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Does 1 John 5:20 call Jesus the true God?

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  • March 22, 2012 at 9:51 am#286775
    jammin
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    archangel is not the topic here david,

    make your own thread.

    now read to me anywhere in the bible that says Christ is not truly GOD!

    if you can read any single verse then ill quit.

    but if you cant read any single verse, and i will read to you that Christ is truly GOD, will you accpt that you are a false teacher?

    pls answer yes or no/.

    March 22, 2012 at 3:59 pm#286790
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (david @ Mar. 22 2012,17:52)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 22 2012,05:14)
    Hi Jammin,
    There are NO VERSES that say that Adam, Cyrus or Elizabeth ARE NOT GOD.
    Does such thinking lead to progress?


    “nick,

    the topic here is Christ not Adam etc.”

    Ok, JAMMIN,
    then can you give me a scripture that says: “CHRIST is not Michael the Archangel”?

    I guess Christ IS Michael the Archangel because try as you might, you simply can't find a scripture that says he is not.

    Go ahead.  Check every Bible!  I dare you to find a verse in any Bible in the world that says: “christ is not Michael the Archangel.”

    So there you have it.  I have just ended the years of debate over whether Christ is Michael the archangel.  We can finally end those 7 threads.  Great….unless anyone can find a verse that says: “Christ is NOT Michael the archangel.”?  

    I'll wait.  Find the verse.  I double dare you.  And before you start saying how crazy that is, or saying that Jesus isn't an angel, note that I am proving this the same way you seem to be proving that Christ is the true God–because the Bible doesn't say he isn't.  Same logic.  Same bizarre, twisted, false logic.  

    If you can't find such a verse, then I have to assume by now that you believe that Jesus is indeed Michael the archangel.


    Hi David,

    It is nice to see you willing ADMIT that there are others
    that use Jammin's faulty logic when evaluating Scripture!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    March 22, 2012 at 4:00 pm#286791
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (david @ Mar. 22 2012,17:22)
    the truth is, if I say: “Ed is smart, a true word smith,” it doesn't mean that “smart” means 'word smith.”


    Hi David,

    Thank you!

    Your brother
    in Christ, Jesus.
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    holycitybiblecode.org

    March 23, 2012 at 12:12 am#286891
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    The answer to who the true God is in 1 John 5:20 is the same as the answer to the following question:

    Who has a Son named Jesus Christ?

    We are in Him who is true [and] in His Son…………..

    March 23, 2012 at 5:00 am#286983
    jammin
    Participant

    mike,

    the father is called the true GOD
    the son is also called the true GOD!

    that's what the bible says

    better luck next time

    March 23, 2012 at 5:39 am#287004
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    So one and one make two?or one

    March 23, 2012 at 7:03 am#287026
    jammin
    Participant

    2 in persons but one in nature, GOD

    exmple, you and your father are 2 persons. but you have the same nature, MAN.

    March 23, 2012 at 7:28 am#287028
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 23 2012,18:03)
    2 in persons but one in nature, GOD

    exmple, you and your father are 2 persons. but you have the same nature, MAN.


    Hi Jammin,

    Do we become God too, when we get the divine nature?
    “partakers of the divine nature” (2 Peter 1:4)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    March 23, 2012 at 7:50 am#287029
    jammin
    Participant

    you are not “GOD”
    the verse says Through these promises you will share in the divine nature

    that is not really your nature, the verse says “you will share [/b]in the divine nature “

    Christ has that nature! he is really GOD!
    Philippians 2:6

    (NLT)

    6 Though he was God,
    he did not think of equality with God
    as something to cling to.

    now read well my post
    2 in persons but one in nature, GOD

    exmple, you and your father are 2 persons. but you have the same nature, MAN.

    March 23, 2012 at 7:56 am#287032
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Jammin,
    When scripture says the Word was God
    it means IS GOD to you?

    March 23, 2012 at 9:53 am#287052
    jammin
    Participant

    in john 1.1????

    says it means the WOrd was truly GOD!

    March 23, 2012 at 11:27 pm#287129
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 22 2012,23:00)
    mike,

    the father is called the true GOD
    the son is also called the true GOD!


    No he's not. In fact, it is the Son who actually calls his Father “the ONLY true God”. ???

    March 23, 2012 at 11:31 pm#287130
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 23 2012,20:53)
    in john 1.1????

    says it means the WOrd was truly GOD!


    Hi Jammin,
    WAS
    not
    IS

    March 23, 2012 at 11:37 pm#287132
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 23 2012,01:03)
    2 in persons but one in nature, GOD

    exmple, you and your father are 2 persons. but you have the same nature, MAN.


    But did Nick's father cause Nick to exist in the first place, as all fathers cause the existence of their sons?

    Of course.

    So why would it be any different in the case of Jesus?  Jesus and his Father are two persons with the same spirit nature, and one of them brought the other one into existence.

    Just like Nick and his father are two persons with the same flesh nature, and one of them brought the other one into existence.

    Just like the other sons of God are different people than the God who brought them into existence, but they also have the same spirit nature as the God who brought them forth.

    Why must you change all the rules for Jesus?  Surely God knew how humans understood a father/son relationship, right?  Why would He use those words to describe Him and His Son Jesus if the normally understood rules of that relationship didn't even apply?

    Why “Father and Son”?  Why not “Co-Gods”, or “Members of a Godhead”?  Why is Jesus called the SON of his God if the regular rules of sonship don't even apply?  ???

    March 23, 2012 at 11:41 pm#287135
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi MB,
    But not of blood.
    Not of the desires of men.
    jn 1 12

    The sons of God are begotten of Him[jn1.12]-His Spirit- and led by the Spirit [rom8].

    March 24, 2012 at 12:13 am#287139
    barley
    Participant

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 04 2012,14:24)
    mike,

    show me what you have got.
    do not make stories.

    read in 1 john 5.20 that john says that christ is not the true GOD!

    you can ask for help

    Jesus Christ is not God.

    He is the son of the true God.

    I John 5:20

    And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

    Is Jesus Christ a “this” or is Jesus Christ a “who”?

    Jesus Christ is a who.

    “This” refers to the short summary of doctrine in I John 5:20

    It is not referring to the person of Jesus Christ solely, but to the doctrines regarding God and His son Jesus Christ and truth and being in the truth.

    Of course, you will disagree and tell me I am wrong. That is your choice, but that is what I John 5:20 teaches.

    barley

    March 24, 2012 at 1:07 pm#287204
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 24 2012,10:27)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 22 2012,23:00)
    mike,

    the father is called the true GOD
    the son is also called the true GOD!


    No he's not.  In fact, it is the Son who actually calls his Father “the ONLY true God”.  ???


    it is true that son called the father true GOD. but the son is also called the true GOD.
    john 1.1
    phil 2.6
    1 john 5.20

    they have the same nature. the father and the son have the same nature, Truly GOD!

    exmple,
    you and your father have the same nature, TRULY MAN!

    unless you dont agree that you are truly man. are you an animal mike?

    March 24, 2012 at 1:19 pm#287205
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 24 2012,10:37)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 23 2012,01:03)
    2 in persons but one in nature, GOD

    exmple, you and your father are 2 persons. but you have the same nature, MAN.


    But did Nick's father cause Nick to exist in the first place, as all fathers cause the existence of their sons?

    Of course.

    So why would it be any different in the case of Jesus?  Jesus and his Father are two persons with the same spirit nature, and one of them brought the other one into existence.

    Just like Nick and his father are two persons with the same flesh nature, and one of them brought the other one into existence.

    Just like the other sons of God are different people than the God who brought them into existence, but they also have the same spirit nature as the God who brought them forth.

    Why must you change all the rules for Jesus?  Surely God knew how humans understood a father/son relationship, right?  Why would He use those words to describe Him and His Son Jesus if the normally understood rules of that relationship didn't even apply?

    Why “Father and Son”?  Why not “Co-Gods”, or “Members of a Godhead”?  Why is Jesus called the SON of his God if the regular rules of sonship don't even apply?  ???


    that is the nature of man, they are created.

    but GOD is eternal. Christ and the father have the same nature, GOD!

    phil 2.6
    Philippians 2:6

    New Living Translation (NLT)

    6 Though he was God,
    he did not think of equality with God
    as something to cling to.

    john 1.1
    John 1
    The Word of Life
    1In the beginning was the one

    who is called the Word.

    The Word was with God

    and was truly God.

    and you agree and i know that you believe that Christ became flesh.

    read your bible well mike.

    March 24, 2012 at 1:20 pm#287206
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 24 2012,10:31)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 23 2012,20:53)
    in john 1.1????

    says it means the WOrd was truly GOD!


    Hi Jammin,
    WAS
    not
    IS


    there is no problem with that word.
    bec in verse 14 he became flesh.

    john is telling what Christ did. he became flesh/

    read it well

    March 24, 2012 at 1:22 pm#287207
    jammin
    Participant

    Quote (barley @ Mar. 24 2012,11:13)

    Quote (jammin @ Mar. 04 2012,14:24)
    mike,

    show me what you have got.
    do not make stories.

    read in 1 john 5.20 that john says that christ is not the true GOD!

    you can ask for help

    Jesus Christ is not God.

    He is the son of  the true God.

    I John 5:20

    And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

    Is Jesus Christ a “this” or is Jesus Christ a “who”?

    Jesus Christ is a who.

    “This” refers to the short summary of doctrine in I John 5:20

    It is not referring to the person of Jesus Christ solely, but to the doctrines regarding God and His son Jesus Christ and truth and being in the truth.

    Of course, you will disagree and tell me I am wrong. That is your choice, but that is what I John 5:20 teaches.

    barley


    that is just your opinion

    you cant read any single verse that Christ is not GOD. but i can read many verses that Christ is GOD! truly GOD

    believe it or not
    may GOD open your heart and eyes.

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