Was God Manifest in the Flesh?

1 Timothy 3:16

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

This scripture infers that Jesus is God. Although you could argue that even we should manifest God in our lives knowing full well we are not God. Regardless, this verse is certainly a verse that Trinitarians use as a proof verse, and to the untrained eye, people may well accept that Jesus is God based on this verse alone.

But is this all there is to this matter.

Apparently this verse is controversial because most other translations do not say “God was manifest in the flesh”, rather they say “He was manifest in the flesh”.

So what is going on here. Why does the KJV say ‘God’ and most other translations say ‘He’?

I found this explanation in and thought it would be helpful to share it.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080728123800AALVzER

Thank you so much for this question. It is a very interesting one.

A few weeks ago, I inquired of a Greek translator who often posts on this site, asking him this very same thing. He kindly and carefully explained to me that, first off, one must understand the nomina sacra (sacred names). He explained that these are abbreviations, in early manuscripts, of certain names and titles. 

In ancient manuscripts 1 Timothy 3:16 had the word “os” which looks like: “OC” and means “he”. 

The nomina sacra of God looks like OC but it has a horizontal line through the middle of the O and a long horizontal line over both letters (as Abernathy, above, explained).

The Greek translator continues, and I quote: “In one old manuscript (Codex Alexandrinus) it seems to the nomina sacra, but an analysis of the manuscript demonstrated that the two horizontal lines were added centuries later. 

Many late manuscripts have the nomina sacra, but all manuscripts earlier than about 800AD have OC “He”

So “He was manifest in the flesh” is supported by all the most ancient manuscripts, “God was manifest in the flesh” has no attestation before 800 AD.”

End quote.

Hannah J Paul

 

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  • #805691
    kerwin
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    Nick,3

    I judge the words I write in order that they are not of the world.

    You judge them according to your standards.

    Beware less your standards are of the world.

    Why do you think the woman is not the word of God?

    #805692
    NickHassan
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    Hi KW,

    Your judgement is suspect.

    You happily add to and subtract from, and adapt what is written to fit your ideas.

     

    you seem to be servant of none.

    #805693
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    You did not answer my question. Does that mean your objections lack Scriptural support?

    #805694
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Why do you think she is?

    Does scripture say so?

    If not why are you sending me on a wild goose chase?

    #805695
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    You already know Jesus is the child of the word. Do you need Scripture to remind you?

    #805696
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    really?

    Is it written?

    #805697
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    You obvious do not believe it, so why would you believe it if were written?

    #805698
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Or is it just one of your ideas born of mysticism?

    #805699
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    Should we believe just when you say so without the need for scriptural proofs?

    #805700
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    I get irritated with your unrepentant heart as you already know it is written.

    I already quoted where Jesus acknowledges he is the child of the Wisdom of God.

    Do you think God’s Word is alien to his Wisdom?

    Here is another verse.

    John 1:12Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    12 But as many as received him [the word], to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his [God’s?] name:

    #805701
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Should we believe your objections without Scriptural proofs?

    #805702
    NickHassan
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    Hi KW,

    Where does scripture say that Jesus is a child of the Word?

    Jesus Christ is the word made flesh and a son of God.

    #805703
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    You expect those who find your wisdom a little thin to repent?

    You really have a high opinion of yourself

    #805704
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    ” Wisdom is justified of her children” does not relate to what you think.

    It means the ways of God are proven by their fruitful outcomes.

    #805705
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Hi KW,

    Where does scripture say that Jesus is a child of the Word?

    Jesus Christ is the word made flesh and a son of God.

    Same difference!

    #805706
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    ” Wisdom is justified of her children” does not relate to what you think.

    It means the ways of God are proven by their fruitful outcomes.

    Yes, and those that walk in the way of obey his word and so are the children of it.

    #805708
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    As usual close but not the same.

    Close enough is good enough fr you.

    #805709
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    You run both hot and cold.

    At times and places you attempt to understand Scripture but other times you do not.

    #805712
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    You do not speak the language of scripture which makes you hard to follow.

    #805745
    Proclaimer
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    Is this topic still about was God manifest in the flesh or has it degraded to a level similar to old ladies bickering?

    Cast your pride aside and love one another for love is evidence of the new birth. If you cannot love, then you cannot be born of God.

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