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  • November 23, 2016 at 7:41 pm#818059
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    To sum up this video, it is a story showing the defeat of arrogance.

    According to a person who was in the same line as the woman on the right of the panel (left in the preview image), she lied. It wasn’t two white guys, it was an Asian woman. Of course cannot verify this. Could be another lie for all we know.

    November 24, 2016 at 12:11 am#818064
    terraricca
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    but you haven’t proved that it is true ,and I showed scriptures reasoning but yes we all have to stand with what we understand from scriptures or on our own ,

    so I close this for me

    November 24, 2016 at 8:57 pm#818069
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    I cannot prove it 100% true even to myself because God has not personally revealed it to me. I can only go by the fact that there is 1 prophecy given in 2011 that was extremely unlikely to come to pass. And then to see even right up to election day, no one giving Trump a chance of winning. And before that, Trump getting smeared and hammered by the media and spoken of badly in public by many, yet gaining in popularity. Then he not only wins the electoral vote, but overwhelmingly so. It would be akin to me saying that Leonardo DiCaprio will be president one day and saying God showed me. Seriously that would be like a 1 in a million shot. But hey, even that happens sometimes.

    I wouldn’t be so arrogant to say that even given the odds of Trump becoming president of the USA, that the prophecy must be 100% of God based on that. But saying 100% that it isn’t of God is much worse because there is a prophecy that against all odds came to pass. I wouldn’t risk insulting God and calling something he said as being of the Devil and a lie. No, I wouldn’t take that chance because God must be respected and even angels would fear to tread that path.

    Such punishment is specially reserved for those who indulge the corrupt desires of the flesh and despise authority. Bold and self-willed, these men are unafraid to slander angelic majesties. Yet not even angels, though greater in strength and power, dare to bring such slanderous charges against them before the Lord.…

    Knowing this, compare insulting angelic majesties to insulting God and saying what he said is a lie. You know that we all need a measure of the fear of God.

    November 24, 2016 at 9:54 pm#818070
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    They were all certain he would not be president.

    November 25, 2016 at 2:09 am#818074
    terraricca
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    I am not arrogant for telling the truth ,I told you why this prophecy is not of God ,but you seem to pay more attention to men than to God’s word ,

    was Jesus arrogant to the pharisees by telling them that they were hypocrites ? (and much more) they thought so .

    I do not practice wishful thinking ,

    God’s word answer all questions

    November 25, 2016 at 2:23 am#818075
    terraricca
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    Knowing this, compare insulting angelic majesties to insulting God and saying what he said is a lie. You know that we all need a measure of the fear of God.

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    I do fear God with all my soul ,just the thought of not be able to tell the truth chills me ,for if I lie I would have supported the devil ,
    but if I fear to say the truth of the word of God then what ? do i not then fear men more than I fear God ? I think so ,
    does any men as the power to shut the light of God ?
    that scripture you quote to me is totally inappropriate for I do not follow the flesh but the spirit of God’s word ,you seem to quickly forget the word of God in favor of a man claim ,that comes with another “gospel”
    if any man claims to come from God ;let him prove it ;and also answer all the questions like ;why,where,when,what,who,how, “TEST ALL SPIRITS” says scriptures,
    a lottery as all the odds to lose yet one wins the jackpot the winner always says it is God will but is it ?
    November 25, 2016 at 6:25 am#818079
    942767
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    Hi T8:

    You say:

    Chosen means that God called him to run for this position to give God’s people in America the choice of a leader who they could vote for

    Did he say that God called him, chosen him, to run for president?

    Yes, as you say to me, you are entitled to your opinion. I have given you my opinion. Only God knows for sure.

    Of course, I will pray for him. That is what the scriptures say that I should do.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    November 25, 2016 at 2:55 pm#818084
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    I am not arrogant for telling the truth ,I told you why this prophecy is not of God ,but you seem to pay more attention to men than to God’s word

    You have provided no evidence, only an opinion. Opinions mean little to me, they are a dime a dozen. Everyone has an opinion. Scripture will sway me. Show me where God stopped calling certain men to positions of authority. Show me why Paul is wrong for asking us to pray for those in authority, kings, and other leaders so that we may live in peace. Till then, you can spout off opinions all you like, but you will only sway shallow minded men.

    November 25, 2016 at 3:01 pm#818085
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    Did he say that God called him, chosen him, to run for president?

    He hasn’t said any such thing on that matter and probably not wise to if he believes this.

    Regardless, God does appoint leaders whether they acknowledge him or not. Some of them like King Saul acknowledged God, but largely failed. God of course doesn’t over ride the will of a man.

    November 25, 2016 at 3:15 pm#818086
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    Daniel  2: 20-22
    “And he changeth the times and the seasons; He removeth
    kings, and setteth up kings; he giveth wisdom unto the wise,
    and knowledge to them that know understanding…

    Daniel 2: 37
    “Thou, O king, art a king of kings, for the God of heaven
    hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, glory.”

    Daniel 4: 13-17
    “13 I saw in the visions of my head upon my bed, and, behold,
    a watcher and an holy one came down from heaven. 14 He cried
    aloud, and said thus….. 17 This matter is by the decree of the
    watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the
    intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in
    the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and
    setteth up over it the basest of men.”

    Daniel 4: 25-26
    “25 That they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling
    shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make thee
    to eat grass as oxen, and they shall wet thee with the dew of
    heaven, and seven times shall pass over thee, till thou know
    that the Most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and
    giveth it to whomsoever He will. 26 And whereas they
    commanded to leave the stump of the tree roots; thy kingdom
    shall be sure unto thee, after that thou shalt have known
    that the heavens do rule.”

    Daniel 4: 31-32
    “31 While the word was in the king’s mouth, there fell a voice
    from heaven, saying, O king Nebuchadnezzar, to thee it is
    spoken; The kingdom is departed from thee. 32 And they shall
    drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts
    of the field; they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven
    times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the Most High
    ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever He
    will.“

    Daniel 5: 21
    “And he was driven from the sons of men; and his heart was
    made like the beasts, and his dwelling was with the wild asses;
    they fed him with grass like oxen, and his body was wet with the
    dew of heaven; till he knew that the most high God ruled in the
    kingdom of men, and that He appointeth over it whomsoever he will.”

    Some people like Terr believe that this was largely true in the past but not now. But Jesus did say this in  John 19:10-11:

    “Then saith Pilate unto him: Speakest thou not unto me?
    Knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have
    power to release thee? Jesus answered:Thou couldest have
    no power at all against me, except it were given thee from
    above. Therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the
    greater sin.”

    Paul seems to agree too in Romans 13: 1-6:
    “Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For
    there is no power but of God. The powers that be are
    ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power,
    resisteth the ordinance of God; and they that resist shall
    receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror
    to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of
    the power? Do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise
    of the same. For he is the minister of God to thee for good.
    But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth
    not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger
    to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must
    need be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
    For this cause pay ye tribute also, for they are God’s ministers,
    attending continually upon this very thing.”

    Surely arguing against this idea is like arguing against the scriptures. Usually three witnesses is enough. I have given you much more.

    November 25, 2016 at 3:39 pm#818087
    terraricca
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    t8

    bravo;so we should pray for Nero,Hitler,caligula ,and the despot in North Korea,Stalin, and all the likes ,

    you should really read your scriptures more carefully ,

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    for rulers are not a terror
    to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of
    the power? Do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise
    of the same. For he is the minister of God to thee for good.
    But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth
    not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger
    to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must
    need be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
    For this cause pay ye tribute also, for they are God’s ministers,
    attending continually upon this very thing.”

    please apply those verses to those rulers ?

     

    the only thing you will have to agree with is that a true christian believer will stay out of the world affairs and run when his life becomes in danger and always keep hopping in God and his son

    November 25, 2016 at 3:48 pm#818088
    terraricca
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    t8

    You have provided no evidence, only an opinion. Opinions mean little to me, they are a dime a dozen. Everyone has an opinion. Scripture will sway me. Show me where God stopped calling certain men to positions of authority. Show me why Paul is wrong for asking us to pray for those in authority, kings, and other leaders so that we may live in peace. Till then, you can spout off opinions all you like, but you will only sway shallow minded men.

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    I have ask you if God and his son have changed the gospel call  through which all men are called by faith ?

    did God through his scriptures as establish a different access to him beside the blood of his son ? please if yes show it to me I may have overlooked it

     

     

     

    November 27, 2016 at 9:59 am#818095
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    Hi T8:

    Regardless, God does appoint leaders whether they acknowledge him or not.

    When God appointed a leader, He did not rely on the people to vote him in as was done in our democracy.

    In he NT, he gave Jesus all power of heaven and earth, and he has said that he appoints leaders in the church.  He does not say that he appoints the leaders of the nations.   He does say that he will show us things to come.

    November 27, 2016 at 11:23 am#818096
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    Hi guys, I found the following video on youtube, and it relates to this topic.
    The speaker, however, is a SDA, and believes in a Saturday only sabbath:

    November 27, 2016 at 5:19 pm#818101
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    bravo;so we should pray for Nero,Hitler,caligula ,and the despot in North Korea,Stalin, and all the likes ,

    you should really read your scriptures more carefully ,

    Of course we should have at the time they were in authority. Prayer changes things. It is a petition to God about something specific. It doesn’t mean that you pray that Hitler would prosper, but the opposite. Would have thought that was obvious.

    Pray that Trump would be open to God and let God’s people live in peace so they can share the Kingdom.

    November 27, 2016 at 5:21 pm#818102
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    I have ask you if God and his son have changed the gospel call  through which all men are called by faith ?

    did God through his scriptures as establish a different access to him beside the blood of his son ? please if yes show it to me I may have overlooked it

    This doesn’t relate to the topic. If we are told to pray for people, does that somehow negate preaching the gospel? No, do not be foolish. You can do both. You can walk and chew gum at the same time right?

    November 27, 2016 at 6:39 pm#818112
    terraricca
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    I disagree with you on this for there is another way to interpreting Paul words ,and not being in conflict with Jesus NOT PRAYING FOR THE WORLD

    now you analogy of walk and chewing at the same time is as good as living both a sinning and righteous life or supporting sinful men and righteous man as well,how confused can some one be ?

    it is nice to stick to a topic but as I say we will never come to the real truth of the matter for truth cannot be encapsulated into a few words without add questions

    November 29, 2016 at 1:18 pm#818117
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    You are being silly. Paul tells us the reason to pray for kings and those in authority. It is not to save the world as such, but that God’s people can live in peace and I suppose to freely teach and preach the truth.

    Jesus did not come here to save this world system, rather to save the people in it. Paul is not telling you to pray that this world will become like Heaven, no. He is saying to pray that we may be able to live in peace and by extension of that, probably to make it easy to bring the kingdom.

    The kingdom of God is the priority. Praying for those in power still pleases God.

    Do you want to please God? You are not pleasing him with your stance here because you read something elsewhere and think it negates this. Your view of the Bible seems full of contradictions, so you are forced to choose one thing over another. But that is your lack of understanding. You can please God by praying for those in authority, and you can also pray that those who are of the world can enter the Kingdom of God by being converted. No contradiction. But if you continue to see contradiction, then you will have to displease God one way or another. That is your choice. But don’t shoot the messenger as they say Terr. I am only helping you here. If you cannot see it now, then you will one day hopefully.

    November 29, 2016 at 2:00 pm#818119
    terraricca
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    I will ask you one question ;do we have to understand Jesus through Paul letters or do we have to understand Paul’s letters through Jesus words has he lived ?

    November 29, 2016 at 2:52 pm#818123
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    We should understand the truth. Paul is obviously a follower of Jesus Christ. But saying that he is wrong because Jesus said another thing can be resolved in two ways.

    1. Paul is wrong so ignore him.
    2. Both were right. There is no contradiction.

    You seem to infer 1).

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