Matthew 13:47-50

Lake Wakatipu Queenstown New Zealand

“Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish.  When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away.  This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous  and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Lake Wakatipu, Queenstown, New Zealand.

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  • #801404
    kerwin
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    terraricca,

    I am connecting the words of John 3:19-21 because I find those passages just as easy to understand and they are linked to it.

    Jesus speaks the word and in the word is the life of men but those that love darkness do not understand and reject it making up their own doctrine as a result of their lack of understanding. Jesus does not lie so those that hunger and thirst for righteousness will come to be like God in true righteousness and holiness and God does not sin.

    If you love just one sin then you do not want to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.

    #801407
    NickHassan
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    Hi KW,

    The Spirit of holiness transforms those reborn from above.

    It is not by their efforts to be sinless.

    #801412
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    There are efforts but those efforts also come from God.

    #801413
    terraricca
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    kw

    Jesus does not lie so those that hunger and thirst for righteousness will come to be like God in true righteousness and holiness and God does not sin.

    any scriptures to back this up, since you do not want to answer my question answer yours

    #801414
    kerwin
    Participant

    terraricca,

    Could you rephrase your question and place a number by it so perhaps I will understand it since I have answered your questions as far as I understand them. Thank you.

    Matthew 5:6 and Ephesians 4:24.

    #801415
    NickHassan
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    Hi KW,

    So you say.

    #801416
    kerwin
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    Nick,

    Or you could believe James when he says faith without works is dead. The works are the fruit of the Spirit and those efforts it takes to get the Spirit.

    #801417
    NickHassan
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    Hi KW,

    Those works do not include efforts to save yourself.

    All is grace .

    #801418
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Is James wrong that faith without works is dead?

    #801420
    NickHassan
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    Hi KW,

    Of course not.

    But men cannot let go and let God.

    The works James speaks of are towards others not towards self.

     

    If we could save ourselves we could boast but God is salvation.

    #801421
    kerwin
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    Nick,

    I am not sure what you mean by “The works James speaks of are towards others not towards self” though I already pointed out that the works as well as the faith are a gift from God.

    #801422
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi KW,

    It is required that we make a fundamental change.

    If we are appointed and anointed to work for God our vision is of helping others and letting God change us.

    #801423
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    The evidence of that change is that our effort will be empowered by God and not of ourselves.

    #801429
    terraricca
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    kw

    my question to you is this ;any scriptures to back this up,

    for you say;Jesus does not lie so those that hunger and thirst for righteousness will come to be like God in true righteousness and holiness and God does not sin.

    so please answer the question

    #801448
    kerwin
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    terraricca,

    I already answered that by saying:

    Matthew 5:6 and Ephesians 4:24.

    Matthew 5:6 is the promise those who deeply desire to be righteous like God is righteous will be filled with that righteousness.

    Ephesians teaches that those that put on the new man you are filled with that righteousness.

    If you lack faith that God does not sin there is a passage for that too.

    #801453
    NickHassan
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    Hi KW,

    Do you think the righteousness of God is BECAUSE God does not sin?

    You think righteousness is the absence of a negative??

    Your god is rather too small.

    #801458
    kerwin
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    Nick

    Stop trying to redefine words to excuse your sins. There is no excuse for them.

    Do not be deceived he that does right is righteous and he that sins does not do right. (1 John 3:7)

    Do you not believe that Jesus told the truth when he proclaimed anyone who sins is a servant of sin and that the Son sets those that believe truly free.(John 8:31-36)

    #801459
    NickHassan
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    hi KW,

    Be free of the delusion that righteousness is just sinlessness.

    The righteousness of God is not defined in such crude terms.

    Jn 16.8f

     

     

    #801461
    NickHassan
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    Hi KW,

    Christ is the end of the law for righteousness. rom10

    We cannot have a righteousness of our own. phil3

     

    Either we are reborn into Christ and covered with his robe of righteousness or we are following vanity.

    #801462
    kerwin
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    Nick,

    I realize those who do not come out into the light do not come out because their deeds are evil. All sin is evil and all evil is sin. In the light their is no sin for it is written “Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.” (1 John 3:6)

    You either believe John’s words or you do not.

    The new man lives by the Spirit and so does not sin. He is Spiritual a servant of righteousness.

    It is the old man that lives by the flesh and sins. He is carnal, a servant of sin.

    1 Corinthians 3:1Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

    3 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

    His hearers are infants because they are still living according to the flesh and not according to the Spirit though they have received it. Their fruits are like those unbelievers. They have not become adults by obtaining the fullness of Christ(Ephesians 4:13)

    John is not wrong when he states those do right are righteous and he does not disagree with Paul.

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