth walk away thinking, “These guys are nuts!” So the site serves the purpose it was designed to serve.

    Okay, good to know that there are different viewpoints within the Flat Earth community just as you get with any community.

    #826438
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Up and down

    Interesting, because there is a clear and definitive “up” and “down” in the scriptures. Another case of men knowing more than God, I guess.

    There is up and down regards to being closer to God and further away and God’s ways are higher than ours. Heaven is generally considered up and Hell below. Not a physical up and down in the whole Universe. Up and down implies gravity which is what you are arguing against right?

    #826439
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Ancient map showing Antarctica

    Does this ancient map from the 1530s show Antarctica? While this should not have been known, it was drawn by Ottoman admiral and cartographer Piri Reis who claimed that his map was based from an earlier map of Christopher Columbus as a source, as well as ten Arab sources, and four Indian maps sourced from the Portuguese. An interesting mystery or perhaps a lucky guess? That said, it doesn’t appear to depict a flat earth and obviously the older source maps do not either.

    #826443
    david
    Participant

     

    Im very new to this.  What of ships seemingly going over the horizon?

    #826444
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Mike,

    Men know more than God?

    You flatter yourself if you think you speak for God.

    #826445
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Mike,

    Did you only hear the man Jesus speak in Jn 2.19?

    Did you not know the one God has sent speaks the words of God?

    #826446
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    Mike now looks at everything with a skeptical eye and decides what is rational.

    Quite a lonely place I would think.

    #826450
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    Nick: “Has not God rather chosen to reveal His nature through the wonders of creation?Rom 1.20 f Are you not limiting His revelation rather to what is written and frustrating His plan?”

     

    Are you suggesting that He hates it when we take Him at His Word? That would be a radical position to me.

     

     

    #826451
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    Nick. “Men know more than God? You flatter yourself if you think you speak for God.”

     

     

    Didn’t you just say that men by observing nature can know about the creation? If those observations are contrary to the written Word, which is what we have been pointing out – but you are arguing with us, then are not men neccessarily saying that they know more than God?

    However, if we support what is in the written Word how then are we being accused for “limiting” God?

    The answer of course, is that any revelation from nature can not contradict the written Word and be considered true.

    #826454
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Mike….So the 13 scriptures i quoted for Dig4truth, which by the way i have yet to see a commit on, you also then must believe JESUS RAISED HIMSELF FROM THE DEAD, SO those 13 scriptures must not be in your bible either, or are you simply trying to incourage your co-hart in this FE thing, right, well anyway that makes sense, why you can’t seem to see the truth in this FE thing EITHER.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……gene

    #826456
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Easy experiments that prove the Flat Earth is wrong

    #826457
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    This doesn’t make any sense to a Flat Earther

    Why 11 babies have been born in Antarctica.

    #826458
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Mike said:

    Scripture says God hangs the earth on nothing.  I don’t know the answers to these deep things of God… only what He has shared with us through His written word.

    Gravity is a non-tangible thing right?

    #826460
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Dig4,

    You misquote me.  The visible earth is used by God to reveal Himself.

    Would you make scripture argue against scripture?

    Is that wise?

    This is what Rom 1 says

    For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men , who hold the truth in unrighteousness; because that which may be known of God is manifest to them; for God shewed it unto them.

    For the invisible things of Him, from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and godhead; so that they are without excuse.

    Because that, When they knew God, they glorified Him not as God, Neither were they thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four footed beasts, and creeping things.

    So gaze at the universe and see reflected the glory of God. Do not bother to try to put Him in a box that you made from your own scriptural deductions.

    #826461
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    T8: “Gravity is a non-tangible thing right?”

     

     

    Gravity is part of your theory, please tell us if it is a tangible thing or not. I won’t hold you to this challange very strongly because I don’t believe that anyone has identified exactly “what” gravity is.

    #826462
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    T8: “The Flat Earth is the experience that God gave us of living on Earth. But knowledge increased as it is written that would happen and consequently, we see that the framework of creation comprises of spherical planets including Earth held in orbits around suns by gravity and all wonderfully made.”

     

    I have heard you use that “knowledge will increase” over and over. Have you searched out what that means? Did you look at the original language? If you did you would notice that the it is “The knowledge”. It is not a random knowledge as in “knowledge in general” but the increase of a specific knowledge increase.  Do you know what that is? Could it be the flat earth?

     

    #826463
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Careful not to criticise God’s own laws

    Gravity is a law, so that is nothing with respect for an actual thing like a rope or cable hanging the earth. Try to think of God as a lawmaker and his laws are his word. He spoke creation into being, I imagine that has something to do with laws of which he also has moral laws that too need to be respected. And if you rubbish the  Law of Gravity, are you really rubbishing the lawmaker indirectly? I know you would never do that intentionally as I believe you are a genuine believer and decent person, but just saying that ignorance is a legitimate excuse sometimes, but just tread carefully is all I am saying. We need to fear the creator or respect him. Remember that angels who are greater than us at the moment wouldn’t dare speak badly of God and I would imagine that would include not criticise that which he made with his own hand.

     

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