Flat Earthers gather in New Zealand

Flat Earthers hold a conference in Auckland, with speakers from around the globe.

Flat Earth celebrities have flown across the globe to speak at the Flat Earth Expo in Auckland, New Zealand. Flat Earthers believe that we live on a flat plane rather than the accepted globe model. Flat Earthers also believe that most evidence to the contrary is controlled by a giant conspiracy of which NASA is at the forefront.

The Flat Earth model has the north pole in the centre of a flat circular disc and the South Pole as not existing at all. Instead, they believe that Antarctica is a giant encircling ice wall that hems in the world’s oceans. They point out that nearly all of us have never visited Antarctica, thus we rely on the testimony of a few who claim to have visited the frozen continent, and who are mostly lying to us and are part of the conspiracy. Flat Earthers are quick to point out that it is illegal to visit Antarctica. Whether this is true or not, the fact is, it is illegal to do a number of things in any protected wilderness areas of the world of which Antarctica is a special one.

This conference in Auckland comes with a huge opportunity. Flat Earthers flying to New Zealand from the Northern Hemisphere have a unique opportunity to prove to themselves that the Earth is not flat and instead the mostly accepted globe. They only need to travel via South America to New Zealand and note the hours spent getting there will be way less than their Flat Earth model would have you believe. You see, the Flat Earth disc with no south pole has New Zealand, Australia, South America, and Africa many times apart in distance from each other as the globe suggests, simply because, instead of reducing down to a single point we call the South Pole, the area of land in the Southern Hemisphere expands out to the giant ice wall circumference of the whole disc. This projection is similar to how we view Canada, Russia, or even Antarctica on most world maps where they are many times larger on these maps than they are in reality . This is because maps have difficulty projecting a 3D globe onto their 2D canvas. In essence, the Flat Earth model is a 2D construct as it is a flat surface albeit disc shape, so it has the Southern Hemisphere as being much larger in area than it really is.

Sitting in an isolated spot in the Southern Hemisphere, New Zealand gives these Flat Earthers travelling to Auckland the unique opportunity to debunk their own belief. But how many will actually test this out? I am thinking perhaps a few, but most of these guys will just be looking forward to rubbing shoulders with their Flat Earth brothers when they get here and on-route looking out toward the flat horizon because they are simply not flying high enough to see the curve.

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  • #830145
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Okay, I made it to the end of the thread, and didn’t find one single explanation for how the moon can eclipse from the top down – or side to side for that matter.  I’m calling you all out here…

    Ed?  Gene?  Kathi?  David?  Andrew?  T8?  Nick?  Here’s the video again, in case you missed it…

    #830146
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    That video is overwhelming and irrefutable proof that, at least on two eclipses, the shadow on the moon couldn’t possibly have been caused by the earth.  And that means the heliocentric model is wrong – plain and simple.  Who can refute what I’ve just said?

    #830147
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Mike,

    Ps 2.2

    The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers take counsel together against the Lord

    and against His anointed saying

    ’Let us tear their fetters apart and cast away their cords from us’

    … worship the Lord with reverence and rejoice with trembling. Do homage to the Son,

    that He not become angry, and you perish in the way, for His wrath may soon be kindled.

    Zech 14.5

    …Then The Lord , my God will come, and all the Holy ones with Him

    Zech 14.9

    Then the Lord will be king over all the earth; in that day the Lord will be the only one, and His name the only one.

     

    When will you understand that God uses human vessels for His purposes?

    #830148
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Mike,

    Just pleased you are ending the thread.

    Not interested in your dinky science.

    #830149
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Nick, the “one” in Micah 5:2 has to…

    1.  Come from Bethlehem.
    2. Rule over Israel.
    3. Have originated in days of old.

    Who fits the bill?

    Also…

    Exodus 20

    “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

    1.  How many days are we to work before taking a day off?
    2. What is the reason God Himself gave for giving us this schedule?

    That’s where you and I are, Nick.  When you can directly and honestly address those, we can talk about more things.

    #830150
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Here’s where T8 and I are…

    1.  Waiting for an answer to the questions I posed to Nick above about Exodus 20 (since I posed them to T8 before I posed them to Nick).
    2. Waiting to hear if he understands that a man disappearing from the bottom up as he’s walking away on a football field doesn’t mean he’s going over the curvature of the earth.
    3. Waiting to hear his explanation for how the moon can eclipse from the top down.
    4. Waiting to hear if he yet realizes that seeing things that would be miles under the curve prove that the earth isn’t curved.
    5. Waiting to hear if he understands that just because one thing is literal in scripture, doesn’t mean everything is, and vice-versa for metaphorical.
    6. Waiting to hear his scriptural reason for trying to add more time into Genesis 1, and for trying to move the creation day of the sun forward.  (See, I already know his reason, and I know it has nothing to do with scriptures.  His reason is based on the lies of godless men, and I’m trying to get him to be a stand up man and just admit that.)

    Kathi, I’m just waiting for you to come discuss this top-down eclipse with me, to see what our iron on iron can figure out.

     

    #830152
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Mike,

    God will rule in Israel.

    He will rule through his Son Jesus Christ.

    A man transformed by his anointing from above by the Holy Spirit.

    A man born in Bethlehem who was made both Lord and Christ.

    It is all about God as His Spirit using chosen vessels.

    #830153
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Mike,

    Heb 4

    Therefore, let us fear if, while a promise remains of entering His REST , any one of you may seem to have come short of it. For he indeed we have had the good news preached to us, just as they also; but the word they heard did not profit them, because it was not united by faith in those who heard. For we who have believed have entered that REST, just as He has said,

    ’ As I swore in My wrath, they shall not enter my REST’

    Though His works were finishedfrom the foundation of the world. For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day,

    ’And God rested on the seventh day from all His works’

    and again in this passage

    ’They shall not enter My REST’

    Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly had good news reached to the failed to enter because of disobedience, He again fixes a certain day’ today’ saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before,

    ’Today if you hear His voice, do not harden your heart’

    For if Joshua had given them REST He would not have spoken of another day after that. So there remains a SABBATH REST for the people of God. For the one who has entered His REST has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. Therefore let us be diligent to enter that REST, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience.

     

    The REST is the millennial reign.

    Do you agree?

    #830154
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Mike,

    Will God not rule in Israel?

    #830156
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Mike,

    “ONE will go forth for ME to be ruler in Israel.”

    And you think the

    ONE

    IS  the

    ME.?

     

    God is not a God of confusion but of peace

    #830157
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    T8The creation event like prophecy is not the same as a recorded event in history right?”

     

     

    That may be your conclusion but many who believe in the Word of God do view it as an historical event.

     

    #830158
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    T8: “Plus, I don’t think the Fibonacci Code draws even flower petals, it’s more about spirals.”

     

    I believe you need to educate yourself on this. This is a fascinating subject!

     

    #830159
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    T8: “You can clearly see the bottom of the buildings are cut off from view.”

     

    In case you missed the point Mike made it was that all of the buildings should be well under the curve.

    Also, it has been explained and demonstrated here that the atmosphere both magnifies and bends the light down thru refraction which explains the missing little bitty bit of missing building.

    How did you explain why we can see any part of the buildings much less most of them?

    #830160
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Now, instead of me answering the same points over and over – how about you address that top-down eclipse video for the FIRST time?

    Mike, you can easily simulate the curvature effect using a small distance from yourself. If a field rises slightly then you could walk over it and start to dissappear over the other side and it could easily look flat 5o the observer. As for this effect over the horizon, I imagine that is best done over water as water doesn’t generally undulate like land. I saw a video of an ocean liner disappearing bottom first and in that same video, they noted that Flat Earthers use the same small boat example on the near side of the horizon, meaning when it dissappears out of view due to its small size, it can be brought back with binoculars. That is pretty deceptive or at least ignorant. You have also helped out with posting photos of skylines where the bottom part is clearly missing.

    As for the topsy turvey  eclipse, I already said I cannot visualise it on a globe earth or a flat earth. I said that the video could be fake or the lit up part was because the sun was behind the person and to his right. Not sure what is possible here, but needless to say it doesn’t cry out flat earth to me.

    Overall, what I think you are doing in this topic is ignoring the log and promoting the speck.

    #830161
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Dig. I predicted someone would post a flower video and was right. It is not because it is a flower or that the circles are equal diameters, but has more to do with the spiral pattern or ever decreasing or increasing spiral shape. And yes that is found in flowers, but not in the believed orbit of wandering stars. I likened it to the shape of petals but not a Fibonacci sequence. Regardless, you haven’t attempted to explain the coincidence that the helio model makes the orbits as simple and predictable orbits around the sun if you placebthe eat as revolving around it also.

    #830167
    Ed J
    Participant

    Mike said:

    When a day in scripture is qualified as having an evening and a morning, is it more likely than not that it refers to a regular day? YES or NO?
    When days in scripture are accompanied by numbers, such as “the first day”, “the second day”, “the third day”, etc, is it more likely than not that they refer to regular days? YES or NO?
    When God says we must work six days and rest on the seventh BECAUSE He created for six days and rested on the seventh, is it more likely than not that God is talking about regular days? YES or NO?

    I say:

    Yes, Yes, Yes.

    I say:
    In most circumstances this is the case because most cases have a context of everyday life and normal events, but it is not correct in all cases. In most circumstances, an hour is an hour and a week a week. But in the creation event, prophecy, and parables, we do not apply literal meanings usually. So the correct answer is not always. Notice your question says: LIKELY and I am answering yes to that particular wording because scripture records a lot of history where a day is a day. The creation event like prophecy is not the same as a recorded event in history right? Would you argue that Judgement Day 24 hours long?

    Scripture talks about hours, days, and weeks and they are not always literal. When it comes to John saying he was in the last hour because of the rise of antichrists, then a literal hour has expired right and yet here we are still in the last hour. Explain that? When Daniel talks about a week, many scholars think it is code for years such as Daniel’s 70th week. In the creation event, you both argue that the days are literal 24 hours including the first day when you say the sun was not even created. A huge discrepancy right there.

    Simply put, what is going on here is the language. Hebrew has less words than English so words like hour, day, week, sword, etc are used to mean a period of time or power and authority in context. The last hour mention for example could be applying a day for the whole age. The context of the creation event is 6 stages followed by a rest of which our week is an image of. If you are going to be literal about everything, then be literal about the last hour John spoke about, the seventy weeks of Daniel, the sword coming from the mouth of Jesus when he returns, and the locusts with human heads.

    At least be consistent, but cherry picking is cheating and people notice it right away.

    But I hear you say repeatedly that the creation says had a morning and an evening. But I have addressed this fairly and rightly dividing the word.

    You say there was no sun on the first 3.5 days. Even the fourth day had no sun in the morning. Explain that and explain why you are free to cherry pick when you can apply the Dig Rule and when not to.

    I bet I do not get an answer to this that is even remotely satisfactory. Prove me wrong.

    Good Post T8

    #830168
    Ed J
    Participant

    Eddy J: No Digger,

    The bible says: God called “the light” he created on day 1 “Day” – that my friend is “the sun” – DAY 1

    So “the sun” is “the light” God created on day one? Do a check and see if the Hebrew word for “light” on day one is the same word for “sun” on day four. Let us know what you find. Scripture tells me God both made the sun and placed it in the firmament on day four. You say otherwise. I will stick with what scripture says.

    Hi Mike,

    I wouldn’t matter, as long as the light that God called “Day”
    on day is the same word as “Day” used on day four.

    Do you not see this?

    ____________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #830169
    Ed J
    Participant

    1) Did the word of God (as you imagine it) have an origin?
    2) Did the word of God (as you imagine it) come from Bethlehem?
    3) Is the word of God (as you imagine it) the ruler over Israel?

    Hi Mike,

    I like y/n questions

    1) No
    2) No
    3) Yes

    You didn’t used to. 🙂 But anyway, you can see by your “No”, “No”, “Yes” response that you are misaligned with scripture. Because according to scripture, the answer is “Yes” to all three. So whoever is ruling over Israel right now is the same one who came from Bethlehem, but also had an origin from ancient days. You’ll have to align your understanding of “the word” so that it can fit all of those criteria.

    So says you

    #830177
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Mike said: Again, pay attention. Look at the post (I think third from the top of this page), and tell me if the man walking away is disappearing over the curvature of the earth. Seriously, tell me if he is, so I know I won’t have to deal with this same crap another hundred times.


    1 2 3 is so easy to do. You just need a small hill or a bit of high ground. Walk over the top and you go down the other side. It works like the horizon on the globe earth. You go over and you start to disappear from the bottom up. It works with big objects like ocean liners and tall building. You see the bottom of these cut off too, like those pictures you’ve been posting of city skylines where the bottom of the buildings are below the visible horizon, but perhaps also affected by atmospheric lensing to give a greater than normal view. Not going to be swayed by that report either.

    #830179
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    T8: “You can clearly see the bottom of the buildings are cut off from view.”

    In case you missed the point Mike made it was that all of the buildings should be well under the curve.

    Also, it has been explained and demonstrated here that the atmosphere both magnifies and bends the light down thru refraction which explains the missing little bitty bit of missing building.

    How did you explain why we can see any part of the buildings much less most of them?

    Atmospheric refraction is the deviation of light or other electromagnetic wave from a straight line as it passes through the atmosphere due to the variation in air density as a function of height.
    Wikipedia

    Reflection is the process by which “a surface of discontinuity turns back a portion of the incident radiation into the medium through which the radiation approached.” Reflection is important to take into account since about a third of the energy from the sun is reflected.
    http://www.severewx.com/Radiation/reflection.html

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