Man begats man, God begats …?

Is Jesus God himself because he came from the Father and has the same nature?

We know that God’s nature is divine.

For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

We also know that there is only one God and He is the Father. God is a HE, not THEM as the doctrine of the Trinity suggests. Let me explain.

Let’s look at this from a different perspective. Adam was the first man right? But did you know that the word for ‘man’ in Genesis is ‘adam’?

Technically speaking then, Eve is ‘adam’ but not ‘Adam’. It is written that God created man (adam) male and female. This means she is part of mankind, but is not Adam who was the first man. There is only one Adam. Well there are actually two now because Jesus became the new / second / final Adam.

So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

Back to divine nature now. Does having divine nature make you God? The answer is no if you look at the next scripture.

Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

Notice how we who are born from God have his nature, but we are obviously not God and never will be. Jesus said the following:

“And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent,”

Jesus acknowledges here indirectly that he is not the one true God. But we do know for sure that he is the son of that one true God though. Notice how he said that this truth is eternal life. It seems imperative then that we believe what he says if those words were eternal life. Further he said the following:

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.

So if we listen to Jesus, then we believe that he is the son of the one true God and not the one true God himself.

 

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    @nick

    Other men invented a theory that Jesus was a man created 2000 years ago as opposed to Jesus Christ coming in the flesh. They deny that he was born the messiah and the Lord.

    They also deny that he is the Word of God.

    They follow a created man apparently.

    #944598
    Nick
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    Hi PC,

    Jesus of Nazareth, the son of God and Mary, was anointed at the Jordan with the Holy Spirit and power and God did His miraculous works through him.

    Did you think he preexisted and God did not tell us?

    #944601
    carmel
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    Hi Nick,

    You: Did you think he preexisted and God did not tell us?

    He did tell us indirectly, 

    Hereunder are just a handful.

    Genesis 3:15And I will put ENMITY between thee and the woman,

    and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

    Isaiah 11:1 1AND there shall come forth a rod out of THE ROOT of Jesse, and a

    FLOWER shall rise up out of his ROOT.

    Rev. 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.

    I am the ROOT and the OFFSPRING of David,

    and the bright and MORNING STAR.

    Rev13:8 And all the dwell upon the earth adored him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb,

    which was slain from the beginning of the world.

    John 1:1IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God.

    3 All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made.

    Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16For in him were all things created in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominations, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him and in him. 

    17And he is before all, and by him all things consist. 

    John1:30 This is he, of whom I said: After me there cometh a man, who is preferred before me:

    because he was before me. 

    I ran out of time:

     

    Peace and love in Jesus Christ

    #944603
    Nick
    Participant

    Hi Carmel,

    We need to be reborn of the Spirit to attempt to grasp spiritual teachings.

    #944605
    Nick
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    Hi C,

    compare scripture with scripture.

    Compare Rev 13.8

    with

    Rev 17.8

    and you will see the meaning better.

    #944606
    Nick
    Participant

    Hi PC,

    I have no wish to attempt to grasp spiritual concepts using prehistoric tools like literalism and mere logic.

    Enjoy yourself.

    #944609
    GeneBalthrop
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    Carmel……Rev 22:16……> I Jesus have sent my angel/ “messenger” , that messenger was John, that testified unto the churches.  not some angelic being, but John who wrote down what he was shown and delivered it to the churches.

    peace and love to you and yours Carmel……….gene

    #946329
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    We need to be reborn of the Spirit to attempt to grasp spiritual teachings.

    Correct. The Spirit will not make us believe the opposite of what is written, like many do.

    Rebellious nature is an adversary of truth. Those caught up will even try and justify the lie.

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