Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

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Ed, according to JAMMIN'S logic (not mine!) Jesus is Michael the Archangel,

because:

The Bible doesn't say “Jesus is NOT the Archangel.”

Do you understand Ed?

March 24, 2012 at 6:05 pm#287261

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 25 2012,04:44)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 24 2012,11:20)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 24 2012,10:27)

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 22 2012,23:00)

mike,

the father is called the true GOD
the son is also called the true GOD!

No he's not. In fact, it is the Son who actually calls his Father “the ONLY true God”.

Hi Mike,

Are you suggesting that Jesus is(?) a god who IS UNTRUE?
It is you who calls Jesus a god, correct? How does this add up?

God bless
Ed J

Ed,

I'll use David's words to answer your question:

“I actually know what the word 'god' means. It can be applied to more than the one true 'almighty' God, the Father.”

David was the King of Israel at the same time God was the “only true King of Israel”.

If you think this means David was an “untrue king”, or “no king at all”, then you have little comprehension on this issue.

Hi Mike,

So you answer is that the term “God” changes from time to time then? …but the term ONLY does not, did I get this right?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

March 24, 2012 at 6:07 pm#287262

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So you answer is that the term “God” changes from time to time then?

Where did he say that?

When moses was called “god” to Aaron, is that the Bible writers 'changing' the term? Or, does the meaning of “God” encompass all uses of it in the Bible?

March 24, 2012 at 6:08 pm#287263

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Quote (david @ Mar. 25 2012,04:47)

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I'll use David's words to answer your question:

“I actually know what the word 'god' means. It can be applied to more than the one true 'almighty' God, the Father.”

David was the King of Israel at the same time God was the “only true King of Israel”.

If you think this means David was an “untrue king”, or “no king at all”, then you have little comprehension on this issue.

HI MIKE.
All these David's are confusing. Question: Does the Bible say that God was the “only true king of Israel” anywhere? Or was that one of us that said it? I have a file I would like to add it to if it is in the Bible.

Hi David,

Good point! well, Mike?

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org

March 24, 2012 at 6:21 pm#287265

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“1 john 5.20. christ is not the true GOD?”

jammin seems to have abandoned speaking about 1 John 5:20 altogether. But it doesn't help that we have all these side discussions going, where no one on here seems to be discussing 1 John 5:20.

March 24, 2012 at 6:23 pm#287267

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Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 23 2012,02:59)

Hi David,

It is nice to see you willing ADMIT that there are others
that use Jammin's faulty logic when evaluating Scripture!

God bless
Ed J

Quote (david @ Mar. 25 2012,04:58)

1. Bible doesn't say: “Christ is NOT Michael the Archangel”

2. This therefore must be proof that Christ IS Michael.

(for Ed: I'm not using this as proof of Christ being Michael as you falsely stated, but pointing out what I believe everyone on the planet rightly sees as an absurdity in logical thinking.)

Quote (david @ Mar. 25 2012,04:45)

“Ed is smart, a true word smith,” does this mean that “word smith” is the definition of “smart”?

Hi David,

When I address a post to you and say:“there are others“,
do you then include yourself in the meaning of others?

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org

March 24, 2012 at 6:29 pm#287268

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Quote (david @ Mar. 25 2012,05:07)

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So you answer is that the term “God” changes from time to time then?

Where did he say that?

Hi David, (thanks for pointing this out!)

Sorry, it should be: So is your answer then that the term “God” changes from time to time?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

March 24, 2012 at 6:43 pm#287271

mikeboll64

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Ed,

I have explained this to you a number of different times in a number of different ways already.

We're off topic.

March 24, 2012 at 7:04 pm#287279

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When I address a post to you and say:”there are others”,
do you then include yourself in the meaning of others?

So, there was no direction towards me in that comment? And yet you felt you had to say:

“Hi David,
It is nice to see you willing ADMIT that there are others…”

I feel you often do this, you make it appear as if I am ADMITting something or that you just crushed some belief I have. I know of no one on the planet (other than Jammin) that would use that sort of logic–It doesn't say it isn't, so it is.

If you were not addressing the post to me, then why did you say: “Hi David.”? Once again, you seem to be insinuating that I do such things. It's so frustrating that I am the one pointing out the error and even show the obvious absurdity of it, but then you redirect it to me, as if I have ever made that error.

You often do such things Ed.

March 24, 2012 at 7:31 pm#287284

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Quote (david @ Mar. 25 2012,06:04)

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When I address a post to you and say:”there are others”,
do you then include yourself in the meaning of others?

So, there was no direction towards me in that comment? And yet you felt you had to say:

“Hi David,
It is nice to see you willing ADMIT that there are others…”

You often do such things Ed.

Hi David,

If you don't believe that Jesus was(?) Michael the Archangel,
as you have suggested, then you CANNOT be included in on “others”!

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org

March 25, 2012 at 1:38 am#287366

mikeboll64

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Ed,

It was clear to all of us (including you) that David was using an example to show how weak jammin's sole proof is.

It is also clear to all of us (including you) that you purposely took David's example and tried to make it seem as if David was really offering as proof the argument that since no scripture says Jesus is NOT Michael, then he must BE Michael.

I was going to say something when I first read your twisted post, but then I figured that we are all aware of the games you play here. I also figured David could handle himself.

I only make this post now to show that David is not alone in recognizing the twisted game you attempted to play with him.

March 25, 2012 at 3:08 am#287381

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 25 2012,12:38)

Ed,

It was clear to all of us (including you) that David was using an example to show how weak jammin's sole proof is.

I was going to say something when I first read your twisted post, but then I figured that we are all aware of the games you play here. I also figured David could handle himself.

I only make this post now to show that David is not alone in recognizing the twisted game you attempted to play with him.

Hi Mike,

There are no verses that say Jesus is(?) the word,
yet you hold to it simply because there are no verses
that say he is not; so I do understand your sensitivity.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

March 25, 2012 at 4:29 am#287391

Participant

Hi Mike,

If there was a verse that said: “Jesus is not the word” you
would stop believing that, right? Then you see my point!

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

March 25, 2012 at 4:34 am#287392

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Hi Mike,

When you 'accuse' someone of doing something wrong,
know you facts before you start pointing the finger.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

March 25, 2012 at 4:37 am#287393

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Quote (david @ Mar. 25 2012,05:04)

Ed, according to JAMMIN'S logic (not mine!) Jesus is Michael the Archangel,

because:

The Bible doesn't say “Jesus is NOT the Archangel.”

Do you understand Ed?

michael is not the topic here david. make your own thread. and i can prove that to you that the jesus is not the archangel.

better luck next time boy.
study hard

March 25, 2012 at 4:38 am#287394

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Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 25 2012,14:08)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 25 2012,12:38)

Ed,

It was clear to all of us (including you) that David was using an example to show how weak jammin's sole proof is.

I was going to say something when I first read your twisted post, but then I figured that we are all aware of the games you play here. I also figured David could handle himself.

I only make this post now to show that David is not alone in recognizing the twisted game you attempted to play with him.

Hi Mike,

There are no verses that say Jesus is(?) the word,
yet you hold to it simply because there are no verses
that say he is not; so I do understand your sensitivity.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

you are dreaming boy
there is a verse that Christ is the WORD.

but that cant be given to a pig
btter luck next time.

March 25, 2012 at 4:38 am#287395

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Hi Mike,

You had incorrectly believed that giving a scenario
somehow proved your belief to be correct. your
confusion is evident to all who know the truth.

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org

March 25, 2012 at 4:40 am#287396

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Quote (jammin @ Mar. 25 2012,15:38)

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 25 2012,14:08)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 25 2012,12:38)

Ed,

It was clear to all of us (including you) that David was using an example to show how weak jammin's sole proof is.

I was going to say something when I first read your twisted post, but then I figured that we are all aware of the games you play here. I also figured David could handle himself.

I only make this post now to show that David is not alone in recognizing the twisted game you attempted to play with him.

Hi Mike,

There are no verses that say Jesus is(?) the word,
yet you hold to it simply because there are no verses
that say he is not; so I do understand your sensitivity.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

you are dreaming boy
there is a verse that Christ is the WORD.

but that cant be given to a pig
btter luck next time.

Hi Jammin,

Where? …post it.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

March 25, 2012 at 4:40 am#287397

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Quote (david @ Mar. 25 2012,04:51)

Why does Jammin keep ignoring 1 John 5:20? Isn't that what this discussion is about?

that is the true meaning of 1 john 5.20

john said that Christ is the true GOD.

your opinion will always be an opinion.

until now you cant even read any single verse that Christ is not called the true GOD.

study hard boy

March 25, 2012 at 4:47 am#287399