Matthew 13:47-50

Lake Wakatipu Queenstown New Zealand

“Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish.  When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away.  This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous  and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Lake Wakatipu, Queenstown, New Zealand.

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  • #807407
    Proclaimer
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    Hi t8,

    You misquote scriptures such as Phil 2.

    Actually I quote it. I believe it the way it is written and teach it that way too.

    6 Who, being in very nature God,
        did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
    7 rather, he made himself nothing
        by taking the very nature of a servant,
        being made in human likeness.
    8 And being found in appearance as a man,
        he humbled himself
        by becoming obedient to death—
            even death on a cross!

    I believe all of it. I do not need to change one word of it.

    But even on this one point, you do not believe.

    Who, being in very nature God

    Another translation says:

    who, though he was in the form of God,

    It seems you do not believe either translation Nick.

    Do you believe that Jesus existed in the form of God or in very nature God?

    From what you teach, the answer seems to be no. Jesus is just a flesh being to you.

    Please explain to me how he was in the form of God in your view?

     

    #807409
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    You omitted the words CHRIST JESUS.

    Do you not grasp that the Word was made flesh?

    A body was prepared for the anointing.

    #807410
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Not true Nick. Rather, Christ Jesus is not mentioned in the part of I quoted. I quoted it exactly as it is written in that translation.

    But yes, if I go back one more verse we see it is referring to Christ Jesus.

    Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

    Nick, perhaps you didn’t realize. Jesus is the Christ. Most people think Christ when you mention Jesus.

    You seem to teach that Jesus was not the Christ for part of his life. I think this is false teaching Nick.

    For example, you deny Luke’s testimony in Luke 2:11.

    Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord.

    Luke 2:26
    And it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord’s Christ.

    Look at the context Nick. Jesus was a baby.

    25 Now there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon, and this man was righteous and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him. 26 And it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord’s Christ. 27 And he came in the Spirit into the temple, and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him according to the custom of the Law, 28 he took him up in his arms and blessed God and said…

    With your idea that Jesus was not always Christ, you also deny Mathews testimony in Matt 2:4.

    When he had called together all the people’s chief priests and teachers of the law, he asked them where the Messiah was to be born. “In Bethlehem in Judea,” they replied, “for this is what the prophet has written:

    The messiah was born in Bethlehem, whereas you teach (I think) that he became messiah at his baptism and was only a good man before that.

    Anyway, I also hesitate in adding the following verse because I am not sure if this also predates when Jesus baptism took place and yet he is still called the Christ. I add it in case it is. The Book of John doesn’t place when the water baptism occurred rather John focuses on the fact that Jesus received the spirit and speaks of it in the past. (Even if the following verse happened after the baptism, I thought it good to keep it as I find it amazing that John doesn’t mention the water part of the baptism and focuses on Jesus receiving the Spirit and that Jesus would baptize with the Spirit.)

    John 1:40-42
    Andrew, Simon Peter’s brother, was one of the two who heard what John had said and who had followed Jesus. The first thing Andrew did was to find his brother Simon and tell him, “We have found the Messiah” (that is, the Christ). And he brought him to Jesus.

    Jesus looked at him and said, “You are Simon son of John. You will be called Cephas” (which, when translated, is Peter).

    #807413
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    Do you not recognise prophecy?

    If you think Jesus was born anointed you deny the truth of his anointing at the Jordan.

     

     

    #807477
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    The Spirit of Christ proceeded forth and came from God. jn8.42

    If you knew the voice of the Spirit you would know this.

     

    #807506
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t8,

    You say

    “You seem to teach that Jesus was not the Christ for part of his life. I think this is false teaching Nick.”

     

    So tell us when Jesus was anointed prior to the Jordan.

    Show us the evidence of that anointing as an infant and in the first 30 years of his life.

     

    If you deny the ANOINTING at the Jordan perhaps you are the one clinging to antichrist teaching?

    #807739
    terraricca
    Participant

    Nick
    Lk 1:31 You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus.
    Lk 1:32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David,
    Lk 1:33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end.”

    this also happen months before Jesus Came and start his ministry ;

    Mk 1:2 It is written in Isaiah the prophet:
    “I will send my messenger ahead of you,
    who will prepare your way”—
    Mk 1:3 “a voice of one calling in the desert,
    ‘Prepare the way for the Lord,
    make straight paths for him.’

    Jn 1:23 John replied in the words of Isaiah the prophet, “I am the voice of one calling in the desert, ‘Make straight the way for the Lord.’ ”

    Jn 1:25 questioned him, “Why then do you baptize if you are not the Christ, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?”
    Jn 1:26 “I baptize with water,” John replied, “but among you stands one you do not know.
    Jn 1:27 He is the one who comes after me, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie.”

    Jn 1:32 Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him.
    Jn 1:33 I would not have known him, except that the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’
    Jn 1:34 I have seen and I testify that this is the Son of God.”

    how many did see the spirit come down “NICK” ?

    #807768
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T,

    Yes he became the Christ, the Son of the Living God, at the Jordan

    #807769
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T,

    The Anointed one came after John.

    #807780
    terraricca
    Participant

    Nick

    NO,NO ,you have it wrong ;

    Lk 1:26 In the sixth month, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee,
    Lk 1:27 to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin’s name was Mary.
    Lk 1:28 The angel went to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.”
    Lk 1:29 Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be.
    Lk 1:30 But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God.
    Lk 1:31 You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus.
    Lk 1:32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David,
    Lk 1:33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end.”
    Lk 1:34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”
    Lk 1:35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.
    Lk 2:25 Now there was a man in Jerusalem called Simeon, who was righteous and devout. He was waiting for the consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him.
    Lk 2:26 It had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not die before he had seen the Lord’s Christ.
    Lk 2:27 Moved by the Spirit, he went into the temple courts. When the parents brought in the child Jesus to do for him what the custom of the Law required,

    the Jordan event was just to fulfilled the scriptures ;

    Mt 3:15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented

    believe the scriptures Nick they are the truth of God ,not your opinions

    #807784
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t,

    Did you miss all the prophecy in this?

    #807787
    terraricca
    Participant

    Nick

    Hi t,

    Did you miss all the prophecy in this?

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    this answer show that you are clueless to the truth in scriptures but that is doe to the fact that you follow opinions made by man and not the truth in scriptures

    I have given you all the prove from scriptures and yet deny it all by your stupid answer ,

    #807802
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t,

    your opinions are not truth.

    Dig deeper

    #807815
    terraricca
    Participant

    Nick

    Hi t,

    your opinions are not truth.

    Dig deeper

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    No,Nick there is no digging deeper ,you are not accepting the scriptures that will be your downfall

    #807906
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi t,

    You speak as if you know something but we never hear much of use.

    #807912
    terraricca
    Participant

    Nick
    Hi t,

    You speak as if you know something but we never hear much of use.
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    you are def and so cannot understand nor ear anything in the truth ,you have thrown the bible through the window and kissed religion doctrines in stead ,

    you still stuck on baby food in your old age

    #807913
    terraricca
    Participant

    Nick
    Hi t,

    You speak as if you know something but we never hear much of use.
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    you are def and so cannot understand nor hear anything in the truth ,you have thrown the bible through the window and kissed religion doctrines in stead ,

    you still stuck on baby food in your old age

    #807928
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T,

    Expert only in mocking and bullying you never seem to be able to build anything useful.

    You need some sort of positivity to do so and you lack it.

    #807950
    terraricca
    Participant

    Nick

    1CO 15:34 Become sober-minded as you ought, and stop sinning; for some have no knowledge of God. I speak this to your shame.

    #807953
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi T,

    More judgement and condemnation to spread around?

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