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The Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Father

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The Trinity Doctrine is so preposterous that it contradicts the most basic and simple truths in scripture and causes much confusion and unnecessary division.

For example, the Holy Spirit came to Mary instead of Mary’s husband Joseph. Thus is the Holy Spirit the Father of Jesus, or is the Father? Explain that one with the confusing dogma of the Trinity.

John 15:26
“But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.

The Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Father and is not another person, nor an equal partner of a triune God.

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  • April 6, 2015 at 6:33 am#792892
    NickHassan
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    Hi t8,

    With the Spirit of God in us we are a temple of the Holy Spirit.

    But the Spirit of Christ prays for us in groans[tongues] TO GOD for needs we do not even know.

    Rom 8 Gal4

    April 6, 2015 at 7:40 am#792904
    DavidL
    Participant

    The trinity in essence means the Deity of both Son and Holy Spirit in the sense of sharing the position of God with the Father (not three separate Deities – but one God)… that’s how I’d basically define what Scripture calls ‘the Godhead’… and thus why there is perfect harmony in the Spirit when we worship the Son as God… and why there is no negative guilt or piercing conviction, but instead perfect peace and revelation (the inner witness of the Spirit), when a believer acknowledges that Jesus is both Lord and God…

    The reason I believe in the trinity is because I know that the Deity of Jesus Christ is inspired – regardless of Catholic doctrine (and it pays to remember that not all their doctrine is wrong), the Deity of Christ comes from God (not man) and for those who have received Christ, and are therefore guided by the Spirit in their understanding, this is plainly seen in the Scriptures…

    t8 rejects the trinity, not because of Scripture, but because his own theological study of doctrine has poisoned his mind to the truth – his bias against Catholic doctrine predetermines his interpretation of Scripture… therefore blinding him to the reality of what the Scriptures themselves actually reveal…

    Now he uses different verses to try and prove that the Father is God alone to the exclusion on the Son – yet all these verses he puts forth as ‘proof’ against the trinity are already believed and accepted by all Spirit-filled believers who acknowledge the Deity of Christ…!!! These verses simply do not disprove the trinity as he would like to think – all they do is emphasize the separate roles of Father, Son and Spirit that everyone already acknowledges…!!!

    The problem for t8 is that in denying the trinity (and notice how all cult deceptions start this way), he also has to deny the true Deity of Jesus Christ. When Jesus states, “I and the Father are one.” – this oneness that describes His Deity, is rejected..as is the the first verse of John, and every other passage relating to Christ as God.. and so sadly his personal bias has already determined how he reads Scripture – causing him to teach things based on his own uninspired understanding, that now are completely contrary to the plain Word of God.

     

     

    April 6, 2015 at 8:16 am#792917
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Davidl,

    The vain musings of men.

    So tainted is their view of scripture they cannot hear the Spirit in Jesus Christ

     

    April 6, 2015 at 12:37 pm#792972
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    The problem for t8 is that in denying the trinity (and notice how all cult deceptions start this way), he also has to deny the true Deity of Jesus Christ. When Jesus states, “I and the Father are one.” – this oneness that describes His Deity, is rejected..as is the the first verse of John, and every other passage relating to Christ as God.. and so sadly his personal bias has already determined how he reads Scripture – causing him to teach things based on his own uninspired understanding, that now are completely contrary to the plain Word of God.

    Still bearing false witness DavidL. This is what the Pharisees did to Jesus, so they will do the same with those that follow him.
    I have corrected you with this on a number of occasions now.

    Possessing or sharing in divine nature doesn’t necessarily make you God just as having a spirit doesn’t make you the Holy Spirit.

    He existed in the form of God or having his nature, and emptied himself and came in the flesh. He is now back at the Majesty’s right side in the glory he had with him before the world began. And the body he has will be the kind of body we can have. Further, he calls us brethren so as he is the Son of God, we are the sons of God.

    You should know by now that Believers can participate in divine nature. You do err when you condemn me for saying that the true God is the Father. And that is not to be taken that he is but a flesh being. You are dead wrong and misrepresent what I teach.

    When are you going to stop persecuting Jesus Christ and arguing against him? It was he who taught that the one true God is the Father. He is his God and our God.

    April 6, 2015 at 1:18 pm#792976
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    Does the Spirit need a Father?

    Hi Nick,

    I’ll let this verse answer your question…

    “God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.” (Gal 4:6)

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    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _______________________________________________________________________________________________________
    ”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GOD

    April 6, 2015 at 1:27 pm#792978
    Ed J
    Participant

    “God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.” (Gal 4:6)

    Hi Nick,

    If the spirit that Jesus was born with and the spirit of Christ are not the same spirit, which one is Shaool talking about here?

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    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _______________________________________________________________________________________________________
    ”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GOD

    April 6, 2015 at 1:45 pm#792985
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    God sent the Spirit of His Son.

    We were alive when we were baptised with the Holy Spirit.

    As with Rom 8 this is the Spirit that God sent when Jesus returned to the Father.

     

    It is the Spirit of the Son.

    Jesus became a spiritual Son at the Jordan.

    We cannot share in the natural spirit of the man Jesus.

     

    It left him at Calvary

    April 6, 2015 at 1:49 pm#792988
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    Folks get confused because God was also the physical father of Jesus.

    But flesh contributes nothing.

     

    The reason that the apostles continued to speak and perform miracles was that they too had been given a share in the Spirit given to Jesus.

    April 6, 2015 at 1:51 pm#792989
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    Jesus of Nazareth was anointed with the Holy Spirit[acts 10]

    Not Jesus of Bethlehem.

    April 6, 2015 at 2:48 pm#792994
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi ED,

    The Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of anointing.

     

    April 6, 2015 at 2:48 pm#792995
    kerwin
    Participant

    David,

    The reason I believe in the trinity is because I know that the Deity of Jesus Christ is inspired

    The teaching of the Trinity is not in Scripture and only those that lack knowledge of the message or are corrupt find that Jesus is called God in it.

    The Catholic Church time to standardize the teaching of the Trinity as it tenets were debated in the church until after many centuries it was made the standard. Being made standard is inspiration.

    April 6, 2015 at 2:50 pm#792996
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    God was in Christ.

    Does that make him GOD too?

    April 6, 2015 at 2:51 pm#792997
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Davidl,

    If so you may qualify as well.

    “God is at work in you to will and to do’ phil

    April 6, 2015 at 6:38 pm#793023
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    The trinity in essence means the Deity of both Son and Holy Spirit in the sense of sharing the position of God with the Father (not three separate Deities – but one God)…

    I am aware of the Roman Catholic faith.

    April 6, 2015 at 6:41 pm#793024
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    The problem for t8 is that in denying the trinity (and notice how all cult deceptions start this way)

    Spoken like a true Roman Catholic. Yes the Roman Catholics have long held that they are the true Church and their Trinity Doctrine is essential for salvation. I do not trust them myself. I read scripture and it says different things to what they would have me believe. You too could see this is true if you really searched for the truth. So far you have been fighting for tradition though.

    April 6, 2015 at 11:55 pm#793027
    princess
    Participant

    oh, David is roman chaotic! send the warning Nick, because I’ll end up writing the words again.

    Getting back on subject, Andrew did have a good question that was over look.

    since it is established that you cannot have multiple gods, then how can you have multiple spirits?

    one god would produce one spirit, even though father of all spirits, any spirit that is given would be given by one, I do not see where Christ was given any different spirit then Enoch?

    what I am seeing is that some are setting a double standard, yes there is only one god, but the spirit doesn’t come from god it comes from Christ. once again, why are we given a different spirit? Unity of spirit means exactly that, unity.

     

     

     

     

     

    April 7, 2015 at 5:24 am#793031
    DavidL
    Participant

    @t8

    Listen to the witness of Scripture confirming the words of Christ…”I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE.” (notice – two that are one)

    “..and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”  (notice – two that are one)

    “..before Abraham was born, I Am!” (Jesus speaking as the Father – blasphemy..!!)

    “Who, being in very nature God..” (wrong to call Jesus God..?)

    “The Son is the image of the invisible God.” (idolatry..?)

    “Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” (Oh, Jesus You better correct him he just blasphemed..!)

    “He who has seen Me has seen the Father..” (notice – one that is two)

    “The one who looks at Me is seeing the one who sent Me.” (notice – one that is two)

    “The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His being.” (notice – The Son = the Father)

    “And His name will be called…(wait for it)… Eternal Father.” (notice – The Son = the Father)

    “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call Him Immanuel, which means “God with us.” (notice – the Son = God)

    “..but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.” (Surely Jesus will correct this bad mistake..!!..?)

    “We are not stoning You for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because You, a mere man, claim to be God.” (Oh, silly Jews..!!)

    “Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.” (Woah.!! surely You didn’t say that..!!)

    “The Jewish leaders insisted, “We have a law, and according to that law He must die, because He claimed to be the Son of God.” (notice – Son = God)

    “For in Him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.” (notice – Christ = God)

    “For God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him.” (God = Christ)

    “See to it that you do not refuse Him who is speaking. For if those did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will we escape who turn away from Him who warns from heaven.” – Hebrews 12:25

     

    ““I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” – Revelation 1:8

     

    Question..  Who is the ‘Alpha and Omega’ – this Almighty One who is to come…??

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    April 7, 2015 at 5:37 am#793033
    DavidL
    Participant

    And…

    “That all of them may be one, Father, just as You are in Me and I am in You. May they also be in Us so that the world may believe that You have sent Me.” John 17:21 (notice – two are one, “You are in Me and I am in You. May they be in Us..”)

     

    “This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” (notice – “the only true God AND Jesus Christ”…two that are one.)

    April 7, 2015 at 6:08 am#793037
    kerwin
    Participant

    DavidL,

    Have you not read in Scripture that God dwells in those that believe through his Spirit. (1 Corinthians 3:16) In a like manner he dwells in the King he made Lord over all things that are in heaven and on earth. Just as God dwells in those that believe through hi Spirit so does the human being that mediates between God and humanity dwell them as well. It is the unity of the Spirit written of in Ephesians 4:3.

    It is two individuals as Jesus his speaking to God, whom he elsewhere calls his Father and the Father of his brothers. An example is Frances Drake when speaking to Queen Elizabeth could have said “I will reveal your power that they may know you, the only true Queen, and Frances Drake whom you have sent.” If you doubt the example then please stop to notice that the experts, and you fellow Trinitarians, choose to make the clause “the only true God’ a description of the pronoun “you” by placing a comma before and after it.

    April 7, 2015 at 6:11 am#793038
    kerwin
    Participant

    DavidL,

    God is the A and the Z because he is both the first God and the Last God, the only God is the set. Jesus is the first and the last because he is the only Son in the set.

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