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Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

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  • July 24, 2012 at 3:19 am#306848
    terraricca
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    colter

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    You who reject the UB because you are forbidden from using your own common sense think that what you are doing is defending God.

    Colter

    :laugh: you are one of a kind;you use the UB because you do not have common sense ,anything outside of you does not exist ,ego,ego,and ego ,like Mormon,and Islam with the Koran,

    can not take the humility of Christ ,just like the Jews of Christ time their interest first the rest to hell or subdued

    September 21, 2012 at 5:19 am#313645
    Ed J
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    Hi Jammin,

    John 17:3 αυτη δε εστιν η αιωνιος ζωη ινα γινωσκωσιν σε τον μονον αληθινον θεον και ον απεστειλας ιησουν χριστον.
    John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    February 11, 2013 at 7:14 pm#333166
    carmel
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    mikeboll64,July wrote:

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    God can raise up children for Abraham out of stones, Charles.  But that wouldn't mean those He raised up out of stones have existed from eternity –

    Mike,

    Most probably it seems you are DRUNK!

    Those who are raised up out of stones are created FROM THAT PARTICULAR DAY!

    Jesus was in the Father's bosom from eternity,not out of stones!

    Peace and love in Jesus

    Charles

    February 11, 2013 at 7:28 pm#333167
    Ed J
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    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 21 2012,16:19)
    Hi Jammin,

    John 17:3 αυτη δε εστιν η αιωνιος ζωη ινα γινωσκωσιν σε τον μονον αληθινον θεον και ον απεστειλας ιησουν χριστον.
    John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Hi Jammin,

    Who's “the only true God” in this verse?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    February 12, 2013 at 1:27 am#335298
    jammin
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    is that the only verse of the bible boy?

    February 12, 2013 at 3:15 am#335307
    Lightenup
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    Jammin hang in there. It's crazy how people can read that Jesus is called God even by the Father yet they can't call Him that themselves. Unity is not something they seem to understand. It takes balls to do what you do! Go Jammin!!

    How hard is it to say that Jesus is our God with God and they are one??

    February 12, 2013 at 3:49 am#335318
    Proclaimer
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    If you want to grow some balls, then be brave and call angels and judges gods too. Don't cherry pick things to suit your doctrines. Just be honest up front and say truth no matter what. That is how you transform yourself. But when we are self-absorbed we are not free like a child to speak the truth, but are careful about keeping our credibility intact in the eyes of men.

    Theos and Elohim is used of God, Jesus, Judges, Angels, Satan, and earthquakes. So go for it. Stop giving half-truths which is what Satan also does.

    February 12, 2013 at 4:16 am#335321
    Lightenup
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    Can you say this t8:

    Jesus is our God with God and they are one??

    I can't say the same for judges, angels, satan and earthquakes because I don't believe any of them are MY God.

    February 12, 2013 at 4:26 am#335325
    Proclaimer
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    Well there is your bias right there.

    Worship God all you gods.
    Ye are gods, you are all SONS of the Most High.

    So yes, if sons of God can be theos, then how much more is Jesus theos.

    So long as you have the correct meaning, then I can say it.
    However, my guess is that you have a different meaning and thus I have to disagree with your meaning as it is too tainted for me to concur with.

    February 12, 2013 at 4:33 am#335327
    Lightenup
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    t8,
    Honestly didn't think you could do it but you have proved me wrong.

    That is great that you can say “Jesus is our God with God and they are one.”

    BTW, that means that two Gods are one. :;):

    February 12, 2013 at 4:36 am#335328
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    Yes that is right. I am not willing to concur with your meaning.
    That is why you knew I couldn't do it because I have yet to concur with your understanding of theos. So why would I agree with you now.

    Not hard to understand why is it. Just being wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove. We need to tread carefully among those who place thorns on the ground.

    February 12, 2013 at 4:37 am#335329
    Proclaimer
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    LU, is Jesus the true God in 1 john 5.20?

    February 12, 2013 at 4:55 am#335336
    Lightenup
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    Quote (t8 @ Feb. 11 2013,22:36)
    Yes that is right. I am not willing to concur with your meaning.
    That is why you knew I couldn't do it because I have yet to concur with your understanding of theos. So why would I agree with you now.

    Not hard to understand why is it. Just being wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove. We need to tread carefully among those who place thorns on the ground.


    But you said that you could say that. You are reading too much into it and not keeping it simple. Don't assume what I might be meaning.

    Say it like a child would say it.

    Jesus is our God with God and they are one.

    Obviously that says two Gods are one. A child can see this.
    Be wise enough to accept this simple truth. It is harmless as a dove. I don't see any thorns.

    February 12, 2013 at 5:21 am#335338
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    Yes I can say it. But it likely would not mean what you want it to mean.

    So yes I can say it. If I was with like minded people I could. But in your company and Trinitarians, they would get the wrong end of the stick.

    February 12, 2013 at 5:23 am#335339
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    Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 12 2013,17:16)
    Can you say this t8:

    Jesus is our God with God and they are one??

    I can't say the same for judges, angels, satan and earthquakes because I don't believe any of them are MY God.


    But they all have theos and/or elohim applied to them in a legitimate way. So you lack a complete understanding of these words. This is only adds to your confusion.

    February 12, 2013 at 5:46 am#335340
    Lightenup
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    Quote (t8 @ Feb. 11 2013,22:37)
    LU, is Jesus the true God in 1 john 5.20?


    t8,
    According to this verse:

    1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him (the Father) who is true; and we are in Him (the Father) who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

    I think that the first and second 'Him' here would be the Father.

    I understand this passage like this:

    true God + eternal life (for us)=us in Christ who is in the Father

    Apart from being in Christ, there is no eternal life for us in the true God the Father. They Father and the Son are interdependent in bringing us eternal life. Neither one is alone in doing this.

    That seems to be the thrust of the passage and the rest of the chapter. We NEED to be IN Christ.

    February 12, 2013 at 5:50 am#335341
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    Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 12 2013,18:46)
    1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him (the Father) who is true; and we are in Him (the Father) who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.


    Okay. I thought I agreed, but I think you are actually merging the two as the ONE true God.

    If that is the case, then The Father and son have a son called Jesus. That is the original Jesus and his son.

    Obviously you are barking up the wrong tree if you make them both the true God because the true God has a son called Jesus.

    February 12, 2013 at 5:55 am#335342
    Lightenup
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    Quote (t8 @ Feb. 11 2013,23:21)
    Yes I can say it. But it likely would not mean what you want it to mean.

    So yes I can say it. If I was with like minded people I could. But in your company and Trinitarians, they would get the wrong end of the stick.


    t8,
    Perhaps most members in the Believer's section could say that too. However, when you get down to it, no one would be completely like minded. Not even you, Mike and Pierre.

    How could we all understand this completely. Who can explain what elohim or theos means with complete and perfect understanding? I dare say…no one.

    If 100 people polled could say that, I would bet that you would get 100 different understandings…some more similar than others.

    February 12, 2013 at 5:58 am#335343
    Lightenup
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    Quote (t8 @ Feb. 11 2013,23:50)

    Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 12 2013,18:46)
    1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him (the Father) who is true; and we are in Him (the Father) who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.


    Okay. I thought I agreed, but I think you are actually merging the two as the ONE true God.

    If that is the case, then The Father and son have a son called Jesus. That is the original Jesus and his son.

    Obviously you are barking up the wrong tree if you make them both the true God because the true God has a son called Jesus.


    I am not making them both true God. I am however saying that the true God is interdependent with the Son, the only begotten God in regards to eternal life.

    February 12, 2013 at 5:59 am#335344
    Lightenup
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    Quote (t8 @ Feb. 11 2013,23:23)

    Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 12 2013,17:16)
    Can you say this t8:

    Jesus is our God with God and they are one??

    I can't say the same for judges, angels, satan and earthquakes because I don't believe any of them are MY God.


    But they all have theos and/or elohim applied to them in a legitimate way. So you lack a complete understanding of these words. This is only adds to your confusion.


    No human has a COMPLETE understanding of those words, t8, I'm quite sure.

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