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Jesus is either one or the other, but not both

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  • April 1, 2015 at 6:05 pm#792326
    Proclaimer
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    Yes DavidL, Yeshua existed in the form of God as the Word that was with God. The Second Century Father’s taught that he was the first to be with God and that he has first place in all things. They taught this as a result of how they viewed John 1:1 and other scriptures.

    If Jesus was not the first to be with God, then the logical question to ask is who was? And if not him, then the one who was first would be special right. The only begotten. The first-born.

    However, this is very different to him always existing as God as the Catholic Faith states. What is written is that his Father is God and believing this is part of the true faith.

    April 7, 2015 at 10:58 pm#793163
    Ed J
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    ED, DavidL

    Who was Jesus sent to?

    Hi BD,

    Before his crucifixion to Israel, after his resurrection to the entire world.
    Do you find “bible truth” troubling? Muhammad is the false prophet of Rev.13:13

    B’shem
    YHVH

    April 8, 2015 at 1:31 am#793165
    bodhitharta
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    Hi BD,

    Before his crucifixion to Israel, after his resurrection to the entire world.
    Do you find “bible truth” troubling? Muhammad is the false prophet of Rev.13:13

    After his resurrection “he” wasn’t sent anywhere, you mean the message about him was spread

    also lets take a look at this Rev 13:13 and see what you are understanding here

    Revelation 13:12-14King James Version (KJV)

    12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

    13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

    14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

    few questions when have you ever even heard of a Muslim make an image or statue to worship? If you go into a mosque you will see 0 images, just so you know it is completely forbidden to worship any visible “representation” of God so your claim would be impossible with Islam, there are however large erected statues of crucified Jesus and people do worship them

    April 9, 2015 at 8:53 am#793355
    DavidL
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    @t8

    I know you hold the vainglorious notion of being persecuted for Jesus.. when in fact every true follower of Christ would run from your teaching, as they would an impostor who has not the Spirit, but teaches according to his own natural wisdom..

    Professing to teach truth – you have fallen into false doctrine… denying the very reality of Jesus Christ (foundational truth of the Christian faith), you twist God’s Holy Word to your own confusion… refusing to let go of your man-made deception you continually resist the truth just like those old stiff-necked ancestors before you..

    Christ came to destroy the works of the devil, and all those who are His also reject and hate what is false…especially when it concerns the Person of our Lord Jesus Christ Himself…!!!

    April 14, 2015 at 10:31 pm#794070
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    It is persecution @DavidL. Because you oppose me for believing that the Father is the one true God and that He sent another, his son into the world.

    Every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the Glory of God. And we believe that the is the messiah and son of God. But you believe that he is God and that God died. Rather, this God is the God of Jesus and is our God too. He is his Father and our Father. He calls us sons and Jesus calls us brothers.

    You persecute me for believing this. Simple as that. Of course I am not bothered by your persecution apart from thinking about your own spiritual state.

    Someone somewhere along the way placed a stumbling block in your path and you have never overcome it. All things are possible in Christ. Believe upon him means to believe his own words even if all men are liars in comparison. FOr some reason, you are unable to see clearly. First you need to remove that which hinders your vision.

    If the mainstream tells you God is triune and scripture says HE is ONE. Then why believe the mainstream. For wide is the path that the mainstream travel down. Those on that road take comfort in their number. But that road leads to destruction DavidL. The truth is a precious gem that is hard to find, not a common grain of sand.

    April 15, 2015 at 8:56 am#794094
    DavidL
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    It is persecution DavidL. Because you oppose me for believing that the Father is the one true God and that He sent another, his son into the world.

     

    I guess if you tell yourself that enough t8, you’ll actually start believing it – but is it really true..?

    I confront you over your teaching on the trinity – because you’ve got things back to front…your foundation is NOT Scripture but the study of Catholic doctrine..

    Scripture must come FIRST (not our own ideas) – our thoughts and beliefs should be molded and established from the Word – not the other way around.

    You have formed your own anti-trinity conclusions first, outside of the Bible – NOW you twist and change the meaning of verses to make Scripture fit your beliefs… you can no longer see Scripture in and unbiased way, or simply let it speak for itself.

     

     

    April 15, 2015 at 9:10 am#794099
    NickHassan
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    Hi Davidl,

    Grand statements but you have yet to show where trinity is TAUGHT in the bible.

    April 15, 2015 at 12:36 pm#794124
    Proclaimer
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    I guess if you tell yourself that enough t8, you’ll actually start believing it – but is it really true..?

    DavidL, let’s be frank. You are behaving the same way the Pharisees did with Jesus. Did the Pharisees persecute Jesus for his radical teachings? Yes. You are no different. Call it what you want, but you oppose me because I quote and teach from the truth of scripture, that for us there is one God the Father and that this God is the God of Jesus.

    April 15, 2015 at 12:41 pm#794125
    Proclaimer
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    I confront you over your teaching on the trinity – because you’ve got things back to front…your foundation is NOT Scripture but the study of Catholic doctrine..

    It is you who is backward here. I teach that for us there is one God the Father who is the true God and who sent his son. This is scripture and I have quoted these scriptures many times to no avail.

    My study of Catholic Doctrine is not the foundation of my faith, but my rebuttal against you which is the challenge that has been given to you, but where you have demonstrated the traditions of men over the truth in scripture.

    I believe that there is one God who sent his son, whom he made both Lord and Christ. You believe that Jesus is part of a triune being, whereas scripture is clear. There is one God and that is the Father. You cannot prove me wrong because I simply am quoting scripture. Unless you can prove scripture is wrong, you have no case just as Satan has no case.

    Once day you will confess in truth that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God. Hopefully you will confess this before your deathbed. But either way, you will confess it eventually.

    April 16, 2015 at 7:24 am#794242
    DavidL
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    DavidL, let’s be frank

     

    How about – Let’s be honest..!!

    You believe that Jesus is part of a triune being

    No – I believe that Jesus is in unity with the Father…

    You cannot prove me wrong because I simply am quoting scripture

    Wrong – you are twisting Scripture into the context of your false teaching – which actually denies the REALITY of Jesus Christ.

     

    ..you are stuck in a theological matrix trying to negotiate Christ on logical terms.

    April 16, 2015 at 7:30 am#794246
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself.

    What a wonderful vessel!

    2 tim2

    April 16, 2015 at 7:33 am#794247
    DavidL
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    Amen – What a wonderful God…!!!

    April 16, 2015 at 8:42 am#794256
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    Yes God is wonderful and so is His Son.

    They are one in the Spirit.

    April 20, 2015 at 5:25 pm#795026
    Proclaimer
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    @DavidL

    How about – Let’s be honest..!!

    To be frank is to be honest about the situation or your opinions.
    But being honest DavidL would be great. I welcome it. Honesty would allow much progress.
    So let’s be honest about the following to start with.

    There is one God the Father right?
    Not according to you. To you there is one God the Father, Son, and Spirit.

    There is one God who is over all and through all and in all right?
    Not according to you. You believe there are three who are God.

    God is one right?
    Not according to you. You believe that God is triune, THREE.

    God is ONE minus God is THREE = TWO left over persons who cannot be the one true God.

    And to confirm that there is one who is the ONE TRUE GOD, here are the words of eternal life that you keep opposing or ignoring:

    John 17:3
    Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

    April 21, 2015 at 6:19 am#795071
    DavidL
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    t8

    How about – Let’s be honest..!!

     

    “The first to plead his case seems right, Until another comes and examines him.” – Proverbs 18:17

    Of course you try and maintain an over-all appearance of “honesty”, but when your trinity teaching is examined it becomes painfully obvious that you have grossly misrepresented Scripture – altering every verse that specifically relates to the Deity of Christ, in a way that virtually renders them meaningless.. so they no longer seem to clash with your Unitarian doctrine..

    Smudging Scripture to fit your own predefined beliefs..

    (beliefs, I might add, that seem to be founded solely on the arguments of others – rather than your own personal relationship to the Word of God)..

    To claim honesty in the light of such fraud is really just more basic evidence of your inability to represent truth..!!!

     

    April 21, 2015 at 7:19 am#795075
    DavidL
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    t8 – let’s be honest…

    There is one God who is over all and through all and in all right?
    Not according to you. You believe there are three who are God.

    God is one right?
    Not according to you. You believe that God is triune, THREE.

     

    “So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not three Gods, but one God.”

    According to your own post – the trinity doctrine affirms that they are NOT three Gods, but only ONE God..!

     

    So why do you try and confuse the trinity doctrine with your petty logic..?

    ..if not to make your own cult propaganda seem more valid…!!

     

     

     

     

     

    April 21, 2015 at 8:33 pm#795158
    NickHassan
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    Hi Davidl,

    Of course God is not the Word.

    The Word is not God.

     

     

    April 21, 2015 at 9:02 pm#795166
    DavidL
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    “What is a cult ? ..a cult is that which claims to be based on the historical Christian truth, but actually deviates in the Person and the work of Jesus Christ.”

     

    April 21, 2015 at 9:32 pm#795170
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi davidl,

    Why do you continue to support the biggest cult in history?

    April 22, 2015 at 6:37 am#795209
    DavidL
    Participant

    “Any passage [of Scripture] can be taken in the exclusion of others to the detriment of the truth.”

    Dr James White – JESUS IS JEHOVAH – Part 1 (10 min)

     

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