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Did Jesus Christ exist before his birth on Earth?

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It seems that most who call themselves Christian belong to one of two camps. Jesus is either God or a mere created man. This debate has been raging since the days of Athanasius of Alexandria and Arius.

What the does the Bible say? Well it is quite clear on who Jesus is and his origin. Let’s take a look at what is written.

Scripture says the Word became flesh and dwelt among us and when Jesus returns, his name is called ‘The Word of God’.  (John 1 & Revelation 19:13)

It says that God created all things through THE WORD and nothing was created without him. (John 1:3)

It says that the universe was created through THE SON and he is before all things. (Colossians 1:15-17)

It says that all things were created through JESUS CHRIST. (Hebrews 2:9)

This is what the Bible says about Jesus Christ, the son of the living God, the one named: ‘The Word of God’ who was with God in the beginning.

He emptied himself, took upon himself our nature, was obedient to his God and our God, died for our sins as it is written, and is now in the glory he had with the Father before the cosmos.

Jesus is not God in the flesh, rather the Word who became flesh and dwelt among us. He was with God in the beginning. He was the first to be with God.

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  • October 5, 2020 at 3:27 pm#866581
    Ed J
    Participant

    mike, (1 John 1:1) “our hands have handled, of the Word of life”

    Hi Mike,

    This verse is about John and other apostles talking part in writing “The Bible”.

    …it does not mean that thay were touching Jesus flesh.
    You get so far off tract when you don’t understand…

    “The Word” of God is God’s “HolySpirit”, not Jesus:

    “For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
    he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.” (John 12:49)
    “the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.” (John 6:63)

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    God bless
    Ed J

    October 5, 2020 at 5:43 pm#866583
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    His name is Jesus. That means he is Jesus.

    His name is The Word of God. That means he is the Word of God.

    It’s not rocket science.

    At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

    October 5, 2020 at 8:17 pm#866584
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi T8,

    “and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God” (Rev 20:4)

    1 for the witness of Jesus
    and
    2 for the word of God

    Why you do you and religious fervor try to blend them together?

    October 5, 2020 at 8:38 pm#866585
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Why you do you and religious fervor try to blend them together?

    Actually the opposite. I have taught all along that you can identify or qualify and people seem muddled up regarding this. That is, you are something (person) or it is something (attribute).

    Just because truth is an attribute doesn’t mean that Jesus is not THE truth.

    Just because life is given by God, doesn’t negate that Jesus Christ is the life.

    Just because Eve is man (adam) doesn’t mean that the first man wasn’t Adam.

    Just because the logos is an attribute of God doesn’t mean that Jesus Christ isn’t the Word of God.

    All things come from God and living beings tend to be named after attributes that they have.

    Know the difference and many a man made doctrine will be exposed just as the Trinity Doctrine is.

    October 5, 2020 at 8:46 pm#866586
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    @edj

    1. His name is Jesus. That means he is Jesus.
    2. His name is The Word of God. That means he is the Word of God.

    Tell me Ed J, why is 1 correct and 2 wrong?

    October 5, 2020 at 9:39 pm#866587
    Ed J
    Participant


    @edj

    1. His name is Jesus. That means he is Jesus.
    2. His name is The Word of God. That means he is the Word of God.
     
    Tell me Ed J, why is 1 correct and 2 wrong?

    Hi T8,

    Actually they both 1 and 2 are true.

    What is incorrect though, is that you think #2 means “The Word” is Jesus; which of course is untrue.

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    God bless
    Ed J

    October 5, 2020 at 9:43 pm#866588
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi T8,
     
    “and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God” (Rev 20:4)
     
    1 for the witness of Jesus
    and
    2 for the word of God

    Hi T8,

    Do you affirm that 1 and 2 in verse Rev 20:4 are referring to different things?

    “Yes” or “No” ?

    October 6, 2020 at 12:35 am#866589
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    How true is what you say Proclaim and I will add that God continues to do all things through Jesus in the Heavenly Sanctuary (as Advocate, Mediator and High Priest and finally Judge) until
    his people be ready to welcome him at his coming in the clouds of heaven.

    Amen to that.

    October 6, 2020 at 12:39 am#866590
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    What is incorrect though, is that you think #2 means “The Word” is Jesus; which of course is untrue.

    So your actually still saying that he is indeed Jesus, but not the Word of God.  This is a double standard. If he has both these names then why is he only one of them?

    October 6, 2020 at 12:43 am#866591
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Do you affirm that 1 and 2 in verse Rev 20:4 are referring to different things?

    “Yes” or “No” ?

    Yes.

    In this instance I think it is more likely that this is referring to the literal word of God or message.

    October 6, 2020 at 3:53 am#866592
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    To all……Jodi and Edj,  are both right.  JESUS himself is  not the Word of God, he though the eternal  Spirit  of God, speaks the Fathers words to us.  THAT’S ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS “BELIEVE” WHAT JESUS SAID,  “the words I am telling you are “NOT” MY  WORDS”, but the words of him that sent me”.  

    That along should tell anyone,  that has any sense of truth,  that Jesus could not “himself” be the words, that he was telling us. How clearer can it  get, 

    Another simple truth,  a word,  any word,  can “ONLY” be the expression of the person who spoke it first,  GOD AND HIS WORD ARE ONE,  GOD IS A SPIRIT, AND his Spirit the was “IN” Jesus , by the Anointing he recieved at the Jordan River,  and God spoke through him by that Spirit given him, exactly like Moses and all the prophets did. It was all GOD’S WORDS THE WE’RE SPEAKING , never their Words that were speaking, but God the Fathers words .

    If you  can’t understand this basic truth ,you are completely decieved. IMO

    Peace and love to you all and yours……….gene

     

     

    October 6, 2020 at 8:40 am#866593
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi T8,
     
    “and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God” (Rev 20:4)
     
    1 for the witness of Jesus
    and
    2 for the word of God
     
    Do you affirm that 1 and 2 in verse Rev 20:4 are referring to different things?
     
    “Yes” or “No” ?

    Yes.
     
    In this instance I think it is more likely that this is referring to the literal word of God or message.

    Hi T8, Good!

    Do you therefore agree:

    A. “The Word” of God is “The Bible” (the literal word of God)
    and/or
    B. “The Word” of God is “God’s spoken word” (message)

    Are both A and B correct?

    “Yes” or “No”?

    October 6, 2020 at 8:57 am#866594
    Ed J
    Participant

    What is incorrect though, is that you think #2 means “The Word” is Jesus; which of course is untrue.

    So your actually still saying that he is indeed Jesus, but not the Word of God. This is a double standard. If he has both these names then why is he only one of them?

    Hi T8,

    Jesus does not have the name “The Word” – that is a religious fallacy.
    The “He” in Rev 19:11 (riding the white horse) is God’s HolySpirit…

    “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them
    (1)in the name of the Father, and (2)of the Son, and (3)of the HolySpirit” (Matt 28:19)

    1. the name of the Father… YeHoVaH (see Isaiah 12:2)
    2. the name of the Son… YA-shu-a (see Hebrews 4:14)
    3. the name of the HolySpirit… “The Word” (see Rev 19:11)

    You need to keep the bible story intact.
    Religious fallacy has the bible all disjointed

    “For “The Word” of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword,
    piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow,
    and (“The Word”) is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.” (Heb 4:12)

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    God bless
    Ed J

    October 6, 2020 at 9:05 am#866595
    Ed J
    Participant

    To all……Jodi and Edj, are both right. JESUS himself is not the Word of God

    Gene,

    Jodi says Jesus is called “The Word” of God, while I do not…
    …So how can you (out of “FreeWill”) say Jodi and I are both correct?

    Who do you you agree with me or Jodi?

    ______________
    God bless
    Ed J

    October 6, 2020 at 9:07 am#866596
    Berean
    Participant

    TO ALL

     

    THE TRUTH IS THAT JOHN 1

    SPEAK ABOUT THE SON OF GOD WHO

    WAS WITH GOD AND WAS GOD AND

    WAS MADE FLESH.

     

    And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

    October 6, 2020 at 9:18 am#866597
    Ed J
    Participant

    Berean,

    Compare Rev 19:13 to Isaiah Chapter 63:

    And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.” (Rev 19:13)

    “Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?
    3 I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me:
    for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury;
    and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.
    4 For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.” (Isaiah 63:2-4)

    Have you forgotten Jesus did NOT say verse 4, so none of this applies to Jesus?

    Here is what Jesus said:

    “The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me
    to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
    to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
    2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD,

    (Note: here is where Jesus stopped)
    This next part God’s HolySpirit fulfills...

    and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; (Isaiah 61:1-2)

    ____________________________________________________________________________________________

    “[To] whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine?
    them that are weaned from the milk (get their information from God’s word: The Bible),
    and drawn from the breasts. 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept;
    line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with
    stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
    12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest;
    and this is the refreshing (by God’s HolySpirit): yet they would not hear.

    13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept,
    precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little;
    that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.” (Isaiah 28:9-13)

    “But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.” (Isaiah 63:10)

    ____________
    God bless
    Ed J

    October 6, 2020 at 9:33 am#866598
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Edj….No, what  Jodi says , is the the word of God,  “became true”   as the flesh man Jesus.  Get it?,  She is not saying Jesus himself is the word of God “himself”, Jesus was and is, the “prophesied ” word of God. That “prophesied” “fulfillment “, of the, word of God which came into being as the Man Jesus, get it?

    Edj, your saying the same thing as Jodi and I are brother.

    Jesus is what the word of God “prophesied” through the Prophets, that was to come, it was a flesh,  Son of Man,  from the roots of Jesse  and from the loins of King David.

    Jesus spoke God the Fathers Words to us, not because he was the  word of God, but because God  the Fathers Spirit was showing and telling him what to say and how to say it?  HE was a “prophet” just like “Moses” was, also, doing the same thing by that same Spirit, that was in them both, as well as all the prophets, and ourselves also. “One” GOD “one” Spirit, “in all and through all”? 

    You are right and so is Jodi, you both saying the same thing EDJ.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene

    October 6, 2020 at 9:40 am#866599
    Ed J
    Participant

    Edj….No

    FALSE!

    Jodi’s quote: (post #866532)
     
    Jesus is named THE WORD OF GOD

    Jodi says: Jesus is named “The Word of God”, while I do not…
    …So how can you say Jodi and I are both correct?

    Who do you you agree with me or Jodi?

    October 6, 2020 at 9:41 am#866600
    Berean
    Participant

    THE TRUTH IS THAT JOHN 1

    SPEAK ABOUT THE SON OF GOD WHO

    WAS WITH GOD AND WAS GOD AND

    WAS MADE FLESH.

     

    And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God

    October 6, 2020 at 9:42 am#866601
    Ed J
    Participant

    Berean,

    Repeating yourself over and over do not make YOUR words to become true ???

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