Flat Earthers gather in New Zealand

Flat Earthers hold a conference in Auckland, with speakers from around the globe.

Flat Earth celebrities have flown across the globe to speak at the Flat Earth Expo in Auckland, New Zealand. Flat Earthers believe that we live on a flat plane rather than the accepted globe model. Flat Earthers also believe that most evidence to the contrary is controlled by a giant conspiracy of which NASA is at the forefront.

The Flat Earth model has the north pole in the centre of a flat circular disc and the South Pole as not existing at all. Instead, they believe that Antarctica is a giant encircling ice wall that hems in the world’s oceans. They point out that nearly all of us have never visited Antarctica, thus we rely on the testimony of a few who claim to have visited the frozen continent, and who are mostly lying to us and are part of the conspiracy. Flat Earthers are quick to point out that it is illegal to visit Antarctica. Whether this is true or not, the fact is, it is illegal to do a number of things in any protected wilderness areas of the world of which Antarctica is a special one.

This conference in Auckland comes with a huge opportunity. Flat Earthers flying to New Zealand from the Northern Hemisphere have a unique opportunity to prove to themselves that the Earth is not flat and instead the mostly accepted globe. They only need to travel via South America to New Zealand and note the hours spent getting there will be way less than their Flat Earth model would have you believe. You see, the Flat Earth disc with no south pole has New Zealand, Australia, South America, and Africa many times apart in distance from each other as the globe suggests, simply because, instead of reducing down to a single point we call the South Pole, the area of land in the Southern Hemisphere expands out to the giant ice wall circumference of the whole disc. This projection is similar to how we view Canada, Russia, or even Antarctica on most world maps where they are many times larger on these maps than they are in reality . This is because maps have difficulty projecting a 3D globe onto their 2D canvas. In essence, the Flat Earth model is a 2D construct as it is a flat surface albeit disc shape, so it has the Southern Hemisphere as being much larger in area than it really is.

Sitting in an isolated spot in the Southern Hemisphere, New Zealand gives these Flat Earthers travelling to Auckland the unique opportunity to debunk their own belief. But how many will actually test this out? I am thinking perhaps a few, but most of these guys will just be looking forward to rubbing shoulders with their Flat Earth brothers when they get here and on-route looking out toward the flat horizon because they are simply not flying high enough to see the curve.

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  • #825886
    Lightenup
    Participant

    t8, I get that. I have a problem with Mike calling Sagan a liar. Neil doesn’t call him a liar. Sagan was actually on to the truth and could have used a third well to satisfy the theory. Neil goes on to satisfy the theory of a spherical earth anyway through the rest of the video.

    #825887
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    t8, I get that. I have a problem with Mike calling Sagan a liar. Neil doesn’t call him a liar. Sagan was actually on to the truth and could have used a third well to satisfy the theory. Neil goes on to satisfy the theory of a spherical earth anyway through the rest of the video.

    That’s basically my view too. Regardless, if Sagan was lying, isn’t the point that the third well proves the sphere earth and thus Sagan was right about the sphere earth. My guess he was assuming a distant sun in both flat and sphere earth theories.

    #825889
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Ok t8, nice to agree with you. Good night from this side of the globe 🙂

    #825890
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Hey Mike, I found a competing photo to my one, so mine is not so special after all. I feel sad now. The linked news article confirms the vantage point and subject.

    Mt Ruapehu

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/local-papers/kapiti-observer/8924589/Fine-weather-ahead

    Now compare to mine.

    #825893
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Okay, I photoshopped mine to get it to look as good as the other one. Not even close.

    #825900
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Dig4thruth,

    In the beginning God created the heaven(a) and the earth(b).
    And God said, Let there be light(c): and there was light.
    And God divided the light from the darkness(d). And God called the light Day,
    and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. (Gen 1:1-5)

    (Note> On day 4 NIGHT is the focus)
    And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day (this happened on day 1),
    and the lesser light to rule the night(a): he made the stars also(b).
    And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven
    to divide the day from the night(b); and let them be for signs,
    and for seasons, and for days, and years(c): (Gen 1:16-19)

    Let’s presuppose for a minute the Heliocentric is true,
    Then could it not be said:

    On Day 1, God Created:
    a. Empty Space
    c. The Earth
    b. The Sun
    d. The Earth’s Axis rotation

    On day 4, for the darkness, God Created:
    a. The Moon
    b. The Stars
    c. The Earth’s orbit of the Sun

    I would like to hear both Your’s and Mike’s comments to this information.
    And like the sun being mentioned on day 4, so also is days, which both
    could be argued as occurring on day 1. (see highlighted portions)

    ____________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #825902
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    Job 37:9-10 Out of the south comes the storm, And out of the north the cold. 10 “From the breath of God ice is made, And the expanse of the waters is frozen.

     

    I’m not sure that Genesis would contain any description of the artic zones. It seems clear that at one time they were tropical too. Probably after the flood of Noah’s day the ice began to form to get the point that we see them today.

     

     

    #825903
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    Ed, I don’t see how something said to be made on day 4 could be made on day 1. That would be a clear contradiction.

    I believe we must let Scripture speak for itself. If it says the sun was made on day 4 then that must mean what it says.

    Usually this type of timeline is used to accommodate long ages to fit in evolution, whether biological or astronomical. I don’t know if that is your intention or if you are just trying to accommodate a spherical earth but this is difficult to do if we take Scripture on face value.

    Keep in mind that each creation day had a night and a day.

    #825904
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    Lightenup: “I get that. I have a problem with Mike calling Sagan a liar. Neil doesn’t call him a liar. Sagan was actually on to the truth and could have used a third well to satisfy the theory. Neil goes on to satisfy the theory of a spherical earth anyway through the rest of the video.”

     

     

    Actually Mike didn’t call anyone a liar, he said that the conclusion was a lie.

     

    Mike:  “But in 1980, Carl Sagan told millions of TV viewers that the difference Eratosthenes recorded in the shadows could ONLY happen on a ball. And those people and their kids have been repeating this lie ever since.”

     

     

     

     

    #825905
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    t8, I believe you’ve got. The well experiment hinges on a sun that is millions of miles away. If it were close the shadows would not men a spherical earth. Also, keep in mind that adding a third well would not make any difference with a near sun.

    But that begs the question if there is any evidence of a near sun!

    I would have to say that there is. Two evidences come to mind; crepuscular rays and hotspots on clouds.

    I’ll have to get back to these a little later. I owe, I owe, it’s off to work I go…

    #825906
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Mike:  “But in 1980, Carl Sagan told millions of TV viewers that the difference Eratosthenes recorded in the shadows could ONLY happen on a ball. And those people and their kids have been repeating this lie ever since.”

    And would be true if the sun were distant as is widely accepted.

    #825909
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Mike…..show me in the Gen 1-2 where there list any dates or times, only it says in the Beginning. Do you or anyone hare know when that was? IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH, INFACT EVERY THEN IN SPACE HAD A BEGINNING. LIKE THE BIG BAN THEORY EXPLAINS maybe.
    Next go look up Jupiter’s information, and you will find that the planet is so large it acts like a giant vacuum suck up astroids and comets that aproch our solar system, so it is said to act as a protector of the earth. Look it up for yourself it all available for anyone to see.

    Nothing you and you FE buddies has yet been proved, as solid evidence, everything has been proven not true by many, many, many, scientific experts, not to even begin to mention the thousand of actual pictures and movies shot from space of hundreds of satlites, space station, eye witness from astronauts themselves, and the list goes on and on of thing that “completely” disprove the FLAT EARTH GARBAGE.

    Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene

    #825910
    Ed J
    Participant

    Ed, I don’t see how something said to be made on day 4 could be made on day 1. That would be a clear contradiction.

    Hi Dig4thruth,

    You appear to be addressing the sun mention
    by your presupposed doubts as some kind of evidence,
    while at the same time ignoring an even clearer reference:

    “And God divided the light from the darkness” <-day 1 "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for ...days" <-- day 4

    #825911
    Ed J
    Participant

    Both of these ideas mentioned in day 4 refer BACK to the Earth’s rotation
    as it correlates to the Heliocentric model of our solar-system as mentioned in day 1.

    Please address this point

    #825913
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,

    The creation of light and darkness in Gen 1.3 does not need a created sun.

     

    You do not need the Sun to have light.

    God is light and in Him there is no darkness at all. 1jn 1.5

    And at the end there will be no need for a sun because God gives light. Is 60.19, Rev 22.5

    #825914
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    Gene: “show me in the Gen 1-2 where there list any dates or times, only it says in the Beginning. Do you or anyone hare know when that was? IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH, INFACT EVERY THEN IN SPACE HAD A BEGINNING. LIKE THE BIG BAN THEORY EXPLAINS maybe.”

     

     

    You just answered your own question, in the beginning. The beginning is when an event “begins”.

    The Big Ban[g] theory is astrological evolution, that’s all it is. It’s design is to try to eliminate God from His creation.

    Six days after the beginning of the universe man was created. He did not evolve and neither did the universe.

     

    #825915
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    Gene: “Nothing you and you FE buddies has yet been proved, as solid evidence, everything has been proven not true by many, many, many, scientific experts, not to even begin to mention the thousand of actual pictures and movies shot from space of hundreds of satlites, space station, eye witness from astronauts themselves, and the list goes on and on of thing that “completely” disprove the FLAT EARTH GARBAGE.”

     

     

    Thanks for for pitching the softballs! Yes, there IS solid evidence.

    Which experiment would you like to begin with? Samuel Rowbothem’s Bedford Level experiment? Airy’s Failure, Olber’s Paradox, Michelson-Morley, Sagnac, Foucault’s Pendulum (yes, that’s one for our side), which one would you like to begin with?

    #825916
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jodi,

    God has allowed the evil works of darkness.

    God is light and He has revealed the challenge.

    Light has to overcome the darkness in everyone.

    But Satan and the demons are already condemned.

    Earthly creation is condemned to death but hope reigns.

    Jesus Christ is the only means of salvation offered by God.

    Occupied man has to find the road to freedom and eternal life.

    God appeals to the vessel and offers help to him in overcoming Satan.

    Knowledge of his perilous situation and about entering the kingdom is vital.

    The way is not easy and the only hope for man is to listen and to obey every word.

    And he needs grace, grace and more grace.

     

    #825919
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    Ed: “You appear to be addressing the sun mention by your presupposed doubts as some kind of evidence,
    while at the same time ignoring an even clearer reference: “And God divided the light from the darkness” <-day 1 “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for …days” <– day 4″

     

     

    I don’t have any presupposed doubts about the Word of God. The Word says the sun was created on day 4. <- (that’s a period)

    which part of “day 4” do you have a presupposed aversion to?

    Are you presupposing that God needs a sun or a moon to have light? Hmm? Have you not read that God is light? I John 1:5

    Assuming that the sun was created on day 1 is a little presumptuous, in my opinion. Can you defend it with Scripture is really the only test.

     

    #825920
    Dig4truth
    Participant

    Ed: “Both of these ideas mentioned in day 4 refer BACK to the Earth’s rotation
    as it correlates to the Heliocentric model of our solar-system as mentioned in day 1.”

     

     

    “Heliocentric” refers to the sun. The sun wasn’t even created until day 4. How then can anything created on day 1 refer to the sun? And here is my burning question; where does it mention earth’s rotation? Spin, spinning, rotate, rotating, turn, turning, around and around, anything?

    Ed I can see you are seeking to investigate this matter. Be careful you may find yourself in the Flat Zone! And above all delight in the Lord this Shabbat! Blessings to you and yours! I enjoy your questions and your spirit of peace, the same with t8.

     

     

     

     

     

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