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  • March 5, 2015 at 7:55 am#789953
    DavidL
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    HERESIES – ANCIENT & MODERN

    by Selwyn Stevens “Fatal Faiths – The Cult Counterfeits of Christianity”

     

    Page 35. “Virtually all heresies with any relevance to Christianity relate to the nature of Jesus Christ, the personality of the Holy Spirit, or requirements for Salvation. Indeed the first four major Councils of the Christian Church were called together specifically to deal with the major heresies of their time.

     

    Let us look briefly at the major ones starting with those about the nature of Christ. There are three main streams of heretical thinking. Christians understand that the Bible shows Jesus as 100% God and also 100% man at the same time. One heretical stream denies the deity of Jesus; the second denies His humanity; while the third stream confuses His duel nature of both deity and humanity together. The issues are very important, so it isn’t a case of disputing over words, but these heresies strike at the very foundation of Christian beliefs. That may explain why these heresies are opposed so strongly by Bible-believing Christians.

     

    The Arian Heresy

    This belief is a denial of the eternalness or divinity of Jesus Christ, which was originally promoted by Arius of Alexandria. The council of Nicaea in 325 condemned this teaching as a heresy, primarily because Athanasius, also of Alexandria, was able to show from the Scriptures that Jesus was one substance with the Father so His divinity was beyond question. This view was later confirmed by the church Council of Constantinople in 381. The Arian heresy largely faded after that, but has resurfaced in recent times in cults such as the Unitarians, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Christadelphians, The Way International, Children of God, Theosophy and others.

    March 5, 2015 at 8:27 am#789959
    NickHassan
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    Hi Davidl,

    Jesus of Nazareth was anointed by God with the holy Spirit and power.

    The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.

    But the flesh contributes nothing.

     

    We men can follow such a man.

    March 5, 2015 at 8:49 am#789966
    NickHassan
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    Hi DavidL,

    Confused men would try to separate God from His own Spirit and call the Spirit another person.

    Shun such folly

     

    2Jn 9

    March 6, 2015 at 8:55 pm#790131
    DavidL
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    You know…theological arguments against the Trinity can sometimes seem quite convincing, but no matter how right they sound – the Godhead (Father, Son and Holy Spirit = One God) is simply a reality…a reality that we accept in our spirits by revelation when we are born again…and it’s not until some self-proclaimed teachers start twisting the Scriptures to say what they want it to say, that doubts begin to rise in peoples minds – the same way that the serpent’s reasoning made Eve begin to question God’s Word in the garden…

    Hear the Near Death Experience of a former atheist who encountered the reality of the Trinity – this is an awesome testimony that helps expose the fallacies of cult teachings found on this web site…

     

     

    March 6, 2015 at 9:41 pm#790138
    NickHassan
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    Hi Davidl,

    Should we not have serious doubts about teachings that cannot be found in the bible but only in the mouths of men?

    Whom are we following?

    March 6, 2015 at 9:52 pm#790139
    DavidL
    Participant

    “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.” – 2 Corinthians 11:3

     

    “Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient.” – Ephesians 5:6

     

    “Don’t let anyone capture you with empty philosophies [knowledge, or values, based on logical reasoning] and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ. For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body, and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;” – Colossians 2:9

     

    “speaking of these things in all of his letters. Some of his comments are hard to understand, and those who are ignorant and unstable have twisted his letters to mean something quite different, just as they do with other parts of Scripture. And this will result in their destruction.” – 2 Peter 3:16

     

    “I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book;and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.” – Revelation 22:18,19

    March 6, 2015 at 9:58 pm#790140
    DavidL
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    Yes Nick – we should have serious doubts about many things taught on this web site… because they stem from the MIND of man, and are contrary to the revealed truth of Scripture..

    March 6, 2015 at 10:12 pm#790141
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Davidl,

    You do think our understandings should come from the bible

    or not?

    March 6, 2015 at 10:13 pm#790142
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Davidl.

    Did any of the books of the OT teach a trinity?

    Did Jesus, or Paul or Peter etc?

     

    Then why would anyone defend it?

     

    March 6, 2015 at 10:14 pm#790143
    DavidL
    Participant

    don’t you know that every Christian cult bases their teaching on the Bible…?!

    March 6, 2015 at 10:15 pm#790144
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Davidl,

    Jesus taught a lot about his Father God and the work of His Spirit among men

    But he never claimed to be a god of any kind.

     

    Why would we choose to follow the teachings of another?

    March 6, 2015 at 10:17 pm#790145
    DavidL
    Participant

    Tell me Nick…what does it mean to you personally to be born again…?

    March 6, 2015 at 10:17 pm#790146
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Yes there are many false teachers and false prophets.

     

    Reason again to turn back to the revealed truth

    or are men too frightened of deception

    while they live under it?

    March 6, 2015 at 10:19 pm#790147
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Jesus taught about this in Jn3.

    Peter expounded the detail at Pentecost.

     

    Go and listen to them

    March 6, 2015 at 10:21 pm#790148
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    You say

    ..”and are contrary to the revealed truth of Scripture.”

    Then you should show us what scripture teaches about a trinity God.

    Inference is not useful so show us the plain teaching

    March 6, 2015 at 10:27 pm#790149
    DavidL
    Participant

    I have spent much time in the past debating this issue on this site – giving much Scripture reference…but it’s pointless trying to communicate spiritual realities with people if they are not born again…

    …so can I ask you again Nick – what does it mean to you personally to be born again…??

    March 6, 2015 at 10:43 pm#790150
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Just as soon as you answer my questions about the plain teaching you say you have found in the bible about a trinity god.

    March 6, 2015 at 10:44 pm#790151
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    psst

    There is NONE.

    March 6, 2015 at 10:57 pm#790152
    DavidL
    Participant

    Surely you must know that John declares the Word was God…?!

     

    Thomas worships Jesus calling Him both Lord and God..?!

     

    Jesus declares He and the Father are ONE..?!

     

    All these are the plain Scriptures without any human reasoning applied to them in an effort to change their meaning…but the more you look, the more you find the trinity embedded throughout the whole Bible right from Genesis I…”Let us make man in our image..” etc, etc, etc…

     

    But really Nick if you are not born again I can only expect that you will just come up with all the old arguments so often found on this site…

    March 7, 2015 at 6:15 am#790161
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Jesus testifies that the one he calls God is the ONLY TRUE GOD. Do you believe it when Jesus calls “the father” The ONLY TRUE GOD? If you do believe what Jesus said wouldn’t that make Jesus and every other being anything else but God?

    Secondly you mention Thomas calling Jesus “God” what you did not manage to notice was no one else responded that way at the time so wouldn’t be possible for Thomas to say that because what he witnessed was astonishing sort of like when the viper bit paul: Acts 28:6 The people expected him to swell up or suddenly fall dead; but after waiting a long time and seeing nothing unusual happen to him, they changed their minds and said he was a god.

    Now you would easily agree that Paul was not/is not a god, am i right? now if it was a well known fact to his disciples that Jesus was “God” why would they then declare Acts 2:22 “Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.

    Now we are not talking about a moment of surprise we are talking about an actual prepared statement in front of everyone and yet they make it ABSOLUTELY clear that this was a MAN.

    Now as far a John 1:1 you seem to make the most common mistake of all which is to allow this chapter to coincide somehow with Genesis simply because it says “In the beginning” but what you misunderstand is John is talking about the beginning of his Gospel and we can know this because he says and the Word became Flesh, if this was “The beginning” in context to Genesis that Flesh would have been Adam but the fact is “In the beginning” of the Gospel Mary is told that she will be with child and God made this possible simply by command(without intercourse or help of any kind) so the Word did become Flesh at that time not at the beginning of time since at mans beginning the breath of God was breathed in him and not by command.

    Jesus said the Father and I are one but he also said John 14:20 At that day you shall know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you.

    That would make everyone God by your logic otherwise me and my Father are one is a statement of Unity not divinity

    and Finally keep this in mind: Matthew 12:32
    Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

    again if your logic holds true about a trinity it allows for the Trinity God to be blasphemed because this is a paradox, Jesus who you say is 1 part of the trinity declares he is allowed to be blasphemed but the Holy Spirit which is 1 part cannot be blasphemed

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