Did Jesus Christ exist before his birth on Earth?

Baby Jesus

It seems that most who call themselves Christian belong to one of two camps. Jesus is either God or a mere created man. This debate has been raging since the days of Athanasius of Alexandria and Arius.

What the does the Bible say? Well it is quite clear on who Jesus is and his origin. Let’s take a look at what is written.

Scripture says the Word became flesh and dwelt among us and when Jesus returns, his name is called ‘The Word of God’.  (John 1 & Revelation 19:13)

It says that God created all things through THE WORD and nothing was created without him. (John 1:3)

It says that the universe was created through THE SON and he is before all things. (Colossians 1:15-17)

It says that all things were created through JESUS CHRIST. (Hebrews 2:9)

This is what the Bible says about Jesus Christ, the son of the living God, the one named: ‘The Word of God’ who was with God in the beginning.

He emptied himself, took upon himself our nature, was obedient to his God and our God, died for our sins as it is written, and is now in the glory he had with the Father before the cosmos.

Jesus is not God in the flesh, rather the Word who became flesh and dwelt among us. He was with God in the beginning. He was the first to be with God.

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  • #944288
    Nick
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    Hi Desiretruth,

    You attack the false church as if she is relevant to anything.

    Your apparent INCONSISTENCIES are because you are not subject to the Master.

    DEVOTED to REBELLION you attempt to undermine him and his servants in service to your master kicking against the goad is inevitable frustration.

    #944289
    Nick
    Participant

    The mind is your playground desiretruth.

    Playing games is your forte.

    sigh.

    #944290
    Nick
    Participant

    Brethren, my heart’s desire  and my prayer to God for them is for their salvation. For I testify about them that they have zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge. For not knowing about God’s righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they do not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for everyone who believes.

    Rom 10.1f

    there is nothing new under the Sun.

    ecc 1.9

    #944291
    DesireTruth
    Participant

    @Nick,

    I am quoting scripture from the OT and comparing it to its usage in NT; and asking why they don’t match. Apparently my questions are to difficult for you or by answering them truthfully it will overturn your world just like it did mine and it scares you!

    Either answer the questions or ignore the conversation!

    #944292
    Nick
    Participant

    Hi Dt,

    The NT offers life to men in the Son of God.

    It is the final offer from God to men.

    Unless you repent you will all likewise perish.

    Sadly many prefer old wine to new.

     

    #944293
    Nick
    Participant

    When was your life overturned?

     

    #944294
    Nick
    Participant

    Fear is not the issue for me but it may be for you.

    The Holy Spirit is daunting for many because it means loss of control and being used by God for His purposes and not ours.

    Human religion and legal requirements seem much safer for many.

     

    #944295
    DesireTruth
    Participant

    @Nick,

    So what you’re saying is you aren’t going to answer any of my questions…understood.

    Good thing Proclaimer created this website so we could discuss our like thoughts.

    #944296
    Nick
    Participant

    Hi desiretruth,

    So when was your life overturned?

    #944297
    Nick
    Participant

    Hi Desiretruth,

    Scripture has offered you the answers but you didn’t listen?

    Therefore every scribe who has become a disciple of the kingdom is like the head of a household who brings out of his treasure things new and old.

    matt 13.52

    #944298
    DesireTruth
    Participant

    @Nick,

    Did you just ask me a question without answering mine? Let’s do this, answer one of my questions and I’ll answer one of yours. I am tired of this question “goal post” moving and me required to answer everyone’s questions while mine remain unanswered.

    By the way, what am I suppose to repent of?

    #944299
    Nick
    Participant

    Hi Desiretruth,

    If you would like to be in control of the dialogue perhaps you should have your own site?

    All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.(Rom 3.22)

    That is why all must repent.

    #944300
    Nick
    Participant

    But then I guess you do not accept anything through Paul as being anointed.

    I suppose all the letters of the apostles are also anathema to you. Acts as well?

     

    #944301
    Nick
    Participant

    So when you had your life changing experience you tossed the baby out with the bath water and now only see the OT as given by God?

    #944303
    Berean
    Participant

    @desire Truth

    Isaiah 53:9

    And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; 👉because he had done no violence, 👉neither was any deceit in his mouth.

    This is the case for Jesus.

    Is this the case for Israel?

    🙏

    #944306
    DesireTruth
    Participant

    @Nick

    It is obvious you don’t want to be a part of the conversation, as you have brought nothing to it except contention. Why are you here? Reciprocity is what makes a conversation work; ask a question, have question answered and vice versa. A concept that apparently is foreign to you.

    Good luck!

    #944307
    DesireTruth
    Participant

    @Berean

    I have been over Isa 53:9 before, go find my response. If you want to believe Isa 53 is Jesus – fantastic. Now find where in the OT the Messiah was to be buried and raised up in three days!

    Begin!

    #944308
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Desire Truth and equally where does it say he wasn’t to be killed and resurrected in three day’s please show those scriptures,  and again Jesus know it wasn’t written in the old Testament , that is why is said it himself,  he simply gave a comparison of what happened to Jonah was going to happen to him, that’s all, he never said it was written “about him”. that way now did hid? You said the Old Testament was written by Jews,  that is wrong prove to me where any scripture says the Old Testament was written by the Jews?  Moses was not a Jew, he was of the tribe of Levi  he wrote most of the Old Testament .  Except for the prophets, and most of them were not by the Jews.

    Desire Truth…. you seem to think the Jews have it right, if you do that then you have become a persecutor of Jesus as they were and are,  but not all Jews do, some believe the New Testament scriptures,  not saying that critical thinking is wrong, but you have yet to prove any where where the nation of Judah were suffering for our sins and iniquities, being laid on them,  not even a single scriptures supports that not one that I see at least.  If it exists then show it to us and also show us where scripture shows they have suffered for anyone else’s sin but their own sins and iniquities, they were suffering for.   As I said to you before your throwing out the baby with the wash. IMO

    pease and love to you and your Desire Truth………gene

    #944309
    Berean
    Participant

    @desire Truth

    You

    I have been over Isa 53:9 before, go find my response. If you want to believe Isa 53 is Jesus – fantastic. Now find where in the OT the Messiah was to be buried and raised up in three days!

    Begin!

    Me

    Israël IS a siner in need of a savior…

     

    Jesus IS not a siner , He IS the Savior OF thé world

    🙏

    #944310
    Danny Dabbs
    Participant

    @desiretruth

    You: By the way, what am I suppose to repent of?

    Me: For rejecting Jehovah God’s Son, Jesus Christ!

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