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  • March 29, 2015 at 12:47 pm#791974
    DavidL
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    Jesus Christ did not pre exist except in the foreknowledge of God

    This is where you are wrong..

    John openly declares He was in the beginning with God.

    Jesus prayed, And now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had with You before the world began.

    Just a foreknowledge…?

     

    March 29, 2015 at 12:48 pm#791975
    bodhitharta
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    DavidL

    you said:

    ..if what you say is a true representation of the Scriptures, then you should be able to answer my original question – What apostle of Christ ever said – or could have said, “I and the Father are one.”…?

    Any apostle who understood what Jesus was saying.

    1 Corinthians 12:12
    For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ.

    So if they are of the body of Christ how could any not be one with the Father if Christ is One with the Father?

    David are you one with Christ Jesus?
    David are you one with the Father?

    March 29, 2015 at 12:59 pm#791977
    DavidL
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    we can and should be united to Christ as branches in the Vine – but we are not the Vine.

    ..no man can say of himself, as our Lord did , ‘I and the Father are one.”

    Just as no man can say of himself, “Before Abraham was born, I AM.”

    This should be easy to acknowledge..

    March 29, 2015 at 1:06 pm#791979
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    Do you not share in the sap of the vine?

    You are desperate to justify your human stance

    March 29, 2015 at 1:08 pm#791980
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    Our unity with the Father is in Jesus.

    we are seated with him in the heavenlies.[col3]

    March 29, 2015 at 1:09 pm#791981
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    Does t8 deserve your bile?

    Just for making you think about your shaky foundation?

    March 29, 2015 at 3:04 pm#791982
    bodhitharta
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    we can and should be united to Christ as branches in the Vine – but we are not the Vine.

    ..no man can say of himself, as our Lord did , ‘I and the Father are one.”

    Just as no man can say of himself, “Before Abraham was born, I AM.”

    This should be easy to acknowledge..

    Are you saying that you don’t think Moses and God were one, haven’t you heard about the heavenly praises:

    Revelation 15:3
    And they sing the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, “Great and marvelous are Thy works, Lord God Almighty! Just and true are Thy ways, Thou King of saints!

    Who is this Lamb?
    Is Jesus a Servant of God like here where it says Moses is a servant of God?

    Acts 3:26Revised Standard Version (RSV)

    26 God, having raised up his servant,[a] sent him to you first, to bless you in turning every one of you from your wickedness.”

    Acts 3:13
    The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified his servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release him.

    Acts 4:30
    while thou stretchest out thy hand to heal, and signs and wonders are performed through the name of thy holy servant Jesus.”

    Who is this servant Jesus? Who does he serve is these verses who does he worship?

    March 29, 2015 at 3:05 pm#791983
    bodhitharta
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    DavidL

      Behold the Lamb of God

    Just answer one question: In this one sentence who is the Lamb and who is God?

    March 29, 2015 at 3:51 pm#791984
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    A thousand so called inferences do not make one fact.

    The fact is that Jesus never said God was a trinity, and never said he was God.

    Listen to him

    March 29, 2015 at 6:33 pm#791997
    DavidL
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    Who is this Lamb?

    ..every believer who acknowledges the truth of the triune nature of God knows the Lamb is Jesus Christ..

    ..the point is you people emphasize the individuality of Father, Son and Holy Spirit – but deny their unity…this is called Arianism – which originated in the third century with the heretic Arius, who likewise tried to promote his fallacious teaching with the same verse in John 17 that t8 has now adopted on this web site..

    March 29, 2015 at 6:40 pm#791998
    DavidL
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    Is Jesus a Servant of God like here where it says Moses is a servant of God?

    “but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.” – Philippians 2:7

    Yes, He is the Lamb…yes, He came as a servant – but again you miss the point, Jesus has many crowns and many titles, ALL of which I acknowledge …none of which I deny.

    March 29, 2015 at 6:46 pm#791999
    DavidL
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    Does t8 deserve your bile?

    Reproof is bitter – but it is better to taste of it’s bitterness now while there is still time to change, than to carry on in deception until it is too late..

    March 29, 2015 at 7:08 pm#792000
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    Had you not better find a foundation to stand on before reproving others?

    trinity is of man, not God.

    Sand

    March 29, 2015 at 7:22 pm#792001
    Ed J
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    DavidL

    Behold the Lamb of God

    Just answer one question: In this one sentence who is the Lamb and who is God?

    Hi BD,

    John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith,
    Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

    As a Christian, DavidL believes Jesus is the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world!
    You, as a muslim DO NOT – so What are even doing trying to represent what God says when you do not?

    ____________
    Ed J

    March 29, 2015 at 8:27 pm#792005
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    Have you heard the voice of the Holy Spirit in the words of Jesus yet?

    March 30, 2015 at 3:50 am#792011
    sonofGod
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    Jesus was made in the likeness of men.

    Jesus did not make himself.

    Knowing that God designed life so that all things are after its own kind, we cannot afford to miss that truth in learning who Jesus is.

    God is spirit, John 4:24. Jesus is human. The two are not of the same kind.

    God, choosing to have a son, should have had a son that was spirit, not human.

    But he did not, His goal was to redeem mankind, therefore a human was necessary.

    God’s love for the world, John 3:16, is made even clearer when we recognize that truth.

    God had a son, God is the Father of the lord Jesus Christ and Mary is his mother.

    God had a human son. He did not exist until his conception and birth. Matthew 2:11.

    God did however foreknow and “foreplan” for a son to redeem mankind, God prepared well in advance for His son, even so much as to prepare glory for him even at the beginning.

    March 30, 2015 at 6:56 am#792017
    NickHassan
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    Hi SOG,

    He was made a spiritual son by anointing with the Spirit at the jordan.

    The sons of God are led by the Spirit of God [rom8]and from that moment he was led by the Spirit. lk4.1

    March 31, 2015 at 8:56 am#792105
    DavidL
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    sonofGod says,

    He did not exist until his conception and birth. Matthew 2:11.

     

    Scripture says,

    He was with God in the beginning. John 1:2

     

    I believe Scripture.

    March 31, 2015 at 9:07 am#792107
    NickHassan
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    Hi davidl,

    The Word was made flesh.

    Jesus was conceived=flesh.

     

    Jesus became the Christ

    March 31, 2015 at 9:10 am#792109
    DavidL
    Participant

    He existed before His incarnation

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