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Matthew 13:47-50

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Lake Wakatipu Queenstown New Zealand

“Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish.  When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away.  This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous  and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Lake Wakatipu, Queenstown, New Zealand.

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  • January 27, 2016 at 1:55 pm#807960
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    Hi t8,

    The Spirit of Christ proceeded forth and came from God. jn8.42

    If you knew the voice of the Spirit you would know this.

    Well I agree that all spirits come from the Father who is God. Thus by your own testimony then, I know the voice of the Spirit.

    However. the scripture you quote are the words of Jesus. And you believe he is the flesh and flesh counts for nothing.

    John 8:42
    Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me.

    You underestimate Jesus. Notice he says “I” have come from God.

    Did Jesus come from God, Nick?

    Yes/No

    January 27, 2016 at 2:31 pm#807964
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    @NickHassan

    So tell us when Jesus was anointed prior to the Jordan.

    Show us the evidence of that anointing as an infant and in the first 30 years of his life.

    If you deny the ANOINTING at the Jordan perhaps you are the one clinging to antichrist teaching?

    First off, no one is denying the spirit coming on Jesus at the Jordan. That is the first mistake you make here.

    Secondly, he was born the Christ.

    You see, John was the “voice crying in the wilderness” prophesied by Isaiah. He called people to repentance in preparation for their Messiah. John was perplexed as to why the sinless lamb of God would need the baptism of repentance. But this was done for at least two reasons. One is it showed that Jesus identified with sinners and approved of John’s baptism of repentance, thus he gave us an example to follow, that indeed we need to repent before being baptized in the Holy Spirit. The other is that it fulfilled the Word of God and proclaimed him publicly as the messiah and son of God because the spirit coming upon Jesus was a sign. A sign for who? For John, who the people held as a prophet.

    John 1:33-34
    And I myself did not know him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is the one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’ I myself have seen, and have testified that this is the Son of God.”

    Isaiah 61:1
    The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners,

    Matthew 12:18
    “Here is my servant whom I have chosen, the one I love, in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will proclaim justice to the nations.

    Luke 4:18
    “The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free,

    Isaiah 42:1
    “Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will bring justice to the nations. 

    You see Nick, you think that he became the Christ or the son of God at Jordan when in actual fact, he was publicly proclaimed as the messiah and son of God at The Jordan, thus the start of his ministry as the proclaimed messiah begun. Before this proclamation, it is not true to say that he wasn’t the Christ or anointed one. He was, but in the right time, he was publicly proclaimed the Christ so that his ministry as Christ could start.

    Matthew 1:18
    Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: when His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit.

    Notice that Jesus Christ was born in a manger. Not born at the Jordan as you teach.

    Nick, the antichrist spirit and the liar is the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ?. Clearly you deny that Jesus was and is the Christ. You say that Jesus Christ is the Christ, but that Jesus was not the Christ.

    And why was he called Jesus Christ after his baptism?, because he was recognised as the Christ. Before that, he was recognised as Jesus of Nazareth. Remember that he was born Jesus Christ at his birth though.

    January 27, 2016 at 4:05 pm#807976
    terraricca
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    t8

    very good scriptures but you can also add this one ;Lk 2:25 Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him.
    Lk 2:26 It had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not die before he had seen the Lord’s Christ.

    January 27, 2016 at 9:12 pm#807993
    NickHassan
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    Hi t8,

    So you believe he had always been anointed and at the Jordan the Holy Spirit came down on him only as the signal to him to start work. He had now been RECOGNISED AS THE CHRIST

     

    An interesting fable.

    So even though he had not yet been named, Jesus Christ was born.

    Does that not give you the proof that it was prophetic?

     

    Did Jesus come from God?

    Yes as any man does, a son of Adam, conceived in Mary and born of her.

     

    Do you realise by attributing the Words of The Spirit to the human vessel you are seriously distorting the message?

    January 27, 2016 at 11:06 pm#808001
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    t8

    very good scriptures but you can also add this one ;Lk 2:25 Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him.
    Lk 2:26 It had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not die before he had seen the Lord’s Christ.

    Good one Terr.

    January 27, 2016 at 11:07 pm#808002
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    Nick, where was Jesus Christ born?

    In a manger?

    At the Jordan?

    Where?

    January 28, 2016 at 12:32 am#808012
    NickHassan
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    Hi t8,

    Yes those who had the Holy Spirit could recognise the Christ from birth.

    Jesus was born at Bethlehem and reborn from above at the Jordan of the Holy Spirit.

    Surely you know this because he said you must be born again of water and the Spirit and we follow him.

    January 28, 2016 at 9:41 am#808039
    terraricca
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    man ho man ,refusal to get free water from scriptures deny all the scriptures and so chose to be a antichrist

    January 28, 2016 at 11:45 am#808051
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    Yes Terr. The Antichrist spirit gives itself away by denying that Jesus Christ came in the flesh.

    January 28, 2016 at 11:48 am#808053
    Proclaimer
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    Jesus Christ was born as a baby like us. We cannot deny him as Christ at any point.

    January 28, 2016 at 11:49 am#808054
    Proclaimer
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    Hi t8,

    Yes those who had the Holy Spirit could recognise the Christ from birth.

    Jesus was born at Bethlehem and reborn from above at the Jordan of the Holy Spirit.

    Surely you know this because he said you must be born again of water and the Spirit and we follow him.

    I don’t think we should make Jesus experience match ours. Rather he is greater than us, and we follow him, but we cannot follow him in all respects.

    We for example, did not exist in the form of God, empty ourselves, and come in the flesh. We are not sinless. And when we stand in Heaven with God, it is not the same glory that we had with him before the cosmos. If the same as Jesus Christ in these respects, then we pre-existed.

    But yes, Jesus was baptized with a baptism of repentance when he didn’t need to repent as he was spotless. But we have to follow him here. It is imperative that we repent before we can receive the Spirit of God. He certainly set the example for us by demonstration.

    January 28, 2016 at 2:47 pm#808083
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T8,

    You say we cannot follow him in all respects?

    Why do you put stumbling stones before people?

    Adding a new doctrine of pre-existence does that.

    January 28, 2016 at 2:50 pm#808084
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    The whole gospel message is that there is a way of salvation for any man and that way is in being reborn into him and walking as he did.

    You say it is not possible because of head start you want to say he had?

     

    January 28, 2016 at 2:59 pm#808085
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    We can partake in the same Spirit that he had

    The Word that was with God and was God

    January 29, 2016 at 9:02 pm#808132
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Christ men’s anointed and messiah.

    If he was born anointed where is the record of that.

    And was he anointed twice.

     

    I remember you said the anointing at the Jordan was just the opportunity to go public about it.

    This is false teaching to deny the Holy Spirit.

    January 29, 2016 at 9:05 pm#808133
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Do you agree that the powers and teaching Jesus gave were all the result of the Holy Spirit in him?

    Or do you think they were his own work?

     

    Did flesh contribute anything?

    January 31, 2016 at 1:37 pm#808220
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    You say we cannot follow him in all respects?

    Probably better if I said that we cannot be like him in all respects. Yes we are encouraged to be like him, but we will never be equal to him as he is the head and we are not.

    January 31, 2016 at 1:47 pm#808222
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    I remember you said the anointing at the Jordan was just the opportunity to go public about it.

    This is false teaching to deny the Holy Spirit.

    You are mistaken Nick. It is not good to come to erroneous conclusions. Once you can forgive and even a few times. But when it is a pattern, it is probably time to change the habit.

    What I said was exactly what is written in scripture. That is, John was told that whoever had the Spirit come upon him, that he would be the one. And John’s ministry was to prepare the way for the one. Thus, it became public that Jesus was the anointed one of God and his ministry started at that time. Read for yourself. When you tell me I am in error, you are actually saying the one who inspired and the one who wrote this is in error.

    John testified saying, “I have seen the Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven, and He remained upon Him. “I did not recognize Him, but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, ‘He upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, this is the One who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.’ “I myself have seen, and have testified that this is the Son of God.”

    So here we see that after this happened, it then became public knowledge that Jesus was the one. Also notice that the conclusion here was that Jesus was the son of God, and that he was the son of God before baptism. So there is recognition going on here from this sign. It actually does not say that he became the Christ at this point and wasn’t before. That is your addition to the event.

     

    January 31, 2016 at 1:59 pm#808223
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    Hi t8,

    Do you agree that the powers and teaching Jesus gave were all the result of the Holy Spirit in him?

    Or do you think they were his own work?

    Did flesh contribute anything?

    Jesus did what the Father did and said what the Father said. He came in his Father’s name, not his own. So yes, Jesus represented his Father perfectly.

    But you say that Jesus was not the Christ before baptism. So then you must believe that Jesus did not do what God wanted him to do before that point because according to you, he had not the spirit yet, but was just flesh which accounts for nothing. In other words you teach that Jesus is nothing. And Jesus Christ is who we follow. Thus, Jesus is just a man, but was chosen later.

    But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. for the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please.… 

    By extension of the enmity of the flesh and spirit you must believe that Jesus walked after the flesh and was not to be trusted, until the baptism when God’s Spirit entered him, and only then was he trusted because of the spirit on/in him. Before that no, because he was just flesh. What other conclusion can we draw from what you are teaching here?.

    However, Jesus Christ was born in a manger. Notice the full title here Nick. It doesn’t sit with your view. He was recognised after the baptism as the son of God and the messiah. You can clearly read that in scripture. Before the baptism people might have had their suspicions, but the sign was that whoever the spirit resides on is the one. Thus he was recognized as the one.

    So now back to your erroneous conclusion.

    I remember you said the anointing at the Jordan was just the opportunity to go public about it.

    Take out the word ‘just’ and you have a more accurate view of what I said. And as you can see, it certainly was the opportunity that made Jesus identity public, even if it was only a few member of the public at the time.

    January 31, 2016 at 5:51 pm#808237
    NickHassan
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    Hi t8,

    You did not answer the question so to ask again.

    Were the works done by Jesus, or the Spirit of God in him?

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