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Jesus is either one or the other, but not both

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  • May 23, 2015 at 7:40 am#798270
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    I think you are so entrenched in your view that Jesus IS a deity, rather than what scripture says that the fullness of deity was in him

    that you are frightened of divine retaliation if you imagine otherwise.

    But scripture is truth. “Thy Word is truth'”

    There is no fear in love.

    May 23, 2015 at 7:50 am#798271
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    You claim to be reborn from above?

     

    In that case it should be very easy for you to discern between the human vessel Jesus and the Spirit at work and speaking from within Him.

    You should not be easily convinced by the arguments of carnal men who cannot understand things of the Spirit.

     

    Is this so?

    May 23, 2015 at 7:58 am#798272
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    Jn14.23

    “..If a man love me he will KEEP MY WORDS; and my Father will love him and we will come to him, and make our abode with him.

    He that loveth me not, KEEPETH NOT my sayings..

    But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, AND BRING TO YOUR REMEMBRANCE, WHATSOEVER I HAVE SAID UNTO YOU”

     

     

    So your SAFETY is in the scriptures, not the ideas of men.

     

    May 23, 2015 at 10:13 am#798280
    kerwin
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    DavidL,

    AGAIN – DO NOT BE DECEIVED BY CARNAL ARGUMENTS AGAINST THE DEITY OF CHRIST..

    CHRIST IS BOTH GOD AND MAN –

    thus in His own Being, He bridges the gap BETWEEN humanity and Divinity..

    Your doctrine is carnal as it does not save those that believe in it from their sins but is instead designed to make them feel secure while still in their sins.

    Jesus Christ came to save us from our sins.

    May 26, 2015 at 10:32 am#798435
    NickHassan
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    hi KW,

    Be baptised for the forgiveness of your sins.

    May 26, 2015 at 3:37 pm#798447
    kerwin
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    Nick,

    That is what John the Baptist taught. He also taught people “to produce fruit in keeping with their repentance”(Matthew 3:7-8)

    May 26, 2015 at 3:40 pm#798448
    NickHassan
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    Hi KW,

    It was what Peter taught at Pentecost.

    deal to sin.

    May 26, 2015 at 3:47 pm#798449
    NickHassan
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    hi KW,

    Rom 6

    For he who has died is free from sin….

    Therefore do not let sin rule in your mortal bodies that you should obey it’s lusts….

    For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

     

    Escape the law and come into the kingdom of grace where freedom lies.

    May 26, 2015 at 3:47 pm#798450
    kerwin
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    Nick,

    Incorrect as John the Baptist taught the Law and the Prophets and Peter taught how to enter the kingdom of heaven.

    Peter added the words “and you will receive the promise of the Holy Spirit” and also preached to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.

    May 26, 2015 at 3:50 pm#798451
    NickHassan
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    Hi KW,

    John taught preparation for the kingdom of God by repentance

    Those who obeyed could be planted with the new seed

     

    Lk 7 29-30

     

    May 27, 2015 at 6:57 am#798456
    kerwin
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    Nick,

    Jesus teaches us that “The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it.” (Luke 16:16)

    So it seems John the Baptist did not teach the Law and the Prophets but instead taught people to press into the kingdom of heaven even as he was preparing them for the new covenant.

    Peter preached the new covenant.

    Note: The reason I say seems is that Jesus clearly implied that John did not enter the kingdom of heaven. (Luke 7:28)
    Note: I have difficulties knowing if the word until means the event that is transitional is included in the first division or in the second.

    May 27, 2015 at 8:35 am#798461
    NickHassan
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    Hi KW,

    Yes John did not enter the kingdom through the door.

    He said in mt 3

    “I have need to be baptised by you, and do you come to me?’

    June 10, 2015 at 7:23 pm#799362
    Proclaimer
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    Because the Son is One with the Father in His Deity (with God as God) – we as branches can partake of that divine nature..

    this doesn’t make us God – it makes us Christ-like

    we become sons through THE Son – receiving THE DIVINE NATURE OF THE SON.

    “For in Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him..”

    DavidL, you like many have confused nature and identity.

    Eve was adam, but she was not Adam.

    Judas was devil, but he was not the Devil.

    Jesus existed in the form of God, emptied himself, came in the flesh, died, rose again, and is now back with the Father in the glory he had with him before the cosmos.

    If you can understand the difference between identity and nature, then you would not call Jesus the one true God.

    You already understand it with Adam and Eve and Judas and Satan. One more step.

    June 10, 2015 at 8:43 pm#799370
    NickHassan
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    Hi t8,

    Scripture does not say Jesus existed in the form of God.

    It says CHRIST Jesus.

    The WORD.

    June 13, 2015 at 8:48 am#799448
    DavidL
    Participant

    t8

    You say I have confused nature with identity

    and by saying this you suggest that Jesus has the nature of God

    but cannot be identified as God..

    yet Scripture simply transcends your theory

    John says – He was with God…and He WAS God.

    Jesus says – “I and the Father are One.”

    Thomas said – “My Lord and my God.”

     

    If Jesus is not God (as you falsely claim) – then you have another god next to the One true God…!!

    June 13, 2015 at 8:59 am#799449
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    Indeed all who met and heard Jesus Christ met and heard the Father in him.

    Only if they were of the Spirit of course.

    June 13, 2015 at 9:21 am#799454
    kerwin
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    DavidL and others;

    Scripture teaches us that Jesus Christ being in the form of God did not see being equal to God as plunder but instead humbled himself and took on the form of a servant, a servant God prophesied about by saying My Servant …” Though he posses the form of the one true God he clearly is not the one true God as he is instead the Servant of the one true God.

    June 13, 2015 at 9:24 am#799455
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    You say Jesus is God.

     

    Thus you deny his sonship and the fatherhood of God.

    Scripture mentions those who do this.

    June 13, 2015 at 9:25 am#799457
    kerwin
    Participant

    DavidL,

    Jesus says – “I and the Father are One.”

    Why do you continue to misuse these words though you are well aware speaks of the unity of the Spirit to which God, Jesus Christ, and those that believe in them belong?

    You must overcome the obstacles the flesh throws in your way.

    June 13, 2015 at 9:29 am#799459
    kerwin
    Participant

    Nick,

    Hi KW,

    Yes John did not enter the kingdom through the door.

    He said in mt 3

    “I have need to be baptised by you, and do you come to me?’

    John said those words to Jesus before Jesus himself was immersed and the Spirit landed on the latter in the form a dove.

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