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“Just because a guy struggles with same-sex attraction doesn’t mean God made him gay, any more than a guy struggling with anger means God made him a murderer. You have a choice about what you do with every temptation. You may not choose homosexual desires, but you do choose what you do with them.” https://www.livingwaters.com/coming-out-of-the-closet-on-homosexuality/?fbclid=IwAR2AwQSszigSnc8JOaCM22SR7A71dRxioLTrB-HgJHABm3nu06QCt6kph40

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  • July 7, 2016 at 1:24 pm#815663
    hoghead1
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    Hi again, t8,

    Einstein was, interestingly enough, a horrible student who could barely get anything but a flunky job and even that took considerable pull from some friends in influential places. Einstein had a one-track mind.  What he was into, he was really into.  What bored him, he simply skipped, which was most of the subjects taught in schools, including electrical lab, which his record showed he kept cutting in college and therefore got an F.  However, he is the exception, not the rule. Edison said he had only three months of grade-school education and, interestingly enough, could not do advanced math or chemical equations. When he was asked how he then figured out things, he said he really couldn’t explain it, that  he just “sees” answers. However, Edison is the exception, not the rule.  For the rest of us, there is school, and without that, you are sunk, believe me. In highly academic subjects and fields, such as biblical studies, theology, philosophy, etc., yes, your really do need da solid formal education. Yes, as general rule, those with the advanced degrees so know their subject matter far better than do the laity.  There is no doubt about that. As far as tooting your  horn goes, yes, you do have to do that.  That’s why we  all send out resumes for job openings. If I appear to be tooting my own horn  here, so be it.  I am simply trying to share where I am coming from. Yes, I don’t think  I have a better understanding of the Trinity than you do, I know I do. And I can assure you that from a solid, scholarly standpoint, you hypothesis that the Trinity is some sort of conspiracy thought up by early fathers violating biblical teachings is pure hogwash. Granted, the Trinity has  been subject to great debates and controversies, but never  on the basis that it had no biblical foundation, as you are vainly arguing.

    July 7, 2016 at 1:27 pm#815664
    hoghead1
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    HI, t8,

    I would encourage you to read, not skim, posts I send.  If you don’t care to take the time to read them, let me know and I will simply stop sending them.

    July 7, 2016 at 1:31 pm#815665
    hoghead1
    Participant

    Hi, t8,

    The question remains, however, why you consider homosexuality something weak or inappropriate.  If your argument is that teh Bible forbids it, then what are your standards for cherry picking, for determining what biblical laws you will follow and what not?  What makes you  think it’s OK for you to eat ham, but not be homosexual, for example?  You need to clarify all this.

    July 7, 2016 at 1:38 pm#815666
    hoghead1
    Participant

    HI, Kerwin,

    Oh, OK, I’m unduly subject to cultural influences, but you aren’t, I suppose.  C’mon.  Generally, universities  encourage students and faculty to us respectful language.  That’s the essence of political correctness.  You have a problem with that?

    July 7, 2016 at 2:00 pm#815670
    kerwin
    Participant

    Hoghead1,

    I am afraid I have difficulties with them as well but my nature tends to rebel against norms. I am also at the same time I am some what subject to peer pressure. The third element is what Scripture teaches me by the Spirit or the flesh. All together it resembles walking through a spiritual midfield. Some would call it interesting.

    I believe you are more subject to them than me but then I have other issues resulting from being an introvert. You are probably more social than me and operate in a different social circle. There is social-economical background as well but that effect is weaker due to more resent environmental factors.

    You could probably word it all better since it is where you have been taught more than me.

    July 7, 2016 at 2:08 pm#815672
    hoghead1
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    Hi, Kerwin,

    We are all subject to cultural influences, which is not all bad. I will grant you that I work out of a very different environment than you do. However, it is also true that political correctness, if that is what you want to call it, is encouraged in most work places and with good reason.

    July 7, 2016 at 2:45 pm#815676
    kerwin
    Participant

    hoghead,

    Reason’s the culture thinks are good are not always good or healthy. In all culture works for peace which includes the tolerance of evil. There is a reason Jesus claimed he brought the sword and not peace.

    July 7, 2016 at 6:50 pm#815680
    hoghead1
    Participant

    Hi, Kerwin,

    That is also my point.  Views our culture had of homosexuality and other forms of sexual practices were not always  rational or anything but a sanctified form of sexual oppression.

    July 8, 2016 at 10:24 pm#815731
    JewPenetrator
    Participant

    Hello from Satan

    Just to notify you, homosexuals were not “made”. They were born that way. You all are stupid fucks if you belive in this Christian bullshit then having an opinion on your own. This only shows how all of you are stupid and being manipulated by Christian belifes then having one of your own.

    Let me tell you the truth, people were not made gay.

    And if anyone says that bible said that on the Earth was man and women, I will seriously slap the shit out of them.

    That bible of yours says that men MUSTN’T SHAVE THEIR BEARD. Why are you doing that then?

    That same bible says that men mustn’t cut their hair? Then why are you doing that?

    Your bible says that we allowed to kill women.WHY WE DON’T DO THAT?

    WHY IS THAT PUNISHED BY LAW??

     

    TO ALL OF YOUR SHIT EATERS AROUND THE WORLD, YOU ARE STUPID.

    HUMANS ARE BORN WITH SEXUALITY. NOT MADE.

    So just to let you know, today we are doing a cult and we will destroy humanity beacuse of your bullshit. We had enough. See you in hell.

    xoxo

    July 9, 2016 at 9:32 am#815741
    hoghead1
    Participant

    Your post is full of foul language and totally inappropriate in this or any other forum.

    July 9, 2016 at 10:50 am#815746
    kerwin
    Participant

    @admin and hoghead1,

    That is a troll and it is best not to feed them. The post serves no purpose but to attempt to get a flame war going. The individual signed up to make that one post as homosexuality is an issue they hold but are not rational with. They will probably loose privileges on the board quickly.

    July 9, 2016 at 11:19 am#815747
    hoghead1
    Participant

    Hi, Kerwin,

    Thanks for the info.

    July 10, 2016 at 5:54 pm#815780
    kerwin
    Participant

    Hohhead1,

    You are welcome.

    July 11, 2016 at 12:01 am#815786
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    To Satan.

    Did you read the second post in this topic? It offers evidence that homosexuals are not born that way. If the data is wrong, then show us why.

    I will quote the post in my next post for your convenience.

    July 11, 2016 at 12:02 am#815787
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Eight identical twin studies in the U.S,, Australia, and Scandinavia over the last two decades arrive at the same conclusion: Homosexuals were not born that way. This is said proof that homosexuality is not genetic.

     

    “At best genetics is a minor factor,” says Dr. Neil Whitehead, PhD. Whitehead worked for the New Zealand government as a scientific researcher for 24 years, then spent four years working for the United Nations and International Atomic Energy Agency. Most recently, he serves as a consultant to Japanese universities about the effects of radiation exposure. His PhD is in biochemistry and statistics.

    Identical twins have the same genes or DNA. They are nurtured in equal prenatal conditions. If homosexuality is caused by genetics or prenatal conditions and one twin is gay, the co-twin should also be gay.

    “Because they have identical DNA, it ought to be 100%,” Dr. Whitehead notes. But the studies reveal something else. “If an identical twin has same-sex attraction the chances the co-twin has it are only about 11% for men and 14% for women.”

    Because identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated. “No-one is born gay,” he notes. “The predominant things that create homosexuality in one identical twin and not in the other have to be post-birth factors.”

    The predominant things that create homosexuality in one identical twin and not in the other have to be post-birth factors.

    Dr. Whitehead believes same-sex attraction (SSA) is caused by “non-shared factors,” things happening to one twin but not the other, or a personal response to an event by one of the twins and not the other.

    For example, one twin might have exposure to pornography or sexual abuse, but not the other. One twin may interpret and respond to their family or classroom environment differently than the other. “These individual and idiosyncratic responses to random events and to common environmental factors predominate,” he says.

    The first very large, reliable study of identical twins was conducted in Australia in 1991, followed by a large U.S. study about 1997. Then Australia and the U.S. conducted more twin studies in 2000, followed by several studies in Scandinavia, according to Dr. Whitehead.

    “Twin registers are the foundation of modern twin studies. They are now very large, and exist in many countries. A gigantic European twin register with a projected 600,000 members is being organized, but one of the largest in use is in Australia, with more than 25,000 twins on the books.”

    A significant twin study among adolescents shows an even weaker genetic correlation. In 2002 Bearman and Brueckner studied tens of thousands of adolescent students in the U.S. The same-sex attraction concordance between identical twins was only 7.7% for males and 5.3% for females—lower than the 11% and 14% in the Australian study by Bailey et al conducted in 2000.

    In the identical twin studies, Dr. Whitehead has been struck by how fluid and changeable sexual identity can be.

    “Neutral academic surveys show there is substantial change. About half of the homosexual/bisexual population (in a non-therapeutic environment) moves towards heterosexuality over a lifetime. About 3% of the present heterosexual population once firmly believed themselves to be homosexual or bisexual.”

    “Sexual orientation is not set in concrete,” he notes.

    Source

    Read our writing called Why are some people homosexual?

    July 11, 2016 at 7:59 am#815791
    kerwin
    Participant

    t8,

    “Because they have identical DNA, it ought to be 100%,” Dr. Whitehead notes. But the studies reveal something else. “If an identical twin has same-sex attraction the chances the co-twin has it are only about 11% for men and 14% for women.”

    I have to disagree with him on this one as some genetics is more complex than just a change of an allele. Gene expression would reduce the 100% in some cases. I am surprised he made that error.

    I assume there was also a control group. How does the percents compare to those of the control group?

    This is a political hot button issue and so studies are more likely to be flawed.

    July 11, 2016 at 8:02 am#815792
    kerwin
    Participant

    @t8,

    In the identical twin studies, Dr. Whitehead has been struck by how fluid and changeable sexual identity can be.

    Psychologists used to claim this in the late 70’s and early 80’s and perhaps still do.

    July 11, 2016 at 11:53 am#815795
    hoghead1
    Participant

    Hi, Kersin,

    Yes, most psychologists  subscribe to the idea that sexual preferences are learned, not inherited.

    July 11, 2016 at 11:57 am#815796
    hoghead1
    Participant

    Hi, Kerwin,

    Yes, this is a hot social issue and can trigger prejudicial responses.  So, how do you know you are right?  How come you seem to know more it than the good doctor?  Don’t you think your analysis  is a result of prejudice on your part?

    July 12, 2016 at 2:48 am#815838
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Kerwin, no scripture say men are “born” perverts, we are all born with sexual potentials unless the person is born a eunuch, the desire for sex is genderless, it’s just a strong desire causing lusts in all males and females, all nornal humans have it, now if their minds are not channeled properly, humans will engage in all kinds of sexual behavior. Homosexual behavior is a learned behavior. IF A SOCIETY teaches it is an exceptable type of behavior as the leaders have in the US, IT WILL eventually be ingrained and you will see more and more of this perverted behavior and it is steadly increasing in this country more and more.

    The more the country rejects God and his words the more and more it becomes corrupted and all kinds of evils increase along with it. SCRIPTURE says “the leaders have caused my people to fail”. This is true and being seen more and more in this country. as a nations standards goes down so does the country. IMO

    peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

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