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The religious spirit seeks to replace the Holy Spirit as the source of spiritual life. This is every Christian’s battle! When we are truly joined to Christ, unstoppable living waters flow out of our innermost beings. The more that we can get free of the religious spirit, the purer and clearer these waters will be.

— Rick Joyner

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  • April 7, 2015 at 9:52 am#793079
    NickHassan
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    Hi t8,

    Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is freedom.

     

    religion offers regulation, formulas, striving and self effort.

    It is based on fear of failure and doubt.

     

    Those who are led by the Spirit are the sons of God.

    April 7, 2015 at 4:07 pm#793127
    AndrewAD
    Participant

    The problem with sayings like this and “Jesus is not religion but a relationship” is if you don’t agree with something these same people say then you don’t and  can’t have a “relationship”with the”real” Christ or God,but you only have religion.But to have any articles of religious faith is religion,even if one detests that word.

    But i do in my own sense understand what he’s saying which is why I’m not too dogmatic on anything anymore.

    And I was involved in the charismatic movement for many years and I certainly don’t think Rick Joyner’s”waters” are too clear,many consider him a charlatan and false prophet and I agree.The guy is full of himself imo.But this sounds like something he’d say to prepare his gullible readers for his visions and prophetical mumbo jumbo.

    April 7, 2015 at 5:21 pm#793135
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    To separate God from religion is simply UNGODLY, Religion is THE WAY you live plain and simple.

    James 1:27
    Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

    This is new age spiritism when a person tries to make religion an ugly word.

    And who turns away from the religion of Abraham but such as debase their souls with folly? Him We chose and rendered pure in this world: And he will be in the Hereafter in the ranks of the Righteous.

    ( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #130)

    Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to Allah, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For Allah did take Abraham for a friend.

    ( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #125)

    Religion is how you live spiritually

    April 7, 2015 at 5:25 pm#793138
    NickHassan
    Participant

     

    Hi BD,

    Religious people live under the delusion that God loves their attempts at impressing Him with their piety.

     

    April 7, 2015 at 5:35 pm#793141
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    God does love when a human being actually lives a certain way because he was created to live a certain way, you don’t want to impress God, you don’t want God to be pleased with you?

    April 7, 2015 at 5:58 pm#793143
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    You have high hopes but no rationale behind it.

    God sent His Son and you rejected him

    April 8, 2015 at 4:40 pm#793260
    AndrewAD
    Participant

    “To separate God from religion is simply UNGODLY, Religion is THE WAY you live plain and simple.”

    Exactly Bod,and those who use these deceitful semantics  are usually the most self righteous who think they are the only ones who really know God.

    And just what are religious spirits? are they not religious ideas? but they use such terms in order to convert one to their own religious ideology.

    April 12, 2015 at 12:09 pm#793727
    kerwin
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    I believe Joyner is using the word religious to mean ritualized but it sounds more like those who condemn all religions that merely those are more into worshiping God with their outer self while their inner self declares there is no God.

    April 12, 2015 at 1:14 pm#793732
    Anastas
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    Religion is an outward expression of the faith inside. Of course religion can become corrupt in its scope, becoming more of culture than an expression of faith, but that should not discount all religious activity as useless. We only need to look at baptism, or taking of the body and blood of Christ. Is the submersion in water mean you are reborn? No, there are many who are baptized who do not know Christ. Yet, how many of us would then say that baptism is useless? It’s required as a testament of your faith as Christ said, “Unless one is born of the water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.” And as for the Lord’s supper we are commanded to eat it in remembrance of Christ, yet we are also told that we must eat the body of Christ and drink his blood to have eternal life. So, likewise, the supper in itself is nothing, yet is made into something when the outward expression (religion) is combined with the faith in the inward parts. These are both religious activities, yet many Christians who say religion is evil probably do these things which is very hypocritical. Correct religion has never been the problem… it is the people doing the religion.

    April 12, 2015 at 1:18 pm#793734
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi A,

    Yes satan has used men to substitute false for real at every level.

    Rituals are empty magic for many

    April 13, 2015 at 3:49 am#793797
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Hi Nick

    Hi BD,

    You have high hopes but no rationale behind it.

    God sent His Son and you rejected him

    God sent Jesus Christ and I accept him and if you understood the truth of the matter, you would stop having a misunderstanding and promoting false accusations against me. You want me to accept a term not the person of Christ and that is a common problem with some people, you want to hear “God” instead of Allah and some want to hear Jehovah instead of God still some want to write YHVH and others think they have the inside scoop when they say Yeshua or Yashua but all these things don’t make you a true believer.

    Isaiah 29:13 The Lord says: “These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is based on merely human rules they have been taught.

    Everyday I am telling you Muslims Honor and Love Jesus Christ and every day you Judge by terminology and not truth

    1 Samuel 24:15 May the LORD act as judge, and may he decide between me and you. May he see, may he plead my case, and may he vindicate me in this dispute against you.”

    April 13, 2015 at 7:09 am#793808
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,

    If your HONOR of Jesus Christ is typical then your faith is not our faith.

    Those that love him obey his teachings.

    April 14, 2015 at 9:46 pm#794065
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    And I was involved in the charismatic movement for many years and I certainly don’t think Rick Joyner’s”waters” are too clear,many consider him a charlatan and false prophet and I agree.The guy is full of himself imo.But this sounds like something he’d say to prepare his gullible readers for his visions and prophetical mumbo jumbo.


    @AndrewAD

    False prophets utters false prophecies. I am curious as to what false prophecies he has made. I don’t know that much about the guy, as you seem to judging by your post.

    Please list some false prophecies that he has made.

    🙂

    April 14, 2015 at 9:52 pm#794066
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    BD, Nick is talking about Jesus as the son of God. We know that the Koran says that God has no son. Thus that book denies the Father and the Son. In biblical terms the spirit behind those that deny the Father and Son is Antichrist.

    April 15, 2015 at 3:34 pm#794155
    AndrewAD
    Participant

    @t8

    I don’t know that much about the guy either and honestly don’t care to.I was involved in the KC Metro Vineyard before he came along.I have read a few of his articles in Charisma magazine and heard him a bit on tv years ago. And also read some stuff online about his books.Perhaps he’s not a false prophet.If one chooses to believe him maybe that is what makes him true.

    I read he was knighted by the Knights of Malta under the Masonic Order of the Roman Catholic Church, so maybe he’s legit? if that is even true of course:)

    April 16, 2015 at 12:45 am#794212
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Well I guess the obvious thing to state is that we should not say people are false prophets unless we know that they have prophesied falsely. After all the definition of a false prophet is that they are not a true prophet, yet they prophesy as if they were a prophet.

    From the little I have researched on the guy he has been spot on. He prophesied that the Millenium Bug was not going to be an issue for the world in a time when many so-called prophets were running around saying the world system was going to crash. He supposedly told of the housing crises before it happened and warned Christians to be prepared. Even these I would need to check, but this is what I have read about the guy.

    Lately he has been talking about visions he got regarding America. One was that ISIS would invade the southern border through Mexico. They would conduct raids or killing sprees in smaller groups. Another vision was of the foundations of America on fire.

    I am not so sure that he is a guy that prophecies as much as he is a guy who regularly sees visions and writes about them. Perhaps that is part of prophecy, but until you or someone points out errors, then I am not going to entertain opinions as facts.

    Also, let’s imagine that he is of God and has a ministry given by God. Then calling him false is an insult to God. God takes it personally when his people are attacked for speaking his words. We need to control the tongue and speak when it is true and ignore accusations until we know they are true.

    I write this not to condemn you but to offer some advice for you.

    April 16, 2015 at 9:17 pm#794367
    kerwin
    Participant

    t8,

    I knew the Millenium Bug was not as big a deal as the media put on. It was intentional programming and a fair share of the programs were obsolete before it even became an issue.

    I might have has some inside information since I was in computer science degree at that time.

    April 16, 2015 at 11:19 pm#794374
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Some believe it would have been a big deal had not the world splashed out with big cash to fix it. We will never know for sure. I had a friend who made a killing in wages for the 2 years before.

    I remember when New Zealand first entered the year 2000, (the first country). Besides all the celebrations, the world and the US in particular watched this little country on the edge of the world closely to see if our systems would crash. We got through without a hitch and you could almost hear the collective sigh of relief from the bigger countries as they realised it was probably going to be okay when it was their turn to tick over to 2000 AD.

    April 17, 2015 at 8:28 am#794409
    AndrewAD
    Participant

    T8,

    Have you heard of the NAR-New Apostolic Reformation? Joyner is part of that,as well as Mike Bickle who was pastor of KC Metro Vineyard that I was involved with in the early 90’s.

    I was a gullible charismatic looking for God’s call on my life but had a feeling then that there was something wrong in it.The prophecies,spiritual warfare praying which included fasting,their use of the bible and manipulation of people through fear of their supposed authority just felt wrong and cultish to me.Of course I knew the fellow congregants who took every word from them as from God.This wasn’t normal church,and I felt very confused and afraid.Of course they had scriptures to try and back up all they said and brainwash us with. To make a long story short,what started out as light,grace and peace turned to confusion,depression,and darkness for me.I left when the Vineyard started doing an investigation on the reported abuses.I felt like God was giving me the release to leave.And Bickle and the Vineyard separated after that and an infant later died of starvation from one of”God’s appointed fasts” after I left.

    My mother-may she rest in peace- was still brainwashed with all this rubbish long after I left it,and she condemned me for not believing in Todd Bentley.Have you heard of him T8? he was one of the leaders of the Lakeland laughing revival who claims to have raised people from the dead and saved thousands of souls.But as it turned out he was committing adultery with his secretary on his wheelchair bound wife while the revival was going on even.And now Apostle Bentley is married to the former secretary-yes it’s holy matrimony!God is so merciful isn’t he!

    And guess who was one who anointed and appointed Todd Bentley as a New Apostle? Your holy prophet and new Apostle Rick Joyner.And what do you think of the Roman Catholic Knights of Malta? your prophet Joyner is an elect one of them even! Look it all up on Youtube if you don’t believe me.

    I’ve been calling these apostles and prophets like Bickle,Benny Hinn, Morris Cerullo,Kim Clement,Peter Wagner,Oral Roberts,Ken Hagin,Ken Copeland,Todd Bentley,Rick Joyner,etc… and their secret hero William Branham false and deceptive for years now and I think I’m the better off for it.

    Just Google false prophecies of Rick Joyner and investigate for yourselves.If you want to follow him have at it.But if I die today or tomorrow it won’t be because I call him or his fellow new apostles false prophets which I have for years and still call them today! I fear them not !

    April 17, 2015 at 8:42 am#794411
    kerwin
    Participant

    AndrewAD,

    Youtube is not necessarily a reliable source. Test the spirit of what you hear. Offhand I believe Joyner and Bentley are both heretics. The rest could be true as well as it does not change my view at all.

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