Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 15 2011,03:10)Keith believes there ARE gods in scripture who are neither God Almighty nor false gods.Mike, get your facts straight.I believe there are “elohiym” that are neither God Almighty nor false gods which means they are not gods at all but according to context they are judges, rulers, men, or leaders and should…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 15 2011,10:43)Mike said:Quote I've been trying for one week now, and so far no honest and direct answer of “YES, it IS grammatically possible”.  In fact, they're stubbornly sticking with their “NO”, without showing the expert evidence of this fact that I've been asking for.Keith,I can't believe that Mike has the…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Mar. 15 2011,03:33)Mike said:Quote I won't divert until you and Keith CLEARLY ADMIT what you both know to be true – that it is GRAMMATICALLY POSSIBLE to add the indefinite article in 1:1c.TO ALL,I don't know Mike's folly to be true and I could never admit to the possibility of it.Quote Greek scholars are in general…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 14 2011,19:00)I've been trying for one week now, and so far no honest and direct answer of “YES, it IS grammatically possible”.  In fact, they're stubbornly sticking with their “NO”, without showing the expert evidence of this fact that I've been asking for.Hi MikeYour posts are becoming more full of ad hominems and chest…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Mar. 13 2011,12:44)Im just repeating what you just stated. You said “Ha logos” and “theos” are not interchangable.  MY question is why would John use non-interchangable terms to describe the beginning?DennisonThis is a very fair and good question. John could have used any other word besides “theos”.WJ

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 14 2011,17:04)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 15 2011,08:57)t8Does Jesus share or partake of Gods nature?WJWJI will let scripture answer you.We can participate in divine nature.He existed with divine nature and took on the form of a servant and being found fashioned as a man.Our lowly bodies will be transformed into a body like…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 14 2011,16:55)Now God who is the Divine has divine nature and he shares his nature so that we can partake in divine nature. So many can partake of divine nature, but only one is the Divine.t8Does Jesus share or partake of Gods nature?WJ

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 14 2011,16:39)Remember the difference between identity and nature/quality.Yes t8But you haven't given us an example of “identifying” anything or anyone without identifying their nature have you?How do you know a dog is a dog t8? When you can answer that then you will understand.See how simple that is. Why do you keep creating…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 14 2011,16:31)If he is divine in nature and if he has equality in nature, it still doesn't make him God.Really? Spin, spin spin. For example; please explain how a human son can not be human like his Father in nature?You know this and you are just sticking your head in the sand and playing word games. You have admitted Jesus is God…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 14 2011,16:28)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 15 2011,05:04)Now, since Jesus sits in the Throne of God and having the rule of God by having all authority and power, and since all things are upheld by the Word of his (Jesus) power (Heb 1:3) and that by him all things consist (Col 1:17) and come from him to us, then please explain to…[Read more]

Here is some information about the divinity of Christ in relation to “false gods”…The greatest and self-standing proof of Christ's divinity is His resurrection from the dead, and yet, on that very day, Our Blessed Lord took time to explain to two of His disciples on the road to Emmaus the fulfillment of the Jewish Scriptures: “And beginning at…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 12 2011,21:06)No Keith.  Jehovah is the God of gods.Really, so the “gods” are God?Is satan of God? Is God satans God, or has he chosen to be an enemy of God?No Mike it is more like he is the God over the gods, that are not gods at all but rather judges, rulers, idols, or leaders,  depending on context.Remember Paul said t…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 12 2011,21:06)If someone was to say Jesus was their god back then, it wouldn't have automatically meant he was God Almighty.  If I say it today, it does automatically, to most people, mean he is God Almighty.MikeReally? Says who Mike? What about history including the reformation? They were all Trinitarians. You need to…[Read more]

BTW t8Since you are insisting that Jesus is like other “gods” when the word “theos” or “elohiym” is referred to Jesus, then let us hear you confession that Jesus is “your god”!Is Jesus your god t8?  If not, why not?You call satan “the God” of this world yet you can't say that Jesus is your “god”?Doesn't that seem strange and a little hypocritical…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 13 2011,17:14)Ask yourself the reason for giving others “the title, “theos” and “elohim” that are not obviously God.Highlights are mine but thanks t8 for admitting that because someone is called by the title “elohiym” or “Theos” that they are not “obviously God”.So in other words it should be translated as such. It should be…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 08 2011,18:35)The more you look at it WJ, the more that the Trinity Doctrine looks and smells like a Catholic doctrine that is designed to get you aligned to it, thereby making the Catholic Church the father of your faith, if indeed the Trinity Doctrine is your faith and creed.Another straw man being burnt to the ground.t8 Do you…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 08 2011,18:35)Even some (honest) Trinitarians admit that it is qualitative.Yes t8But no Trinitarian says that he is “less God” qualitatively do they?”Those that are “honest” would admit that the word “God” in John 1:1c qualitatively says the Word is everything that God is?”“The “DISHONEST” make the claim that the Word in John 1:1c…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 13 2011,21:27)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 12 2011,12:13)Exactly MikeWhich means that she is a “Judge” and not a “god” or else the Hebrews would have called them “their God” and not “their Judge”, man you are dense.Really Keith?I wasn't aware that the Hebrews used different forms of “elohim” to distinguish between the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 13 2011,22:38)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 12 2011,12:47)MikeI am using Strongs…Strong's G3439 – monogenēs 1) single of its kind, onlya) used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)b) used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of GodFound Here!No Keith,What you're using is a compliation of…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 10 2011,21:01)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 10 2011,16:16)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 09 2011,20:37)I told you very clearly that I mistaken posted “THE” true god, when I MEANT, and should have posted, “A” true god.Oh I see, so you believe Jesus is “a god” which means he is another god and that is the definition of a…[Read more]